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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Saturday: 10 miles @ 7.30 pace

    Knew I was heading out on Saturday night so in a rare moment of clever thinking I decided to get my long run out of the way on Saturday instead. Was quite warm but I fell into a good rhythm from the start and was ticking along nicely until the last two miles or so where the hard session of 400's from the night before started to catch up on me. The legs got very heavy and I was glad to get done.

    Sunday: 5.5 miles easy

    Then today, hangover in tow I got out for 5.5 miles. Took it very easy and was the perfect way to sweat out the previous nights excesses. Overall a pretty good week, despite the scare with the knee midweek. Got two good sessions done and got the mileage up a bit, just have to try and repeat this for the next few weeks and might get into some semblance of shape for my first Graded meet on the 15th.


  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭madon


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Today: Session 6x1 mile @ 10k pace off 2 mins recovery
    Splits: 6.12, 6.04, 6.07, 6.04, 6.02, 5.51

    Okay so thats how you do them properly!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    madon wrote: »
    Okay so thats how you do them properly!

    Ha, don't worry about it, it's all relative. A friend of mine was doing doing the same session at the same time as us and ran about a minute a mile faster than we did for each rep!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Monday: Rest

    Tuesday: 6 miles steady


    Decided to run this a bit faster than my usual easy pace, I've noticed some runners do a lot of steady running in place of easy running so I'm going to add one steady day a week. Pace was probably a bit too slow to be called steady, around 7 minute miles but that should improve over the weeks.

    Wednesday

    Bit of a disaster of a session tonight. Plan was 4 mile tempo but my stomach was in a jock all day and I knew it was going to cause problems. Instead I did

    2 mile tempo, 2 mins jog, 1 mile tempo, 90 secs jog, .5 mile tempo.

    The breaks weren't planned but unfortunately necessary, not a complete disaster but probably not that beneficial and would have liked to get the full 4 mile done. Pace was a bit off as well, barely keeping it under 6.20 pace. Finished off with two good 150's in about 23 secs then just to give the legs a turn off speed. Racing at the weekend so have an short, easy session of 200's planned for Friday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭belcarra


    Hey P, I wouldn't right off the session as much as you did.
    When training at Tempo it's about the accumulation of distance @ tempo speed rather than pushing the effort/pace.
    From bits I've read this can come in intervals or as a single run but they are both pretty similar in terms of benefit to you.
    OK so you missed out on 0.5 mile but that's no biggie - just push the distance by an extra half mile next time!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    belcarra wrote: »
    Hey P, I wouldn't right off the session as much as you did.
    When training at Tempo it's about the accumulation of distance @ tempo speed rather than pushing the effort/pace.
    From bits I've read this can come in intervals or as a single run but they are both pretty similar in terms of benefit to you.
    OK so you missed out on 0.5 mile but that's no biggie - just push the distance by an extra half mile next time!

    Thanks belcarra, that's great info to know. You know what us runners are like though, we get a figure in our head that we want to achieve and anything else is a failure! Stubborn is the word!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Oregano_State


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Thanks belcarra, that's great info to know. You know what us runners are like though, we get a figure in our head that we want to achieve and anything else is a failure! Stubborn is the word!

    so true!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Thurs: 6 miles @ 7.30 pace roughly

    Friday: Easy session 6x200m

    Splits: 30, 31, 32, 32, 31, 29


    Nice run on Thursday, after a slow first mile I was ticking away nicely at 7.20 pace, be grand!

    Then today I went to the track after work and did a very light session just to keep the legs ticking over before the race on Sunday. Wanted to make it somewhat specific to my track training so did a few reps at what was supposed to be my 800m pace. I felt good during these but there is no way I am a sub 2.10 runner at the minute but found it hard to keep the pace down as I was only doing a few reps. Took about 90 secs recovery jogging between these. The conditions were awful, a howling gale and the rain was biblical, I was like a drowned rat at the end and cut my cool down short after half a mile as I was freezing. Nothing like Irish summer weather. :rolleyes:

    Not looking forward to this race on Sunday, it's a pretty awful route with lots of hills so there will a lot of work to be done to get around in a decent time. Only for it's doubling as the Louth road race champs and I want to support the local club I'd be giving it a miss. Will do a short jog tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Saturday: 3.5 miles very easy

    Sunday: Boyne 10k


    Out for the Boyne 10k today and the Louth 10k road champs. Between injury and illness we only just managed to scrape a mens team together. Was quite warm and I was unsure about the course, heard rumours of a tough hill around the 7k mark.
    Off we went and I managed to hold back as people streamed by me, I knew it was going to be a tough race and didn't want to blow it at the start. Despite the 1,600 strong field I found myself on my own after 1k but was soon joined by a large group of DDAC runners and I settled into the group. Kept the pace steady over the undulations in the first half, was quite windy at times and I tried to shelter in the group although the guys weren't too keen on letting me sit behind them as I was the competition! Got to 5k and someone called out 19 mins dead, about where I wanted to be.

