Changing Shoes

JohnnyCrash

Hi guys,not looking for medical advice.Recently had gait done professionally after having it done twice in different high st shops.Upshot is im neutral and not an over pronator as was told previously.Got neutral shoes,took them for a handy 3 miles wed night without any probs and set about doing the same last night. 1 mile in,had to pull up,hobble home and spent about an hour in excruciating pain(shins,ankles) before it eased(RICE).Has anyone encountered this when changing to a different type of shoe? Is it that i've become accustomed to the support in the other shoes and just need to ease into the neutral shoes? Cheers in advance

donothoponpop

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Hi guys,not looking for medical advice.Recently had gait done professionally after having it done twice in different high st shops.Upshot is im neutral and not an over pronator as was told previously.Got neutral shoes,took them for a handy 3 miles wed night without any probs and set about doing the same last night. 1 mile in,had to pull up,hobble home and spent about an hour in excruciating pain(shins,ankles) before it eased(RICE).Has anyone encountered this when changing to a different type of shoe? Is it that i've become accustomed to the support in the other shoes and just need to ease into the neutral shoes? Cheers in advance

That doesn't sound right at all- you shouldn't have to "ease" into shoes with this sort of pain. In fact, matching the correct shoe to your gait is supposed to correct this. What was the difference in getting your gait tested professionally?

dahat

Maybe it is not shoe related and you just hurt yourself?
Any bruising or the like since?

JohnnyCrash

donothoponpop wrote: »

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Hi guys,not looking for medical advice.Recently had gait done professionally after having it done twice in different high st shops.Upshot is im neutral and not an over pronator as was told previously.Got neutral shoes,took them for a handy 3 miles wed night without any probs and set about doing the same last night. 1 mile in,had to pull up,hobble home and spent about an hour in excruciating pain(shins,ankles) before it eased(RICE).Has anyone encountered this when changing to a different type of shoe? Is it that i've become accustomed to the support in the other shoes and just need to ease into the neutral shoes? Cheers in advance

That doesn't sound right at all- you shouldn't have to "ease" into shoes with this sort of pain. In fact, matching the correct shoe to your gait is supposed to correct this. What was the difference in getting your gait tested professionally?

Idont understand your question.

donothoponpop

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Idont understand your question.

You say you changed to neutral shoes based on gait analysis which you had professionally done, having previously been advised you were a pronator based on highstreet gait analysis. Now you are experiencing severe leg pains, something not usually experienced if in a correct shoe.

What was done different in your professional analysis that convinced you to move to a neutral shoe? I haven't seen what sort of gait analysis you undertook, but obviously the initial suspicion falls on incorrect shoes.

JohnnyCrash

donothoponpop wrote: »

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Idont understand your question.

You say you changed to neutral shoes based on gait analysis which you had professionally done, having previously been advised you were a pronator based on highstreet gait analysis. Now you are experiencing severe leg pains, something not usually experienced if in a correct shoe.

What was done different in your professional analysis that convinced you to move to a neutral shoe? I haven't seen what sort of gait analysis you undertook, but obviously the initial suspicion falls on incorrect shoes.

First of all it was done by a physio who was very thorough,not your usual 10 secs go on a treadmill and then get your result fom a young one who more than likely hadnt a clue what she was on about.I had my feet scanned,had my posture checked,had my legs checked for length discrepency,had a run oth barefoot and in shoes whilst being watched.As you can see,pretty comprehensive.

thirstywork2

Best advise would be go back to where you purchased the shoes and ask them.They are qualified physio's as you said

JohnnyCrash

thirstywork2 wrote: »

Best advise would be go back to where you purchased the shoes and ask them.They are qualified physio's as you said

I simply asked if anyone had experienced the same when making the transition. I thought maybe it could be something to do with the fact that ive been wearing a stability shoe for the last 6 mths and now maybe my form needs to be retrained or something like that?

RacoonQueen

Why do you assume that because they did more flashy things with you that their analysis was right? Just because someone has a nice degree, it doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're talking about.

Are you sure it's a neutral shoe you're wearing? Did the physio recommend a specific shoe?

captain P

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

I simply asked if anyone had experienced the same when making the transition. I thought maybe it could be something to do with the fact that ive been wearing a stability shoe for the last 6 mths and now maybe my form needs to be retrained or something like that?

