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Baltimore Ravens Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Interesting read on the Pollard release:
    The house cleaning continued in Owings Mills on Wednesday, as Bernard Pollard was handed his walking papers after two seasons in purple.

    This departure, unlike that of Paul Kruger and Dannell Ellerbe, was clearly and comfortably the choice of John Harbaugh and the Ravens organization. In simple terms, Pollard’s constant complaining and locker room blow-ups finally caught up to him.

    That Pollard leaves a champion is a testament to his intensity and competitive fire. He was an important part of the team that captured the Super Bowl in New Orleans on February 3. Few players in the league hit with more tenacity. The term “play like a Raven” was seemingly created with players like Bernard Pollard in mind.

    With the good, though, came a lot of bad. Pollard was a troublesome figure in the clubhouse, which is why he won’t be around in Baltimore next season.

    “This wasn’t all about quality of play,” a source said on Wednesday after the news about Pollard’s termination went public. ”It was about locker room tranquility and chemistry.”

    While there wasn’t one single incident that doomed Pollard, a series of friction-filled events contributed to the club finally saying “enough is enough”. The most notable of those was a post-game blow-up in Washington where the hard-hitting safety openly bashed linebacker Josh Bynes in front of the entire team and within earshot of several media members who were in the vicinity of the locker room setting up for post-game interviews.

    “It was completely uncalled for,” said a 2012 teammate. ”From a team standpoint, the last thing we needed that day was to have one guy pitting himself against someone else. And to pick on Josh like that? It was wrong.”

    Pollard’s role in the bye-week practice fiasco is well known by now. When Harbaugh suggested the team practice in pads on Wednesday before letting the team have off for the rest of the week, Pollard reacted angrily and rallied several teammates to demand a lighter, easier practice session. To his credit, Harbaugh took the high road and gave in, deciding, apparently, that the battle wasn’t worth winning when the season was still very much in the balance.

    “He was always complaining about something,” the teammate remembered. ”Nothing was ever right in Bernard’s eyes. After a while it got kind of old. And a lot of guys in the locker are John Harbaugh fans. Bernard was very anti-John and open about it. He didn’t really hide it.”

    It’s one thing for a player to butt heads with the coach. That happens all the time. But, in this case, players – lots of them – were worn out by Pollard’s locker room antics and in-game reckless play that appeared to be more about the safety just doing things “his way” and not fitting in with the rest of the team.

    Penalties and unnecessary roughness flags also plagued the hard-hitting safety. The former teammate cited one penalty in particular that unsettled the locker room. “Before the Indianapolis game, Harbs made a point of reminding us all about the late hits and the fact that we couldn’t afford any crucial penalties in a playoff game. With six or seven minutes left (editor’s note: It was actually with 3:46 to play) in the game, Pollard cracked Reggie Wayne for no reason at all. Right there, in front of the official, he just cracked him. We looked at each other like, ‘Is this guy serious or what?’”

    The penalties and lack of discipline didn’t go unnoticed by Harbaugh and his staff.

    On the field, Pollard was a solid run stopper who was suspect in pass coverage. That, alone, wouldn’t have been enough for the Ravens to part company with him, but it made their decision a lot easier on Wednesday.

    As I often say on The D&L Window Tinting Morning Reaction, what we see, as fans and members of the media, is about 5% of what REALLY happens within an organization. We just see the games. Those of us with press passes do get a closer look at things, but it’s limited at best. In Pollard’s case, what we didn’t see was the consistent complaining and locker room lawyering that created more friction than his production provided.

    If nothing else, the decision to cut ties with Pollard shows once again that Harbaugh puts chemistry and team unity high on his wish list of important items.

    “As a player, when you see another guy in the locker room trying to undermine the coach on a regular basis, you sort of wonder when the coach is going to take control,” said Pollard’s now-former teammate. ”It does become the coach vs. the player, ultimately. And we all wait around to see who’s going to win. It’s an unnecessary distraction if it builds up, which this did.”

    The distraction is moving on to his fourth team in eight seasons.

    And the Ravens will move on as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Apparently we're in talk with James Harrison :D Could you imagine!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Well he was a Raven a long, long time ago ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Just thought id chip in here to say that i think Brandon Lloyd would be an excellent signing if yee were interested. He's still an elite deep threat that puts up a huge average per catch and we all know how much Flacco would love another WR like that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    spiralism wrote: »
    Just thought id chip in here to say that i think Brandon Lloyd would be an excellent signing if yee were interested. He's still an elite deep threat that puts up a huge average per catch and we all know how much Flacco would love another WR like that!
    Brandon Lloyd has only ever been any good in a scheme designed by Josh McDaniels - he had a good year and a half in Denver when McDaniels was running the show and was useless when McDaniels got sacked. He was decent with the Rams, again with McDaniels and the Pats brought him in because McDaniels thought he would produce again in his scheme. Lloyd was not anything approaching the deep threat last season that he was in Denver or St Louis. The rest of the Pats players complained about his 'erratic' behaviour. Lloyd even offered to take a pay cut and Belichick still cut him. If Lloyd was worth keeping then the Pats would have done it. I cant' see him doing anything with the Ravens except whinging, whining and complaining.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    Kraft mentioned today he wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats play the Ravens in the season opener. Only problem is for the Ravens is the Orioles play the same night and the NFL have asked the Orioles to move their game forward a few hours. Would be an epic first game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    TO. wrote: »
    Kraft mentioned today he wouldn't be surprised to see the Pats play the Ravens in the season opener. Only problem is for the Ravens is the Orioles play the same night and the NFL have asked the Orioles to move their game forward a few hours. Would be an epic first game.

    Why don't they just play it on the Wednesday or Friday night? (Wednesday opener last season)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭TO.


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Why don't they just play it on the Wednesday or Friday night? (Wednesday opener last season)

    No idea to be honest. Schefter or one of them gave an explanation about why the owners want to do it on the Thursday but I never really read anymore into it.

    Edit: Looking at the Orioles schedule they play on the Friday and Saturday also. So Wednesday would be the logical choice alright.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Orioles won't move to midday as they play a night game in Cleveland on the Wednesday. Would be after midnight before the team gets back to Baltimore.
    Also the ballpark & the stadium share carparks so this affects fans tailgating and the NFL will likely want to setup concert stages outside the stadium for the opening game.

    Orioles won't do a double header Friday or Saturday as they lose money in ticket sales.
    And the owner is as stubborn as they come

    The NFL won't move to Wednesday as they are pushing very hard to establish Thursday Night Football.
    They show this themselves on NFL Network and they want to make it a success as a bargaining tool with the big networks.

    Solution?
    Give the Orioles one or two million dollars and they'll do the double header I suppose


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Orioles won't move to midday as they play a night game in Cleveland on the Wednesday. Would be after midnight before the team gets back to Baltimore.
    Also the ballpark & the stadium share carparks so this affects fans tailgating and the NFL will likely want to setup concert stages outside the stadium for the opening game.

    Orioles won't do a double header Friday or Saturday as they lose money in ticket sales.
    And the owner is as stubborn as they come

    The NFL won't move to Wednesday as they are pushing very hard to establish Thursday Night Football.
    They show this themselves on NFL Network and they want to make it a success as a bargaining tool with the big networks.