    The work was starting now though and after 6k a few guys fell away and I was barely hanging on. Round the corner at 7k and we are facing the hill, Jesus. Just to state, I am terrible at running up hills and the pace dropped here and I was immediately dropped by the group. Rounded a corner and I thought that was it but it kept going and I was suffering. This hill went on for over a kilometer and I recorded an embarrassing 7.09 mile split here. :o I wasn't being passed though as it seemed everyone was hurting. After the 8k mark we finally reached the summit of the hill and there was a long downhill. I tried to stride out here and got the pace back down but the quads were fried from the hills. Onto the river bank and 1k to go I tried to push on but there was no one in front or behind so I trundled on until I got a shout from the coach which gave me a kick of the arse and I crossed the line in a very average 39.38

    Not too disappointed with the result given the toughness of the course but I was annoyed that I got dropped by the entire group on the hill, I really suck at running uphills and need to look at that. Also a bit disappointed that a friend of mine who would be around the same level finished a full minute ahead of me, not sure what happened there. I suppose the truth is I'm not really training for 10k's at the minute and my mileage is pretty low so I shouldn't really be expecting more. The hill cost me at least a minute, there is a local 10k near me at the end of June so I will give that a lash and I think I can run 37:XX. Unfortunately we came only got fourth team in the champs, North East Runners cleared up with first and second team, for a bunch of aul lads they know how to run!! :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭RunningKing


    Hills and wind........who needs 'em!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Hills and wind........who needs 'em!

    I know, we've both been victim to it this weekend! That's why I'm going back to the track, at least it eliminates the hills! :pac:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Sounds like it was a tough course from reports I've heard. Kind of glad I couldn't make it now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭Kurt Godel


    pconn062 wrote: »
    I was annoyed that I got dropped by the entire group on the hill, I really suck at running uphills and need to look at that.

    Some useful things you can do to improve on hills are (in order of value):
    1) Train on hills (2&3 will follow);
    2) Lose weight (skinny guys do hills better);
    3) Baby steps (and high cadence) going up. Always keep the breathing under control (if you start gasping going uphill you're finished, better to slow a little and control the breathing). Use your upper body to help forward momentum, swing your arms. A general rule is keep the same effort going up as you would running flat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Sounds like it was a tough course from reports I've heard. Kind of glad I couldn't make it now.

    Was a tough one all right, not a PB course anyway. Should be back to the usual course for next year I believe.
    Kurt Godel wrote: »
    Some useful things you can do to improve on hills are (in order of value):
    1) Train on hills (2&3 will follow);
    2) Lose weight (skinny guys do hills better);
    3) Baby steps (and high cadence) going up. Always keep the breathing under control (if you start gasping going uphill you're finished, better to slow a little and control the breathing). Use your upper body to help forward momentum, swing your arms. A general rule is keep the same effort going up as you would running flat.

    Thanks Kurt, good advice. I don't live in a particularly hilly area so there are no major hills on my everyday runs. I'm training for track at the minute but hope to include weekly hill sessions towards the end of the summer for cross country. Weight is definitely not an issue, I'm 5'10 and 10 and half stone (just). But your last point is very interesting, I have no technique for running uphill (unless trundling to the top is a technique!) so will try out your ideas the next time I'm on a hilly course. Today my legs just went dead and like you said my breathing went mental and I was fried!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭ThePiedPiper


    PConn, you would've ran a very decent mid 38 time yesterday if not for the uphill. My mile split for the hilly mile was 6:20 so as you say, 7.10 really was well out of sync.

    My uphill technique is to shorten the stride, increase the leg turnover, get up on my toes, and in race situation, I definitely increase the effort levels. Can only afford to significantly increase the effort levels if I know that there's a downhill section after cresting the hill to recover.

    But I think this is only working for me due to every single run I ever do having the hills back up to the house here. Get your ar$e over here every so often, especially if it looks like there's a hilly race coming up.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭madon


    pconn062 wrote: »


    Thanks Kurt, good advice. I don't live in a particularly hilly area so there are no major hills on my everyday runs.