I went from supportive shoes to neutral lightweight ones and found I had less injuries/niggles and they didn't need any "breaking in".

I'd do what the above posters said and go back and ask where you got them.

RacoonQueen

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

I simply asked if anyone had experienced the same when making the transition. I thought maybe it could be something to do with the fact that ive been wearing a stability shoe for the last 6 mths and now maybe my form needs to be retrained or something like that?

People are responding to say that it's a strange symptom for a change in shoes, especially if you've moved from the wrong type of shoe to the correct type of shoe. Bring them back or go to the physio who did your gait analysis and have your gait checked while running in your new shoes and see what they say.

donothoponpop

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

First of all it was done by a physio who was very thorough,not your usual 10 secs go on a treadmill and then get your result fom a young one who more than likely hadnt a clue what she was on about.I had my feet scanned,had my posture checked,had my legs checked for length discrepency,had a run oth barefoot and in shoes whilst being watched.As you can see,pretty comprehensive.

Were you experiencing any gait-related difficulties from your initial support shoes? Because, to be honest, it sounds very like you were recommended the incorrect type of shoe. There shouldn't be any "bedding-in" pain while going from the wrong shoes to the right ones.

I was in neutral shoes when I first started jogging, and experienced shin and ankle pain. Once I got gait analysis done (video slo-mo in Amphibian King), the pain disappeared, as soon as I ran in the correct support shoes. That's how it should be- what you appear to be describing is this process in reverse. I'd also suggest going back to your physio again, and bring the new shoes with you.

JohnnyCrash

RacoonQueen wrote: »

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

I simply asked if anyone had experienced the same when making the transition. I thought maybe it could be something to do with the fact that ive been wearing a stability shoe for the last 6 mths and now maybe my form needs to be retrained or something like that?

People are responding to say that it's a strange symptom for a change in shoes, especially if you've moved from the wrong type of shoe to the correct type of shoe. Bring them back or go to the physio who did your gait analysis and have your gait checked while running in your new shoes and see what they say.

If y

Why do people on here recommend the likes of amphibian king etc over elverys etc??? The shop where i had gait is a specialised running shop/physio,run by physios who run. One is an ironman,another is a sub 30 10k runner,so I would like to think they know what they are at.

JohnnyCrash

donothoponpop wrote: »

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

First of all it was done by a physio who was very thorough,not your usual 10 secs go on a treadmill and then get your result fom a young one who more than likely hadnt a clue what she was on about.I had my feet scanned,had my posture checked,had my legs checked for length discrepency,had a run oth barefoot and in shoes whilst being watched.As you can see,pretty comprehensive.

Were you experiencing any gait-related difficulties from your initial support shoes? Because, to be honest, it sounds very like you were recommended the incorrect type of shoe. There shouldn't be any "bedding-in" pain while going from the wrong shoes to the right ones.

I was in neutral shoes when I first started jogging, and experienced shin and ankle pain. Once I got gait analysis done (video slo-mo in Amphibian King), the pain disappeared, as soon as I ran in the correct support shoes. That's how it should be- what you appear to be describing is this process in reverse. I'd also suggest going back to your physio again, and bring the new shoes with you.

The main reason i had gait redone was because i was very seldom pain free running. Should i give the new shoes time ot should it be pretty instant as you say?

donothoponpop

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

The main reason i had gait redone was because i was very seldom pain free running. Should i give the new shoes time ot should it be pretty instant as you say?

In general, correcting someone's gait should be pretty instant.

If someone was experiencing a lot of pain due to over-pronation (lets say they had damaged their knees), then they might still suffer from sore knees the first few times they ran in new shoes suited for pronators (the correct shoe will correct the gait and stop stress on the knees, so the pain should go away). But they shouldn't start experiencing severe pain in new areas, as you seem to describe. If you trust your guys, and they are physio's, I'm sure they'll give you their professional opinion.

RayCun

When I started wearing Brooks Glycerins the first few long runs were uncomfortable - my calves felt tight, I stopped to stretch a couple of times, my arches gave me some trouble - but I got used to them soon enough. But I didn't have the kind of pain you're talking about.