    Solution?
    Give the Orioles one or two million dollars and they'll do the double header I suppose

    They don't show this first game on NFL Network. It was NBC last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    The Dumervil rumours are still swirling around. What do people think? He's a fine player and would give us more pass rushing options. He's play OLB as opposed to DE


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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    The Dumervil rumours are still swirling around. What do people think? He's a fine player and would give us more pass rushing options. He's play OLB as opposed to DE

    He's a big upgrade on Kruger anyway. He got 17 sacks one year playing 3-4 defense. Hopefully he can replicate that if we get a hold of him.
    Him and Suggs combined will be hard to shut down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    The Dumervil rumours are still swirling around. What do people think? He's a fine player and would give us more pass rushing options. He's play OLB as opposed to DE
    Dumervil is probably better as a OLB in the 3-4 than he is as DE in the 4-3. His best season was playing as an OLB in Mike Nolan's 3-4 in Denver in 2009.

    It looks like its between Denver and Baltimore for Dumervil's signature. The Broncos have offered him a revised contract that is considerably lower than the 3-year $30million deal with $11million up front that didn't go through on Friday. The deal is more the lines of the $5-$6million range that is the going rate for situational pass rushers. If the Ravens offer a better deal then I would expect Dumervil to jump at it - the debacle on Friday has cost him an awful lot of money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Confirmed that Ravens will start on the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Raf32 wrote: »
    Confirmed that Ravens will start on the road.

    Fucking disgrace.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Raf32 wrote: »
    Confirmed that Ravens will start on the road.

    I think having to travel for their first game is an insult to all Ravens fans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    It has got to be against Denver. Any other game, unless divisional, does not look any way appealing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    SantryRed wrote: »
    It has got to be against Denver. Any other game, unless divisional, does not look any way appealing.

    Steelers hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭Phoenix Park


    Paully D wrote: »
    Steelers hopefully.

    I really hope it isn't to be honest. Steelers v Ravens is usually a really ugly game and from a neutrals point of view tends to be bad TV. I know its a big rivalry but usually i find the games boring. I'd much rather Ravens playing Denver myself, would be much more exciting especially after Ravens putting them on in the playoffs. Manning would probably ensure a decent beating, it being the regular season and all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Ed Reed thank you note in the Baltimore Sun:

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    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/24/4141394/ed-reed-texans-ravens
    Ravens Nation, My eleven seasons in Baltimore were more than I would have ever imagined, which is why I have such deep love for you all. I will forever cherish my time with the Ravens and the chills that ran down my spine when I finally kissed the Lombardi Trophy.

    Special thanks to the City, Team, Organization and all the Fans! I'm going to miss being a part of this tremendous team and organization, but I'll always be Baltimore and my Foundation will remain in this community, this is not a goodbye, but a See You Soon.

    Thank you for everything Baltimore, God Bless you.

    ED REED #20

    Sad to see such an iconic Raven go, but being honest it was the right time to move on. His shoulder is goosed and he can't tackle, and there must have been three or four times this season when he got jumped over like a horse going over a fence :pac: which was painful viewing.

    Anyway I'm just glad his last game with us was a Super Bowl win, a perfect way for him to go out!

    Does anyone else think Harbs is happy to let all the experienced leaders go so he can now say ''this is now my team'' and ''we're doing things my way now''? For example the likes of Lewis, Reed, Pollard etc were all very loud voices in the dressing room. I'm not saying it wasn't his team before but now he'll take more of a leadership role himself IMO.

    Interesting times ahead, we're certainly going to get faster and younger on defense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Dumervile's on board:

    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_22861666/elvis-dumervil-agrees-contract-baltimore-ravens?source=rss
    Once again, the Baltimore Ravens have defeated the Broncos.
    Elvis Dumervil, one of the best defensive ends in Broncos history, has agreed in principle to a multiyear contract with the Ravens, according to two NFL sources.

    Dumervil's departure occurs 10 weeks after Baltimore stunned the Broncos, 38-35 in double-overtime of a second-round AFC playoff game on a below-zero windchill Saturday afternoon.

    A blustery snowstorm greeted Denver on Saturday when the Broncos learned Dumervil and his 63½ sacks were moving on.

    The Broncos are expected to focus on signing defensive end John Abraham, who had 10 sacks and six forced fumbles for the Atlanta Falcons last season — or just one less sack than Dumervil. Former Indianapolis Colt Dwight Freeney is also a possibility if the Broncos can't reach an agreement with Abraham.

    Abraham and Freeney visited the Broncos on Thursday.

    Dumvervil's departure brings an end to one of the most bizarre transaction debacles in NFL history. It started when the Broncos asked Dumervil to take a pay cut. He made $14 million in 2011, $14 million in 2012 and the Broncos didn't want to pay him another $12 million in 2013, not when a free-agent market correction gave the likes of Cliff Avril, who like Dumervil had 20½ sacks the past two years, a two-year, $13 million contract with Seattle.

    Avril's contract set Dumervil's market value as the Broncos and Ravens were each working off the guideline of paying approximately $13 million through the first two seasons.

    It was the story behind Dumervil's free-agent eligibility, though, that had people around the country chatting around office coffee machines. After nearly two weeks of protracted negotiations regarding the Broncos' proposed pay cut, Dumervil and his agent Marty Magid finally agreed to take a first-year 33 percent salary reduction to $8 million.

    The agreement was communicated 35 minutes before the signature page to Dumervil's revised contract needed to be at the NFL offices in New York by 2 p.m. March 15.

    But the exchange of faxes between Broncos' contract negotiator Mike Sullivan in Englewood to Magid in Philadelphia to Dumervil in Miami and back to the Broncos' headquarters took too long. The signature page did not reach the Broncos' office, much less the league's fax machine, by the 2 p.m. deadline.
    The missed deadline forced the Broncos to terminate Dumervil's original contract if the team was to avoid guaranteeing his $12 million salary.

    With his contract terminated, Dumervil became a free agent. Several teams expressed interest but only the Broncos and Ravens made offers.

    Dumervil chose to move on in large part because of the personal pitches he received from his former linebacker's coach Don "Wink" Martindale, new pass-rushing partner Terrell Suggs and head coach John Harbaugh.

    Martindale was the Broncos' linebackers coach in 2009 when Dumervil recorded a career-best 17 sacks that led the NFL. Dumervil played outside linebacker in what was a new 3-4 defensive system for the Broncos that year. He will play outside linebacker again, with Suggs on the other side, in Baltimore's 3-4 defense.

    Our D is going to be better than last year. Sizzle and Dumervile chasing QB's - scary!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    Some welcome good news after all the departures :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    Some welcome good news after all the departures :D

    12 picks in the draft for Ozzie to work his magic too. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Welcome, welcome to the AFC North

    The QB's already know you!