    :eek: You need to start doing hill reps up castlecoe!
    Well done on the run yesterday even if it was just good for getting you motivated for the next one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭ThePiedPiper


    I was going to say something about your "everyday runs"... Best leave that one out of it! :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    I was going to say something about your "everyday runs"... Best leave that one out of it! :-)

    I was going to say thanks for your helpful comment about hill running but now you can go fcuk yourself! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    madon wrote: »
    :eek: You need to start doing hill reps up castlecoe!
    Well done on the run yesterday even if it was just good for getting you motivated for the next one.

    Thanks madon, well done yourself, tough old day. I usually held the opposite direction towards the beach so maybe I need to start heading up castlecoe direction!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭NiallG4


    "North East Runners cleared up with first and second team, for a bunch of aul lads they know how to run!!" (ouch)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    NiallG4 wrote: »
    "North East Runners cleared up with first and second team, for a bunch of aul lads they know how to run!!" (ouch)

    Very much tongue in cheek Niall, I assure you! Wish I could run like you guys can, didn't see you there, how'd ya get on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭NiallG4


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Very much tongue in cheek Niall, I assure you! Wish I could run like you guys can, didn't see you there, how'd ya get on?

    I was there alright. 36.19. Happy enough. I am only getting back in shape now. I have very little strenght training done and this was a tough 10K. It was uphill with wind in our faces until 2K and then gradually uphill from 5k to 7K where the hill really was cruel. I thought I entered an IMRA race when I got halfway up the hill. All roads are leading to Dunshaughlin 10K now for me. 34.45 is the target. All the boys in the club were a minute at least off where I would expect them for a 10K now so I think we can forget Boyne 10K until next year when the hill disappears. One guy ran 16.16 in the PK5K and 35.3x on Sunday and that does not tally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    NiallG4 wrote: »
    I was there alright. 36.19. Happy enough. I am only getting back in shape now. I have very little strenght training done and this was a tough 10K. It was uphill with wind in our faces until 2K and then gradually uphill from 5k to 7K where the hill really was cruel. I thought I entered an IMRA race when I got halfway up the hill. All roads are leading to Dunshaughlin 10K now for me. 34.45 is the target. All the boys in the club were a minute at least off where I would expect them for a 10K now so I think we can forget Boyne 10K until next year when the hill disappears. One guy ran 16.16 in the PK5K and 35.3x on Sunday and that does not tally.

    That's a cracking time on that course, was such a tough one, I was hoping to sneak under 38 but the hill killed me, lost a full minute on it. I missed 10 days training with my knee a few weeks ago and still only getting back so am happy enough considering that. Dunshaughlin will be a good one alright, sub 35 is great running. I'm doing track for the next while but might give my local 10k in Clogherhead a bash at the end of June, good course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭NiallG4


    pconn062 wrote: »
    That's a cracking time on that course, was such a tough one, I was hoping to sneak under 38 but the hill killed me, lost a full minute on it. I missed 10 days training with my knee a few weeks ago and still only getting back so am happy enough considering that. Dunshaughlin will be a good one alright, sub 35 is great running. I'm doing track for the next while but might give my local 10k in Clogherhead a bash at the end of June, good course.

    You better stay off the Tallght 5K forum then. Only 100 people turned up at their race yesterday and the whole "club race v commercial race" debate is going on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    NiallG4 wrote: »
    You better stay off the Tallght 5K forum then. Only 100 people turned up at their race yesterday and the whole "club race v commercial race" debate is going on.

    I know, I would usually always support club races but this one is right on my doorstep, I can jog to the start line from my house and I know the course inside out and is a good PB course so might give it a bash. Too many races these days is the problem, the clubs runners need to stick together I agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    pconn062 wrote: »
    I'm doing track for the next while but might give my local 10k in Clogherhead a bash at the end of June, good course.

    It's hard to do both mile and 10K distances properly - IMO.
    You can do both but you may need to prioritise one over the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    dna_leri wrote: »
    It's hard to do both mile and 10K distances properly - IMO.
    You can do both but you may need to prioritise one over the other.

    Thanks DL, I totally agree. The 1500m training is the priority, the 10k will simply be a bit of fun. It's on a Sunday so I will probably just tack on a mile or two before and after and treat it like a long run. I won't be compromising any of my sessions in order to do it and won't be disappointed if the time is only average. I'm treating it more like a social occasion with friends and family! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Monday: Rest

    Tuesday: 7 miles steady around 7 minute pace


    Legs were fried on Monday after the hills and I tried to do a few squats when doing my core workout on Monday night but it wasn't happening! The hills really chewed me up and spat me out.