RacoonQueen

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

If y

Why do people on here recommend the likes of amphibian king etc over elverys etc??? The shop where i had gait is a specialised running shop/physio,run by physios who run. One is an ironman,another is a sub 30 10k runner,so I would like to think they know what they are at.

Just because someone is a good runner or is an ironman athlete, it doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. There's plenty of great athletes on here who regularly ask about shoes because they haven't a clue.

I know two of the guys who work in AK and they really know their stuff about shoes, sometimes they get it wrong, I'm sure they'll admit that themselves. Maybe you're the one in twenty that your shop got wrong. It happens, maybe they just made a mistake. You shouldn't be experiencing the sort of pain you describe if you are wearing the correct shoes(unless there is some other issue).

Bring them back and tell them about the issues you've had. I'm sure they'll have no problem reassesing you.

A0

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Hi guys,not looking for medical advice.Recently had gait done professionally after having it done twice in different high st shops.Upshot is im neutral and not an over pronator as was told previously.Got neutral shoes,took them for a handy 3 miles wed night without any probs and set about doing the same last night. 1 mile in,had to pull up,hobble home and spent about an hour in excruciating pain(shins,ankles) before it eased(RICE).Has anyone encountered this when changing to a different type of shoe? Is it that i've become accustomed to the support in the other shoes and just need to ease into the neutral shoes? Cheers in advance

To answer your question, yes, a change in shoes caused some pain in my case. It's not exactly the same problem but... I usually run in Asics (2160; DS trainers...). I recently bought neutral shoes and run in them every now and then. I want to do more forefoot runs and have my feet "more free" when running (just to change, strengthen my calves and feet muscles). So since I run in them I have some pain near my heels (where the arch insert, i.e., plantar fascia).

TFBubendorfer

To be honest, I think you are all barking up the wrong tree.

I have always been wearing neutral shoes, with one exception when I got a pair of supporting shoes. That was years ago and back then I didn't even know there were different kind of shoes. Anyway, that particular pair never felt comfortable and eventually I realised that all my previous shoes had been neutral and that one wasn't.

But that's it - they always felt a little bit wrong and I still ran almost 500 miles in them without any real issues. I find it very hard to believe that one mile in the wrong kind of shoes could cause the pain the OP described in the original post.

tunney

RayCun wrote: »

When I started wearing Brooks Glycerins the first few long runs were uncomfortable - my calves felt tight, I stopped to stretch a couple of times, my arches gave me some trouble - but I got used to them soon enough. But I didn't have the kind of pain you're talking about.

I suspect that this was more of a case of going from a high ramp shoe to a low ramp shoe. Not changing support style.

tunney

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

To be honest, I think you are all barking up the wrong tree.

I have always been wearing neutral shoes, with one exception when I got a pair of supporting shoes. That was years ago and back then I didn't even know there were different kind of shoes. Anyway, that particular pair never felt comfortable and eventually I realised that all my previous shoes had been neutral and that one wasn't.

But that's it - they always felt a little bit wrong and I still ran almost 500 miles in them without any real issues. I find it very hard to believe that one mile in the wrong kind of shoes could cause the pain the OP described in the original post.

A mile in a shoe designed for severe over pronators would have me crippled.