    Plenty of this please :pac:

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    Elvis+Dumervil+Andy+Dalton+Denver+Broncos+9QJ7PE6pMoBx.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    My favourite Mike (although not AFC North):



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Also lads, Huff has the same agent as Dumervil and is expected in for a visit, according to Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Peter King's latest column:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130325/elvis-dumervil-baltimore-ravens-peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback/index.html
    Revenge is best served cold, but this is ridiculous. It took 30 years for Baltimore to finally get revenge on John Elway.
    Thirty years next month, the Baltimore Colts drafted Elway with the first pick in the NFL Draft. Elway didn't want to play for taskmaster head coach Frank Kush, and so his agent, Marvin Demoff, went about the work of trying to create an alternate market for Elway, both in baseball and in the NFL. Elway was a great baseball prospect too, having played a minor-league season with the Yankees' Rookie League team in 1982. Owner George Steinbrenner loved Elway and projected him to be a starting outfielder for the Yankees by 1985. The Colts got the message and felt the leverage. Baltimore traded Elway to Denver a week after the draft, but the eventual compensation (Mark Herrmann, Chris Hinton and Ron Solt) wasn't close to the dividends Elway paid Denver.
    It's tough to equate -- no, not tough; impossible -- Baltimore losing Elway to, 30 years later, Baltimore stealing one of Denver president Elway's 10 most important players. But in 2013, to Ravens fans, it'll do. In Baltimore, Elvis is about to enter the building.
    ***
    See? Never judge an offseason before, you know, the season.
    In the seven weeks since Baltimore won the Super Bowl, that's the lesson we've learned about the defending champs. First the Ravens had the Ray Lewis retirement, then the Anquan Boldin debacle, then the loss of Paul Kruger and Dannell Ellerbe in free agency, then the staredown with -- and loss of -- Ed Reed (which they really didn't mind), then the Thursday night opener mess ... and then late Sunday afternoon, pilfering pass rusher Elvis Dumervil from Denver.
    It's really been a wacky time. But let's work in reverse here.
    Let's go back 10 days, to Faxgate, when Dumervil's contract with Denver was annulled because he got the reworked deal faxed back to Denver 15 minutes after the deadline for the deal. OK, if he got the deal in on time, it would have been approved. But I've thought since that day -- and it's certainly something Dumervil believed -- that if the Broncos really wanted Dumervil back, they'd have been aggressively pursuing him to get the paperwork back before the deadline, particularly when they saw the minutes ticking down to the wire. Dumervil exited that process feeling like the Broncos didn't want him, and feeling unhappy anyway because the team was cutting his 2012 pay from $12 million to $8 million.
    So Dumervil switched agents from the relatively unknown Marty Magid to the power agents of the league, Creative Artists Agency, with Tom Condon, Ben Dogra and Jimmy Sexton leading the way. Dogra has an apt name. He's dogged. Condon doesn't leave money on the table. When they took over, I believe they went all out to find a team that would pay Dumervil more money in year one than Denver would. Denver, I'm told, offered Dumervil the same in total cash in 2013 as it had before the fax foulup, $8 million. So CAA went off to do better. I am also told Dumervil did not want to go back to Denver if he could find some team that would pay him more in 2013 ... even one dime more. Baltimore did it. With some of the cap savings from letting Kruger, Ellerbe and Reed walk, here's the breakdown of the deal the Ravens reached to sign Dumervil:
    The deal: five years, $26 million, with a max value with incentives of $35 million.
    Signing bonus: $7.5 million.
    2013 salary: $1 million.
    2013 total money: $8.5 million.
    There you have it. Dumervil will make $500,000 more in Baltimore this year than he would have in Denver.
    One more side note here: In 2009, Dumervil, under new linebacker coach Wink Martindale in Denver, played outside linebacker and had his best season as a pro, winning the NFL sack title with 17.
    Dumervil's sure to play outside 'backer in Baltimore. One of the linebacker coaches with the Ravens is Wink Martindale.
    Coffee tastes a little better this morning, doesn't it, Raven Nation?
    BURKE: Dumervil signing another Ozzie Newsome masterstroke
    ***
    By mid-afternoon Sunday, it wasn't looking like such a hot week for Baltimore.
    According to the Elias Sports Bureau, no Super Bowl winner lost more than five starting players from its championship team the next season -- until this year. Reed leaving for Houston on Friday marked the eighth player defection, trade or retirement since the Ravens won the Lombardi Trophy. Reed didn't play like a $5 million player last season, which is what the Texans are paying him, and he'll be 35 in September. It was time to move on from Ray Lewis. The expected return of Lardarius Webb from injury negates the loss of Cary Williams at corner. And paying $9 million a year for Kruger, a good but not great pass rusher, or $8 million for Ellerbe (lifetime starts: 14) would have created potentially untenable salary problems in the future. (Don't ask me to defend not paying Boldin $6 million for one year. I can't.) I believe most of GM Ozzie Newsome's decisions, eventually, will be proven correct. Teams that don't spend in the first two weeks of free agency are never applauded.
    And now the Ravens won't open the season at home, the first time in a decade the Super Bowl champ hasn't opened in its home stadium, because of a conflict with an Orioles-White Sox game at 7 p.m. that day in Oriole Park at Camden Yards, a few Joe Flacco spirals from M&T Bank Stadium, where the Ravens play. Looking at the issues involved:
    The logistics don't work to play both baseball and football games in downtown Baltimore close together. I'm hearing that there was some sentiment to play the baseball game at 4 p.m. and the football game at 9, but because of shared parking lots and the amount of space needed to hold the downtown concert, the conflict would have been difficult. The city's not big enough to handle a baseball crowd exiting the area at, say, 7:15, with much of a football crowd already there, or trying to wedge in there. And a long game, rain delay or extra innings ... a nightmare.
    Don't blame the Orioles. The Orioles and White Sox are scheduled to play their only series of the season in Baltimore beginning on Thursday, Sept. 5. Each team is on the road the previous night, Baltimore at Cleveland and Chicago at the Yankees. It sounds easy to say, "Make the baseball game start at noon." That's unfair to teams getting into town at 1 a.m. (or later), particularly with both teams in the midst of a six-month grind. The opening of the series falls in the middle of a 20-games-in-20-days stretch for each team. Now, the NFL proposed to the Orioles and to Major League Baseball that the Orioles and White Sox play a Saturday day-night doubleheader on Sept. 7. But what if it rained Friday or Saturday, causing a rainout, and what if either team, or both, was in a pennant race? Playing back-to-back doubleheaders then, or the White Sox having to return to Baltimore to play one or two games, was a non-starter.
    Sunday night or Monday night was never an option. I'm told the league would have been amenable to the Ravens opening Sunday night or Monday night at home, but many of the same problems would have existed. The Orioles are home Sunday afternoon, and a rainout might have necessitated a doubleheader on Sunday. And the Orioles are home Monday night to the Yankees, and you can bet the Yankees would have howled about the moving of a Monday night game, for their TV audience in New York, to early Monday afternoon.
    One final point that too few people don't understand when it comes to the scheduling of this game. Super Bowl champs like playing the Thursday game. It's a scheduling advantage -- a big one. Teams treat the fourth preseason game as a garbage game anyway, so after the third preseason, they're prepping for the first real game of the year. If that game happens on Thursday of Week 1, it gives teams a mini-bye before Week 2, 10 days to prepare for the second game and extra time for minor injuries to heal. The Ravens coaches clearly wanted the Thursday game on the road over a home game on Sunday or Monday of Week 1. And they're not the only ones. It was an open secret at the league meetings that New England would have favored being the Thursday night foe for Baltimore to open the season, giving the Patriots an edge headed into Week 2.
    That won't happen now. So what will? Too early to call, but in order of likelihood (in no one's eyes but mine), it seems like this would be the toteboard for the Thursday night opener:
    Most possible: Baltimore at Denver (rematch of the Rahim Moore Bowl, with the Dumervil drama an added twist).
    Possible: Baltimore at Chicago (great city for the NFL to have the game), Baltimore at Pittsburgh (though I can tell you the Steelers would be shocked if the league sent the arch-rival Ravens to Heinz Field for the opener).
    Less possible: Baltimore at Detroit (though a Flacco-Stafford matchup would be fun), Baltimore at Cincinnati (meh).
    If I were Baltimore owner Steve Bisciotti, the one game I wouldn't want is the Denver rematch. Playing Peyton Manning at home in early September, in a week the weather has the best chance to be lovely and fit for a prolific passing game, and in a game the locals will be out for revenge, is not my idea of a good way to get off to a 1-0 start.
    I had this thought when trying to figure out a way to solve this problem: Let the Ravens play away on the first Thursday on NBC, and let them play home on NFL Network in Week 2 on Thursday, to celebrate the Super Bowl in style at home. (It wouldn't be so unlike 2012, when the Giants played the first game at home, on a Wednesday because of the Democratic Convention, and then played in Week 3 on Thursday at Carolina.) Baltimore at Denver Week 1, Cleveland at Baltimore Week 2. Genius move! The Kissinger olive branch! Then I looked at the baseball schedule: Yankees at Orioles, Thursday, Sept. 12, 7 p.m. Curses. But I will say this: Is there any reason the fourth game of a four-game series, on getaway day for both teams, cannot be played at 1 p.m.? Other than local TV revenue lost from turning a midweek night game to day, it's a point worth considering, particularly if the NFL would reimburse the two teams for whatever loss of local TV revenue there'd be. And the Ravens wouldn't lose the edge of the mini-bye; it'd just come between Weeks 2 and 3 instead of Weeks 1 and 2.
    The Ravens are upset, to put it mildly, about losing the chance to open on that Thursday at home. Any team would be. But it was apparent in reading the statements of both the Orioles and Ravens Friday that neither side wanted to start a firefight with the other. It's not deserving of a brawl, or for the fans of Baltimore to be bitter at the Orioles for not doing everything to make it happen. And if you're a Ravens fan, look on the bright side. The last time a Super Bowl champ didn't open at home was opening weekend 2003, when Tampa Bay traveled to Philadelphia on a Monday night to kick off the season -- and to play the first regular-season game in Lincoln Financial Field history. The final: Tampa Bay 17, Philadelphia 0.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Paully D wrote: »