    Felt better on Tuesday and trying to keep up with my tradition of including 1 steady run a week I picked up the pace on this run and felt great. It was an awesome day for running, not to get too poetic but it was the first real warm day. The sun was shining, the tide was in and the air was full of the smells of flowers and the sea, it was a pleasure to be out.

    Wednesday: 4 mile with 3k race

    My club out together a 3k race in the unusual venue of a go-karting track and I got roped into doing it. Had some kilometer repeats planned for tonight so thought this would be an OK replacement and I tacked on a few 200m repeats at the end. My first thought was at least it will be flat, WRONG! A very testy lap which we had to undertake 3 times accompanied by a challenging headwind. Lined up and one guy shot off with myself, my bro and a friend of mine following. We didn't take it too seriously and kept the pace steady until the last lap when the bro tried to shoot off and I couldn't be having that! The ego won over and I chased after him, pipping him before the line to take second place. Not sure of time but it was slow, a little over 11 minutes I think. Still with the 200's as well it was a good workout and it could be a good place for future hill training. Have a good session of 200/300's planned for Friday which I'm looking forward to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Finding it hard to feel the love for running at the minute, the weather is just so poor it's putting me off, still getting out out which is the important thing I suppose.

    Thursday: 7 miles easy

    Was sitting in the house looking out the window waiting for a break in the showers. A big one just passed and I could see blue skies so out I went. Was three miles in when the heavens opened. I got absolutely soaked straight away and the rain poured down for the next four miles. I was like a drowned rat when I got home, with stage 1 hypothermia and clothes that weighted half a kilo more that they did before I went out. Typical Irish summer weather so.

    Friday: 4.5 miles easy

    Had my session planned for tonight but when I got to the track the Louth junior T+F champs were on so I couldn't use it so only had time for this by the time I got home.

    Saturday:

    Session: 8x300m @1500m pace with 60 secs recovery, 4 mins rest, 4x200m @ 800m pace with 75 secs recovery

    Splits: 56, 56, 55, 55, 55, 56, 55, 55, 33, 33, 36, 33


    So I headed into the track today to get my abandoned session done. Without sounding like a broken record the conditions were pretty bad, a very strong wind down the back straight that I had to run into for the first 120m and occasional heavy showers. The target for the 300's was 55/56 which equates to 74 seconds for 400m and I was pretty bang on. Was tough with only the short recovery and the headwind and I probably should have adjusted the effort level a bit. After the eight one I was glad to have them done and changed into my spikes during the 4 mins rest. This was probably the toughest part of the session, my hands were numb and the wind was blowing my spikes all over the place every time I put them down!!
    So slightly flustered I launched into the 200's, I think if I was to run an 800m today I would be between 2.12-16 so was aiming for about 33/34. Again kept them fairly even, don't know what happened on the third one, I think I started my watch a second too early but must have lost a bit of concentration as well, got it back for the last one though. Only meant to take 60 secs recovery but that would have meant starting every second one from the finish line and running into the headwind for the whole thing and I couldn't face that so jogged each time back to the 200m mark which took about 75 seconds.

    So that's the first proper track session done, happy with how it went given the inclement conditions, although it's very likely to be raining and windy when I race so probably not a bad thing to be training in it. Running the 1500m at the Graded meets next week so will see how that goes, long run tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭ThePiedPiper


    What time you long running tomorrow? Wouldn't mind getting out for a few miles. Afternoon might suit me best..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    The weather is definitely a bit of an irritant these days. I suffered through it a lot when the marathon was on the horizon but I'm happy enough to gaze out the window at it these evenings when I've no races on the agenda. You're hitting some very good track sessions these days regardless so you'll be well set up for the meets over the summer. This windy weather can't last forever. I hope;).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    The weather is definitely a bit of an irritant these days. I suffered through it a lot when the marathon was on the horizon but I'm happy enough to gaze out the window at it these evenings when I've no races on the agenda. You're hitting some very good track sessions these days regardless so you'll be well set up for the meets over the summer. This windy weather can't last forever. I hope;).

    Jeez I hope so too man, I'm on the verge of emigrating here if it gets any worse! :) Are you running graded meets on Wednesday?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Jeez I hope so too man, I'm on the verge of emigrating here if it gets any worse! :) Are you running graded meets on Wednesday?