b.harte

I got video gait analysis done earlier this year in a reputable running specialist store in cork.
I was given the option of 3 shoes based on the video which clearly showed my over pronation.
I was offered Nike Lunar-glides, Asics 2160 and Asics gel1160 ( I was coming from a pair of these already.)
The nice chap in the shop even showed me the fancy video playback, complete with computer generated lines showing my foot in action, oh..shiny.(I like shiny)
Anyway, given the increase in distances I was planning I was recommended the GT2160.
I tried them on the treadmill and they felt so wrong, I felt that my right foot was being snapped into position, the shop guy said this was the guidance system in the shoe doing what it was meant to do, and who am I to argue?
I bought them, took them home and the next day went for a run, a very short run of about 750mtrs before I had excruciating pain in my right ankle.
The TLDR; version is that the GT2160 were too supportive / stable / guiding for my right foot, but fine on my left (which I fractured many, many years ago and is the worst for over-pronation).
I ended up going back for a pair of Ascis1160, same as I had before and have just rotated them out after 700km (without my toe poking through the mesh!)
I since gone for the nike pegasus 28, (found the lunar glide 3 weird on my left foot) even if they are ,on paper at least, a more neutral shoe, I'm currently running between 40 and 50km a week in these and have no problems so far (270ish km).
I think what I'm saying is that gait analysis is all fine and dandy, some folk are better than others and some people, no matter how good may make mistakes.
But, they can't run in your feet, only you can tell how a shoe feels, and my opinion, based on my own limited experience is that if a shoe feels wrong, hurts and injures you it is most definitely the wrong shoe, irrespective of what advice you were given.
Bring back the shoes and explain to the physio what sort of pain and where you are having it.
Also, a few people who have answered are logging thousands of km every year, I would rate their advice far higher than any bit of paper.

JohnnyCrash

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Why do you assume that because they did more flashy things with you that their analysis was right? Just because someone has a nice degree, it doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're talking about.

Are you sure it's a neutral shoe you're wearing? Did the physio recommend a specific shoe?[/QUOTE]
I got Saucony Triumph 8's Neutral and no,was'nt recommended a specific shoe as in brand.Had a few different options and these felt the best

JohnnyCrash

tunney wrote: »

I suspect that this was more of a case of going from a high ramp shoe to a low ramp shoe. Not changing support style.

The main shoe I would have been using were Lunarglide 3's. The new shoes are Saucony Triumph 8's so I dont really know if theres much of a diff????

tunney

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

The main shoe I would have been using were Lunarglide 3's. The new shoes are Saucony Triumph 8's so I dont really know if theres much of a diff????

My comment was in relation to RayCun's description of calf pain.

RacoonQueen

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

The main shoe I would have been using were Lunarglide 3's. The new shoes are Saucony Triumph 8's so I dont really know if theres much of a diff????

Lunarglide 3's are mild support shoes really and triumph are completely neutral. Were you having any problems with the lunarglides? I think lunarglides and triumph 8 are actually quite similar heel wise, if anything you'd probably be going to a higher ramp shoe by changing from lunarglides to triumph.

Your best option really is get the physio to watch you run in the new shoes to see if it is the shoes causing the problem. Sometimes one neutral shoe might cause your problems while another one might be perfect. You might not need the amount of cushioning in a triumph.

JohnnyCrash

RacoonQueen wrote: »

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

The main shoe I would have been using were Lunarglide 3's. The new shoes are Saucony Triumph 8's so I dont really know if theres much of a diff????

Lunarglide 3's are mild support shoes really and triumph are completely neutral. Were you having any problems with the lunarglides? I think lunarglides and triumph 8 are actually quite similar heel wise, if anything you'd probably be going to a higher ramp shoe by changing from lunarglides to triumph.

Your best option really is get the physio to watch you run in the new shoes to see if it is the shoes causing the problem. Sometimes one neutral shoe might cause your problems while another one might be perfect. You might not need the amount of cushioning in a triumph.

As i said in a previous post.seldom if ever ran totally pain free. Thats why i went to get another opinion. I had a sneaking suspicion myself that i wasnt an over pronator,hindsight and all that. When i got the shoes,i ran in the shop and it was still noted that i was as neutral as you can get. On the cushioning aspect,id find the glides far more cushioned than the triumphs

griffin100

When I started running I ended up in Lifestyle Sports as you do when you know no better and asked for running shoes. Luckily enough the person in the shop was a runner who knew a little and she suggested Nike Pegasus as they were neutral and had good cushioning (important when you're 16.5 stone ). Roll on a few months of running and reading ART and off I went to AK for a gait analysis. Was told I was a pronator was recommended Mizzuno waveinspire - long story short they almost crippled me with severe knee pain. Physio diagnosed cartilage damage on the assumption that the shoes were right for me as I'd had a gait analysis done. Nothing was fixing the pain until I went back to my old shoes and the pain disappeared overnight. Still wearing Nike Pegasus today. Moral of the story, gait analysis ain't always everything it's cracked up to be.