    Not surprisingly Peter King got several of the facts wrong in this case -

    1. Dumervil was not offered $8million in the initial Denver Broncos contract offer - he was due to get $8million plus a $3million signing bonus. So the Ravens did not pay Dumervil $500K more than Denver initially offered - they paid Dumervil $2.5million less than he was due to receive from the Broncos if he had sent the fax to Denver on time last Friday.
    2. King states that if the Broncos really wanted Dumervil they would have "that if the Broncos really wanted Dumervil back, they'd have been aggressively pursuing him to get the paperwork back before the deadline, particularly when they saw the minutes ticking down to the wire."
    Denver make contact with Dumervil's agent four hours before the deadline with the agreed contract offer following negotiations - three hours later - .i.e. one hour before they were due to pay Dumervil $12million - Dumervil's agent contacted the Broncos and told them that Dumervil had rejected the negotiated contract offer. At this point the Broncos began processing Dumervil's wavier papers. 25 minutes later Magid phones the Broncos back and told Elway that Dumervil had changed his mind and would sign the contract offer. Straight away Elway pointed out that it would be difficult for the contract to be faxed and registered with the NFL in 35minutes. Magid assured Elway that the contract would be signed and returned to the Broncos within the 35 minutes. This did not happen. If Denver had not issued the wavier papers for Dumervil at 1 minute to the deadline as they did - then the new contract offer (signed or not) would have been null and void and Denver would have been legally obligated to pay Dumervil $12million for 2013.
    3. Denver did not offer the same cash total in its revised offer after Friday's debacle - the original offer was a 3 year $33million deal with $11million guaranteed - the revised offer was a 3 year $24million deal with $8million guaranteed. The Ravens signed him for a 5 year $35million deal with $8.5million (possibly $10.5million) guaranteed. By the way - Dumervil still has to pass a medical tomorrow and that have been consistent rumours that he does have ongoing issues with his triceps that he injured two years ago.
    4. Baltimore used very little cap space ($2.5million this year) compared to what Denver was going to cover - however, dead money against the cap next year (if Dumervil was cut) for Denver was $2million - for Baltimore it will be $8-$10million. Denver has a whole host of top ranked players emerging as free agents next year - it could not and would not hang dead money of this scale around the teams salary cap for 2014.
    5. In 2009 Denver used Mike Nolan's 3-4 defensive scheme. Denver now uses a 4-3. Dumervil will be better in the 3-4 of Baltimore than the Broncos 4-3 - however, Dumervil is not nearly as effective a player as he was three years ago and he is now a major liability against the run. He is a situational pass rusher and both Denver and Baltimore were both willing to pay over the rate for such a player.
    6. Dumervil is not one of Denver's ten most important players - at this point the following would be ranked higher than him -
    Miller, Manning, Clady, Thomas, Welker, Bailey, DRC, Vasquez, Franklin, Prater, Colquitt, Kuper (if he recovers from injury) and Beadles. In fact, analysis of the 2012 season showed that Dumervil was the least productive player of the entire Broncos roster when his cost was taken into account.

    It is surprising that a magazine of the standing of Sports Illustrated would print a story without checking the facts properly. Then again it is rare these days for the facts to get in the way of a good story.

    I wish Doom well in Baltimore - he has been a good player for Denver for a number of years now and he will be productive in Baltimore. It will be interesting to see how the Denver defence works without Dumervil - my hunch is that he actually won't be missed an awful lot. However - to compare Baltimore's signing Dumervil to the Broncos taking Elway in 1983 is cloud-cuckoo-land stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Jolly Red Giant


    Further to this - the contract details have emerged that demonstrate King was talking bullsh*t -

    This is a comparison of Dumervil's contract with the Ravens as compared to the revised (not the pre - fax debacle) contract from the Broncos.

    First the Ravens:
    2013: $1 million salary; $7.5 million signing bonus = $8.5 million (fully guaranteed)
    2014: $1 million salary; $3.5 million option bonus (injury-only guarantee) = $4.5 million
    2015: $4 million salary
    2016: $4 million salary
    2017: 5 million salary

    TOTALS
    1 year: $8.5 million
    2 years: $13 million
    3 years: $17 million
    5 years: $26 million ($5.2 million/yr average)
    Full guarantee: $8.5 million
    Escalators: $7 million; incentives: $2 million

    BRONCOS
    2013: $5 million salary; $3 million signing bonus = $8 million (fully guaranteed)
    2014: $5 million ($2 million fully guaranteed)
    2015: $5 million

    TOTALS
    1 year: $8 million
    2 years: $13 million
    3 years: $18 million ($6 million/yr average)
    Full guarantee; $10 million.
    Escalators: At least $2 million; $1 million each of first two years with 12 sacks.