    I might do. I'm all about the ten round numbers thread these days and unfortunately none of these are represented on Wednesday nights schedule. Well, the 10k is there but I don't fancy being lapped multiple times. I don't think it would be a recipe for a good time. The 1500m would be great preparation for the mile and give me an idea of what time to aim for so I'll probably pop out and run this. I'm very close to Santry and it's cheap to enter so I've no excuses not to go. Will you be running yourself? Would it be just the 1500m that you would be racing as well?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    I might do. I'm all about the ten round numbers thread these days and unfortunately none of these are represented on Wednesday nights schedule. Well, the 10k is there but I don't fancy being lapped multiple times. I don't think it would be a recipe for a good time. The 1500m would be great preparation for the mile and give me an idea of what time to aim for so I'll probably pop out and run this. I'm very close to Santry and it's cheap to enter so I've no excuses not to go. Will you be running yourself? Would it be just the 1500m that you would be racing as well?

    Yes I'm running alright, down for the 1500m only, had a look at previous results and I'll prob be in the D grade. The 1500m would be a great indicator for the mile, I'd say you could jump into the C or B grade, you would be well under 5 minutes for the mile. I'll be in the D grade with a Dunleer AC singlet, glasses and beard, give me a shout if you see me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Today: 11 miles @ 7.50 pace

    I thought I had put the under armour gear and gloves away for the foreseeable future but unfortunately not and I had to dig them out again this morning. Was tired from the get go and this affected the pace, found it hard to get going and the wind was tough enough in places especially on the up hill drags, could still feel yesterdays session in the legs. Slogged through it though, my longest run in a few weeks. A decent week overall, mileage is up a bit and got a good session done yesterday, looking forward to the race on Wednesday, will give me a good indication of where I am 1500m wise at the minute and I can build from there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Monday: Off

    Tuesday: 5.5 mile easy


    Up at the crack of dawn for this (OK, half 7, I work afternoons!) as I had to get away early. I am terrible at running in the mornings, I feel really sluggish. Nice morning for it even if it was a bit cold. Looking forward to the 1500m at the Graded Meet tomorrow, I will be one of the slowest in all the grades by far but it doesn't bother me. I have a plan not to go out quicker than 54 seconds for the first 300m, which is still sub 4.50 mile pace. I don't care what anyone else does I'm just going to sit back and try to run my own race, tomorrow is a bit of a time trial to see where I stand. Hopefully I should get s PB (sub 4.54), depends on the weather, rain is fine but hopefully the wind dies down a bit. I'm pumped up though and ready to race!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Monday: Off

    Tuesday: 5.5 mile easy


    Up at the crack of dawn for this (OK, half 7, I work afternoons!) as I had to get away early. I am terrible at running in the mornings, I feel really sluggish. Nice morning for it even if it was a bit cold. Looking forward to the 1500m at the Graded Meet tomorrow, I will be one of the slowest in all the grades by far but it doesn't bother me. I have a plan not to go out quicker than 54 seconds for the first 300m, which is still sub 4.50 mile pace. I don't care what anyone else does I'm just going to sit back and try to run my own race, tomorrow is a bit of a time trial to see where I stand. Hopefully I should get s PB (sub 4.54), depends on the weather, rain is fine but hopefully the wind dies down a bit. I'm pumped up though and ready to race!

    I think you are psyching yourself out a little sub 5 will put you well placed in a grade D race so you should be in or around mid pack which would be ideal for getting a good race and hopefully pushed to a fast time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    ecoli wrote: »
    I think you are psyching yourself out a little sub 5 will put you well placed in a grade D race so you should be in or around mid pack which would be ideal for getting a good race and hopefully pushed to a fast time

    Maybe so man, I'm just still a bit scarred from being last after 200m when I ran the 3,000m last year at one of the meets!! Managed to pull back one place before the end though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭ThePiedPiper


    Best of luck this evening PConn.. I know it's early days with the change of training plan, but the old one had plenty of excellent work, so I'm sure this'll go well for you. Enjoy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    You are right not to go out too hard.
    Conserve your energy for later on in the race but try to hang with a group.
    Get an inside line and let others do the work.

    ecoli is right - 4:54 would have had 10 guys behind you last year.
    The third lap is the big one, with your strength, you'll pass a few of the quick starters here.