    CONCLUSION:
    The Broncos offered a slightly better deal because they had more unconditional guaranteed money and a better three-year average. The escalators for both the Ravens and Broncos were built around a 12-sack season.


  • Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rolando McClain has been released by the Raiders, anyone else think he'd be great in Baltimore?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    Very talented certainly so he's worth a go if cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


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    Some nice games there. Thanksgiving night at home to the Steelers the pick of the bunch :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    That didn't take long. What a Muppet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Luckily for him the team is very light at MLB

    He's on a very low 1 year 700k, it's easy to cut a player on that money

    Happened in his hometown too, I suppose he needs to move on and leave those friends behind


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Elam our pick in the 1st round last night. I'd probably have gone for Cyprien if given the choice myself but obviously our front office know better than me thankfully!

    Ozzie said that he was the best player on their draft board at the time and that all the main four guys (him, Harbaugh, Biscotti and De Costa) were in consensus on the pick.

    A very speedy, versatile safety who doesn't miss tackles and plays with passion. If he gets a hand on you you're going to the ground. I'm sure he'll fit in just fine:



    Those hits at 25 seconds and 50 seconds :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    ESPN article on Elam from 2009 when he was being recruited by colleges, wow he's had a tough life off the field:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=4761284
    Matt Elam has always been able to run hard and fast, but only upon slowing down did he become a truly fabulous high school football player, and a more promising person.

    Blessed with golden DNA, the same mix of genes that has landed brother Abram Elam with the NFL's Browns, ESPNU's No. 13-ranked senior in the nation has otherwise been doubly cursed.

    If your 12-year-old sister had been murdered when you were 8 and your oldest brother murdered last year in the very same park of your neighborhood, chances are you'd be a flight risk, too.

    But the running back-safety is not running now unless he's playing. Dwyer High (Palm Beach Gardens) won its first Florida state title Saturday in the Class 4A championship game against Niceville, 42-14, in large measure because Matt Elam has carried the Panthers.

    A young man who could have slithered into the margins of the hard-knocks suburbs north of Palm Beach, Fla., where crime and dropout rates are high, and chances for success are disproportionately low -- he was on the way down, in fact -- instead has been driven by watching his mother go twice to hell and back.

    He was a bad kid. Mean. A fighter. Addie Lewis helped change some of that, a mother mandating that her son change schools several years ago. Most of the rest of the rehab credit goes to Elam, a high-B/low-A student ready to graduate early, and -- presumably -- enroll next month at the University of Florida.

    Changes have been made.

    Elam still has an edge and remains a skeptic. He's tuned in, though; he seems to get it.

    "I'm more mature, and I handle situations better," he said. "I felt like I had to make a difference with my mom because she was losing her kids. It wouldn't make her feel good [if he continued on a crooked path]."

    ESPNU ranks the 6-foot-1, 205-pound senior as the No. 2 athlete in the nation, and Elam's athleticism has always been bountiful. Before transferring from Palm Beach Gardens High before his junior year, he was (and remains) a starter on the basketball and football teams. He has run track, and he played on a state championship lacrosse team last season at Dwyer.

    For a long time, however, he was a mess off the field.

    He was just 8 when his sister Christina, then 12, was shot and killed on a playground. "She was fighting a girl [earlier that day], and her [fellow combatant's] brother came back," Matt said. "I wear her number; 22 was her favorite number."

    Abram Elam rushed from home to hold his fallen sister, but it was too late. Christina's killer is now in prison.

    A couple of years after his sister was murdered, Elam's mother moved him to another school to help him avoid the trouble he was routinely finding.

    But this is not a story about an angry youth turning soft. It's about a recalibration.

    "I wouldn't say it helped me a lot, but it slowed me down, got me out of a crowd," Elam said. "I would lose my temper a lot, fighting and stuff like that."

    There was anger-management counseling, too.

    "I don't think it helped at all," Elam said. "All you did was sit down and talk about things you did, things you should have done."

    The tough skin is still there. Over time, though, messages began sinking in that previously did not.

    Several suburbs north of Palm Beach are tough -- and are talent hotbeds. Kansas City Chiefs safety DaJuan Morgan and Bears return ace/wide receiver Devin Hester are from the area, and so are former NFL players Anthony Carter and Barrett Green and high-profile basketball players Richard Rellford and Anthony Goldwire, among others.

    Soon after older brother Donald Elam was killed in a still unsolved murder in the spring of 2008, Matt transferred from Palm Beach Lakes High to Dwyer via No Child Left Behind guidelines that allow students to change schools if theirs are underperforming academically.

    He arrived with a reputation that wasn't perfect.

    "Since he's been here, I definitely haven't seen that side," said Reggie Stanley, the running backs coach at Dwyer. "He was in the weight room every day in the summer, been at every practice. It's amazing how this kid picks up things. He wants to get better and make people around him better."

    Matt speaks with his big brother every day. Abram, a safety who has registered 77 combined tackles and assists for the Browns, has hit a bump or two himself on his path to Notre Dame and then Kent State. He was undrafted and has done stints with the Cowboys and Jets. He tells Matt, "Be better than me."

    Abram said: "His work ethic from sophomore to junior and senior year has been great. Matt's one you don't have to hit over the head to get him to do his homework or anything. He's a top scholar. He helps my family with my nieces and nephews, and he's becoming more responsible.

    "I think he's still maturing, but it's been more evident the last year or two. Since his transfer, he hasn't had any negative attention drawn to him. He's been honorable. I commend him."

    Elam's also chosen a more deliberate pace on the field.

    "When he came in, he was a defensive player that played offense," Stanley said. "I've been here 14 years, and the biggest thing I've noticed that you can do to help them in high school is slow them down. [Running backs] run full speed, run past holes. He was running full speed. If it wasn't there, he'd just slam into somebody.

    "But it's amazing how fast he picked things up. And all the things I'd been hearing about this kid … I saw none of that. In the first few games [in '08], he wasn't getting a lot of carries like he had been. I saw a play where he went down sideline for a pass and we threw to another receiver, and the kid scored. Matt kind of starting jumping up and down looking frustrated, and I grabbed him when he came to the sideline. He said, 'I can't believe I missed that block.'"

    The murder last year of Donald, who had been in and out of prison multiple times -- at 14, he was the youngest person in Palm Beach County ever charged with murder before being acquitted -- may have turned Matt once and for all. Donald was 33 when he died.

    "We were getting close; that's all I can tell you," Matt said. "Nobody knows who killed him, or why."

    There is no debate about Matt's impact.

    The Panthers lost their first game and have won 14 straight since. Elam's rushed 193 times for 1,897 yards (a 9.8-yard average) for 29 touchdowns, and he's relentless on defense.

    In last week's state semifinal win over Armwood, he rushed for 182 yards and two touchdowns, returned an interception 55 yards for a score, recovered a fumble to set up a touchdown, and set up another score with another interception. He followed that up with a 188-yard, three-touchdown performance in the championship game.

    His abilities -- and his improved countenance -- afford him opportunities.

    Elam committed to Florida in the fall of 2008, embracing Gators coach Urban Meyer, who as an assistant had helped recruit Abram to Notre Dame.

    "Since that day [Meyer] came to my house, we've have had a good relationship," Elam said. "He looks outside of football, and he feels like his job is to make a person better."

    There are other windows of opportunity, though, and they can be found on Internet rumor mills.

    Elam has said he's intrigued by the possibility of playing with Jeff Luc, ESPNU's No. 1-rated middle linebacker. The Port St. Lucie star recently committed to Florida State.

    Lane Kiffin has been around on behalf of Tennessee. Georgia and West Virginia remain under consideration. There have even been suggestions that Elam is considering Ohio State so that he might be closer to Abram.

    If Elam is going to change his mind, he'll have to do it soon.

    He and Abram visited Florida last weekend (the Browns played Pittsburgh on a Thursday), and Stanley and Dwyer head coach Jack Daniels were Gators teammates in the late 1980s. Elam's Dwyer teammates Gerald Christian (TE) and Robert Clark (WR-CB) also have committed to Florida.

    So Matt Elam is standing in the Gators' doorway, but with options, as his mother and a younger sister may move wherever he goes.

    "Urban Meyer is a genuine person," Abram said. "But I was one of the ones that told Matt even though he committed to take his other visits and see what's out there. He's not obligated to anyone yet, and this is a once-in-a-lifetime chance.

    "I think location doesn't matter. Matt wants to go to a place where he's comfortable, and he can win. He's competitive, and wherever he ends up he's going to fight to play."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Arthur Brown in the 2nd round. What great value we've got there. Ozzie doing work! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    Smell of smugness in here :-)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭kevohmsford


    Brandon Williams is the 3rd Round Pick. This guy looks like a beast.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/brandon-williams?id=2539645


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Brandon Williams is the 3rd Round Pick. This guy looks like a beast.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/brandon-williams?id=2539645

    Bye-bye Terrance Cody.

    Great draft so far, Brown in the second round was superb. Hopefully Ozzie can pick up a couple of gems in the lower rounds and we're looking very good. A wide receiver next up would be nice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Cody is on 930k salary cap for this year, still on his rookie contract

    He'll be kept around as cheap depth

    But his career as a starter is finished for sure


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    There a few videos around about Brandon Williams.

    A very humble and hard working guy :)



    And here is a college player getting crushed :eek:

    Brandon_original_original.jpg?1354115342

    Welcome, welcome.
    Looks to be a beast!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    John Simon seems to be very good value in round 4:

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Round-4-Ravens-Select-LB-John-Simon/a68349e2-4113-49e8-a003-3b56f4efa4c9
    The Ravens have continued their efforts to upgrade their front seven.

    They added Ohio State linebacker John Simon in the fourth round Saturday with pick No. 129.

    Simon, 6-foot-1 and 257 pounds, is a hybrid defensive end/outside linebacker who can help bolster the pass rush as part of a defensive rotation. He was the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year after finishing last season with 44 tackles, nine sacks and 14.5 tackles for loss.

    “They’re just a tough, hard-nosed team and I feel that’s how I play the game,” Simon said after getting picked. “I’m just excited to be part of the organization and look forward to getting to practice.”

    As has been the trend for the Ravens this draft, they picked up another defensive leader.

    Simon was a two-time captain for the Buckeyes and Head Coach Urban Meyer routinely referred to him as the “heart and soul” of the team. Meyer credited Simon for his toughness and even said that he would consider naming a son after Simon.

    “If we have another child, I want to name him Urban John Simon Meyer or something,” Meyer said last season. “That’s how much I love that guy.”

    Head coach John Harbaugh referenced Meyer's press conference (video below) where he talked about naming a son after Simon, and said it gives a good indication of the kind of person the Ravens are getting.

    "It probably says it all," Harbaugh said.

    Simon was a three-year starter at Ohio State and first two-time captain since Rams linebacker James Laurinaitis played for the Buckeyes.

    He was a versatile defender who worked at both outside linebacker and defensive end, and he’s known for his relentless motor. He most likely projects as an outside linebacker in the Ravens’ scheme, but said he’ll go “wherever they want me to play.”

    “I’m going to do whatever it takes to be the best I can to help the team out any way possible, whatever that role is,” he said. “I’m going to do everything I can to be the best possible player for the Baltimore Ravens I can be.”

    Simon has drawn comparisons to former Ravens outside linebacker Jarret Johnson, who was a hard-nosed player that started a franchise-record 129 straight games for Baltimore.

    “He is our kind of guy,” Harbaugh said. “Jarret Johnson was a Raven, and he always will be. So, it’s probably a good comparison.”

    Simon will join a crowded group of linebackers, which includes Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Courtney Upshaw, Albert McClellan and Pernell McPhee, who is planning to play rush end this year. Suggs and Dumervil are the most likely candidates to start, but Upshaw, McClellan and McPhee all have starting experience.

    While it’s a packed competition, General Manager Ozzie Newsome has said on a number of occasions that he’s always looking to add more pass rushers.

    “That’s what you go into the National Football League for, is to compete against the best, and I’m looking forward to the challenge and I’m looking forward to start practicing,” Simon said.

    Simon dealt with some injuries in college, battling shoulder and knee injuries his senior season. Those injuries don’t appear to be a concern now, and Simon said he’ll be ready for rookie minicamp next week.

    “My health is 100 percent,” he said. “I’m good to go.”

    Another leadership guy that we seem to have targeted, as most of our picks have been team captains in college.

    Some analysis from CBS Sports:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664625/john-simon
    Strengths: Simon has a motor that never quits, playing extremely relentless as one of the best attacking defenders in college football the past few years. He has a strong upper body to swat and use his limbs to beat blocks with the natural power and forceful playing style to keep blockers off balance and shed.

    Simon does a nice job setting the edge against the run and takes on blocks destructively, staying disciplined with excellent recognition skills. He takes aggressive angles in the run game and doesn't play hesitant, trusting his eyes and reacting in a flash. Simon tackles through the ballcarrier and has strong wrists and hands to secure stops, rarely missing tackles. He has good short-area quickness with good snap anticipation and dip off the edge to bend around the tackle and gain a step on blockers.

    Simon plays every snap as if it's his last and doesn't know how to go half speed, playing motivated and focused. He is a smart, heady player to make impact plays against the run and pass, getting his hands up at the line of scrimmage. Simon is a two-year captain and there isn't a lot he hasn't seen, leading Ohio State as the heart of the team. He closes quickly and plays with excellent pursuit on defense and special teams coverage. Simon has versatile experience at both LE and RE, standing up and with his hand in the dirt, also moving inside to DT at times.

    WEAKNESSES: Simon is almost too bulked up, which limits his fluidity, and he lacks ideal arm length, making it tough for him to disengage at times. He is more of a one-speed rusher and doesn't flash consistent explosion, lacking creativity as an edge rusher. Struggled to cover running backs or tight ends in one-on-one coverage at the Senior Bowl, lacking the natural hip movement or footwork to quickly adjust and blanket his man.

    Simon plays too energetic at times and will wear himself out due to his relentless attitude. He takes overaggressive angles at times and needs to control his intensity (roughing the passer penalty vs. California, 2012).