    Good luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    P Conn- Confidence is everything in racing....sometimes reading your log I think you beat yourself before you even get out there... Your training has been good- you have good natural speed. Just go out there and crush it... I think you could surprise yourself w/ how fast you can go if you put the head down and don't think about it...

    just my 2 cents

    good luck tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    drquirky wrote: »
    P Conn- Confidence is everything in racing....sometimes reading your log I think you beat yourself before you even get out there... Your training has been good- you have good natural speed. Just go out there and crush it... I think you could surprise yourself w/ how fast you can go if you put the head down and don't think about it...

    just my 2 cents

    good luck tonight

    Cheers man, will keep that in mind, I think you're right, sometimes I just need a kick up the arse and to get out there. Thanks for the advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    So after a long day at work I rocked up at Santry stadium a little early. I couldn't convince any of my long distance clubmates to travel with me so I was on a solo mission tonight! Killed some time watching the Dublin 10,000 champs and when the 200m races started I went for a warm up jog. Turns out there was a lot of 200m races so spent the next 45 mins or so just trying to keep warm. Finally our race was called about an hour after it was billed to start!

    The conditions were good, the rain held off and the wind died right down. I was in the D garde and there between 12-15 runners in the race. I was ready for a fast start but was not ready for a slow start, we crawled down the back straight and a glance at my watch told me we were running 6.30 pace!! :eek: We were all bunched up and trying not to trip over ourselves. The pace picked up at last but the first 400m was still slow, about 78 secs. The next lap was not fast either and went through 800m in about 2.35. We were still tripping over ourselves and a few people were getting spiked. At last the pace started to pick up as well went down the finishing straight into the last lap. A the bell I started to work my way towards the front as I was feeling good and as we rounded down the back straight I pushed to the front just behind the leader. This wasn't in the script and I was a bit unsure what to do. With 200 to go I pushed on and tried to make a break but a guy immediately followed me and got ahead. I was now in second tearing down the home straight but the legs were screaming and I could hear footsteps behind me, a guy goes past me and I'm into third. Then just before the line another guy just pips me and I let out an audible "fuck", but the legs just had no reply and I had to settle for 4th. I expected a low time giving the slow start so was quite pleased when I checked the watch to see 4.40 (not official, will check official times tomorrow), a new PB by 14 seconds and 4.55 pace for the mile.

    I hobbled over get my bag and watched the next race and the lactic acid was curdling in my legs. Ecoli came up and introduced himself after he ran a cracking race in the C grade and we did a warm down jog, my legs still screaming at me! It's strange talking to people on here and knowing a bit about their training but having no idea what they look like!

    Overall it was a great result and I'm very happy, one of my goals for the year was to run 4.40 or under for 1500m so I achieved that and now hope to target 4.30 or under at the Louth Champs. I love this distance too, I think it suits me but my inexperience let me down today when I went a bit too early. But I will learn from that and maybe save my kick until a bit later next time! I also hope to give a mile race a crack soon and get a sub 5 hopefully, I want to tick that box of in the 10 round numbers thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,821 ✭✭✭blockic


    Super run pconn, well done!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭RunningKing


    Excellent stuff, having not done any of these graded meets before, I'd have no clue as to strategy etc so well done on that. Unlucky to get pipped for 3rd, but overall I'm sure you're delighted.
    Great running and nice PB.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭RandyMann


    Savage running, well done. I missed your race as I was too wrecked and had to go home. Keep up the good work !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    Nice PB! Well run


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    RandyMann wrote: »
    Savage running, well done. I missed your race as I was too wrecked and had to go home. Keep up the good work !

    Thanks, RM. I think I seen your race. I guessing baldy guy in the Crusaders singlet? You ran very well, it was a hard evening for sprinters, a bit cold and damp. Not bad for middle distance but not good for fast sprinting times. Early in the season so much more to come off that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Dublin Athletics are worse than precision timing and I seem to have lost two second along the way, they give me 4.42. :confused: Anyway I think there is a much faster time there, the slow start definitely cost me a few seconds as I was very comfortable with a lap to go. Next time I might step up a grade or go to the front earlier and try and drag the pace if the same thing happens again.

    Edit: Just seen there was 18 in my race so 4th is a better result than I first thought. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 920 ✭✭✭RandyMann


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Thanks, RM. I think I seen your race. I guessing baldy guy in the Crusaders singlet? You ran very well, it was a hard evening for sprinters, a bit cold and damp. Not bad for middle distance but not good for fast sprinting times. Early in the season so much more to come off that.

    Yes that was me :) Thanks, onwards and upwards for us all !


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