    Simon suffered a minor right knee injury (bursa sac) against Wisconsin in 2012, missing the Michigan game (his final collegiate game).

    COMPARES TO: Allen Bailey, DE, Kansas City Chiefs - It's tough to find an exact comparison for Simon, but Bailey comes close with their muscular frames, quick feet and relentless attitude. Simon isn't as big as Bailey (285 pounds), but he's just as strong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Walter Football grades for our draft picks:

    http://walterfootball.com/offseason2013bal.php
    32. Matt Elam, S, Florida: B+ Grade
    Patient Ozzie Newsome gets his way again. He was targeting Matt Elam among other prospects and got his man without panicking. Elam fills a big need at safety across from Michael Huff. He also fits the range and could have gone a bit earlier than this.

    56. Arthur Brown, ILB, Kansas State: A+ Grade
    This is the best pick of the second round. Arthur Brown may have been chose in the 20 range had he been completely healthy. He'll heal up, and Ozzie Newsome will end up with another draft-day steal. Brown is as best of a successor to Ray Lewis as Baltimore could have obtained in the 2013 NFL Draft.

    94. Brandon Williams, NT, Missouri Southern: A- Grade
    Brandon Williams dominated the Senior Bowl, so there was speculation that he would be drafted somewhere in Round 2. That apparently was not the case, but the Ravens are not complaining because they were able to land another great value. Baltimore signed Marcus Spears and Chris Canty this offseason, but neither is the long-term solution on the defensive line.

    129. John Simon, DE/OLB, Ohio State: B+ Grade
    You can never have enough pass-rushers, so while John Simon doesn't fit an immediate need, he could be useful down the road or in the wake of injuries. He was seen by some as a third-round prospect (I had him in the fourth), so this is yet another good value pick by Ozzie Newsome.

    130. Kyle Juszczyk, FB, Harvard: C+ Grade
    I think this is a bit early for a fullback, considering that some teams don't even use one. The Ravens do, but Vonta Leach is pretty expensive. They want someone to challenge him in order to save some money.

    168. Ricky Wagner, OT, Wisconsin: B Grade
    The Ravens needed some tackle depth, so this selection makes sense for both a needs and a draft range perspective. He's a right tackle only though, so he's definitely not a replacement for Bryant McKinnie.

    200. Kapron Lewis-Moore, DE/DT, Notre Dame: B Grade
    Like the 49ers, Baltimore had so many draft picks that it could draft someone it could redshirt. Kapron Lewis-Moore would have gone higher than this had he not suffered an injury in the championship. He'll be useful down the road once Chris Canty and Marcus Spears move on.

    203. Ryan Jensen, G/OT, Colorado State: B Grade
    Ryan Jensen, widely considered a Round 6-7 prospect, should be able to provide some solid interior line depth.

    238. Aaron Mellette, WR, Elon: A Grade
    Ravens steal, yadda, yadda, yadda. I had Aaron Mellette in the fourth round, so this is tremendous value for him.

    247. Marc Anthony, CB, California: A Grade
    Ravens steal, yadda, yadda, yadda. Marc Anthony was a fourth- or a fifth-round projection, and Baltimore needed some cornerback depth.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    McKinnie has agreed a two year contract. I won't lie, I'm delighted. I know he has his faults and in trusting him I am setting myself up for a massive let down, but he was superb in our playoff run and keeping that same line intact (especially without the retired Birk of course) is vital. When reports of Osemele moving to LT were coming out I was thinking ''oh Christ''.

    LT was probably the one position we really needed to do something about, until now.

    I'm really excited for the upcoming season, our defense has improved on last year (on paper anyway, despite the losses of a few key components who's leadership skills cannot be replaced). I think it will be very entertaining for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    One of our better acquisitions this offseason might just be one of the least noticed, AQ Shipley. Being honest, I can't say I really know him, but those that know more than me seem to like him.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/10/neils-nfl-daily-may-10-2013/
    Oh come on Ozzie, you’re just showing off now. Not content with as good an offseason as anyone, the Ravens are just icing the cake with their recent trade for A.Q. Shipley. Who? Well, Ozzie Newsome and Eric DeCosta know about him even if 95% of the rest of the football world doesn’t. I’ll get into detail about Shipley and why this is such a clever move below, but for the time being it’s worth reiterating why Baltimore is so good.

    Just when you thought they were losing touch by letting Anquan Boldin go because they couldn’t find $5.5m in cap room (although that could still come back to haunt them), they deliver hit after free-agency hit and replace departed players with potentially better options. Two-time Super Bowl winners, I don’t think a third is in the cards next year, but the moves will get them close in 2013 and keep them in the running for another few seasons.

    With the retirement of Matt Birk the Ravens were left with a choice of replacing him with 2012 fourth-rounder Gino Gradkowski, or rookie sixth-rounder Ryan Jensen. Gradkowski played 89 uneventful snaps last year but the majority of those (73) came in a meaningless Week 17 meeting with the Bengals. That’s not enough action to be confident of him making the promotion seamless, and as for Jensen? Who knows?

    A.Q. Shipley was originally drafted by the Steelers, didn’t play for them and after floating through Philadelphia without seeing the field was signed by the Colts the day after Bruce Arians arrived. In March the Colts then signed Samson Satele as their center and gave him a contract that would effectively keep him in Indianapolis for two years. Satele is not a terrible player but has been very inconsistent throughout his career and generally poor in pass protection — indeed, he was the lowest ranked players at his position in Pass Blocking Efficiency in 2012.

    However, he was also injured on occasions last year which gave Shipley a chance to step in, which he did very well indeed. In his first game he played all 100 snaps against the Packers in the one of the surprise wins of the year — in fact, he gave up only a single hurry in 67 pass drops and run blocked effectively.

    He had a few issues in his next opportunity (Week 9) when he faced Paul Soliai of the Dolphins in the running game, but beyond that stood up well when given playing time, which he was to the tune of 476 snaps. In the end we graded him at +6.9 and positive in every facet of play.

    Now maybe the Colts figure Satele was affected by injury and will be OK, but there’s no doubt last year Shipley was a more effective player. This makes the trade of, at very worst, an excellent backup who was due to count less than $0.5m against the cap for a conditional pick, a strange choice if not one that will have fans screaming for Bill Polian’s return anytime soon.

    Also a nice piece on Bernard Pierce:

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/15/secret-superstar-bernard-pierce/
    As our Secret Superstar series rolls on, we come to the defending Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens who, with general manager Ozzie Newsome, have made a name for themselves by finding diamonds in the rough with late-round steals and undrafted gems like Adalius Thomas and Bart Scott.

    Previous years have seen Josh Wilson and Pernell McPhee named as Secret Superstars for the team, with Wilson having moved on to have two up-and-down seasons for the Washington Redskins, never reaching the level of his 2010 season in Baltimore.

    McPhee, on the other hand, saw his second season hindered by injury, especially early in the year, but recovered to finish the season well with 17 total pressures from Week 13 through the playoffs, and figures to continue to be an important role player for the Ravens going forward.

    So who gets the honor this year? Well, despite having a few players step up down the stretch, there was one player who stood out among them all, starring in a backup role. That was rookie running back Bernard Pierce.

    Starting Out Slow, Finishing Strong

    Drafted in the third round of the 2012 NFL Draft out of Temple, Pierce entered the season as the primary backup behind starter Ray Rice, replacing the retired Ricky Williams. Despite this, he saw only 30 carries in the seven games he played during the first half of the season. That’s not to say he didn’t impress though, averaging 4.03 yards after contact of those 30 carries.

    The signs that he was worthy of a bigger role were evident even during a four-carry performance against the Dallas Cowboys, with Pierce forcing three missed tackles and averaging 5.5 yards after contact.

    His strong performance in the first half of the season was obviously noticed by the men who matter in Baltimore, as his role began to grow the later in the season we went. This lead to him racking up 586 of the 734 rushing yards he produced all year, including the playoffs, from Week 10 onward.

    With 33 missed tackles forced as a runner, and a further four as a receiver, he finished the year with an Elusive Rating of 75.7. That number put him third among all running backs that saw at least 25% of their team’s carries, bettering even Adrian Peterson, albeit on a much smaller sample size.

    Room to Grow

    While his rookie season was pretty impressive, there’s still plenty of improvement required from Pierce if he wants to develop into a three-down running back. We didn’t get to see much of him as a receiver, which is to be expected when you’ve got a player like Ray Rice atop the depth chart. Despite forcing four missed tackles from eight receptions, we really need to see more of him in that role to find out if he can truly be a threat as a receiver out of the backfield.

    The biggest area of concern from his rookie year was in pass protection, as it was the only area of his game where he finished with a negative grade. Allowing a sack, a hit and three hurries might not seem like much, but coming on just 38 pass blocking attempts it was simply too much pressure to permit.

    That’s likely part of the reason he saw such little action as a receiver, with his pass blocking enough of a liability to limit him on obvious passing downs. Here’s hoping he can improve on that in his second season in the league and give the Ravens even more reason to keep him on the field going forward.

    Stealing Carries From Rice?

    There’s no doubting that Ray Rice is a bigger threat than Pierce as a receiver out of the backfield, with Rice reeling in over 60 receptions in each of the past four seasons. However, when you look at the pair purely as runners, it might surprise you to learn that Pierce is the more productive.

    We’ve already highlighted how impressive he was at forcing missed tackles but, putting it in context, he finished the regular season with 21 missed tackles forced as a runner compared to Rice’s 20. This was despite Rice seeing 149 more carries than his rookie counterpart.

    On top of that, Pierce averaged 1.12 more yards after contact per carry than Rice. Simply put, he did more than Rice beyond the help of their offensive line and, all in all, was a better pure runner. The problem for Pierce is that he needs to work on the other aspects of his game and improve enough that the Ravens can trust him on the field regardless of the situation. That would allow him to see even more touches offensively and grow into a much bigger part of the Ravens’ offense.

    Despite those concerns, there are plenty of reasons to expect Pierce to improve on what was still an impressive rookie season. It may have been on a limited sample size, but Pierce produced and gained yards beyond the work of his offensive line all throughout the season as opposed to just one game skewing the numbers.

    He may be unlikely to unseat Rice as the man atop the running back depth chart in Baltimore, but a bigger role than he had at the start of 2012, and even late in the year, seems inevitable as we head toward the 2013 season. It’ll be up to Pierce to continue to produce as he did and, if he does, he won’t be considered a secret for much longer.

    And a paragraph on what McKinnie signing means for the rest of the O-line. Just look at the difference between Oher's statistics at RT and LT!

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/03/neils-nfl-daily-may-3-2013/
    It’s not that Bryant McKinnie is performing brilliantly at this stage of his career which makes this a good move for Baltimore — he’s not — it’s more the positive ripple effect across the rest of the line. He didn’t start a single game until the playoffs in 2012, and other than the wild card game against the Colts was broadly average in every regard from then on in. However, starting him at left tackle allowed Michel Oher to go back to right tackle which, in turn, gave them the facility to move Kelechi Osemele to left guard. Now, moving Oher didn’t immediately make him a better player but I’m convinced all the changing positions is having a detrimental effect. To get better at any task requires constant repetition — the facility to ingrain the physical into the subconscious and the two positions require different somatic responses. How can a player who is being asked to play two different positions be as good as if he was asked to concentrate on just one? If it was down to me (Ravens fans send a silent blessing to whichever god they worship that I’m not) I’d put him at RT and leave him there — here’s why.

    Over the course of his career, starting in 2009, here is our grading for Oher broken down by position:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Good read on our rookie development programme, especially after Mike was talking about Tavon Austin finding lots of people coming out of the woodwork looking for money when he signed his deal with the Rams.

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Rookie-Development-Program-Critical-For-Ravens/a0905da4-d93e-4f6a-bebc-ab9cc88d856e
    The Ravens rookie class filed into to the auditorium Monday night after a full day of practice, workouts and playbook study.

    All of their football responsibilities were done, but they still had work left to do.

    As they will do every day for the next month, the rookies settled in for an hour-long daily seminar with Ravens Director of Player Development Harry Swayne. The program features a series of courses to help them make the transition to the NFL and all of the challenges that come with being a professional athlete.

    “For a lot of them, this is their first job, unless they were a paper boy, or delivered pizza, or grocery bagger,” Swayne said. “This is really their first legitimate workplace, so there is a lot to transition. And it’s not’s just getting them comfortable in this workplace, it’s also to get them thriving.”

    Swayne is the instructor for the seminars, which touch on a number of topics including financial management, media training, relationship advice and just general workplace information. He’ll also bring in speakers from a variety of fields to provide different perspectives.

    “More than anything, it instills in your mind that football is not forever,” rookie fullback Kyle Juszczyk said. “Even while we are here playing football, we still have to be looking toward things we can do after football. While you’re here, all you’re really thinking about is football, but these seminars kind of open your eyes.”

    The bulk of the program focuses on finances, or as Swayne likes to put it, “learning to manage your money so that your money doesn’t manage you.”

    It’s a critical area for rookies who find themselves in a position where they’re making more money than they ever have before. They have a short window of opportunity to make a lot of money – the average NFL career is still less than four years – and Swayne’s priority is to provide education on how to make that money last long after they’re done playing.

    Sports Illustrated estimated in 2009 that 78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within two years of ending their playing careers, and Swayne’s goal is to keep players from being part of that statistic.

    “We try to get the topics where they’re most likely to fail,” Swayne said. “We do banking 101. I don’t take anything for granted, that a kid knows how to set up a bank account, open a savings account, what to use a savings account for, a checking account, what goes on a check. I don’t take any of that for granted.”

    Financial education isn’t the only focus of the program.

    The rookies get an overview of some general office behavior, and they also delve into more sensitive topics such as sex and relationships.

    “We do a sexually transmitted disease workshop on the first Friday that they’re here on purpose to ruin their weekend,” Swayne said with a laugh. “It’s kind of an in-your-face presentation. They thank me a lot after that.”

    Swayne, who was a 15-year NFL veteran, has an ability to connect with the rookies. He commands respect when he steps to the front of the room, and the players identify with his message.

    “He’s been through it,” tackle Michael Oher said. “I’m sure that he made a lot of mistakes that a lot of young guys make, so he can steer you in the right direction before something bad happens.”

    Swayne’s ability to mentor young players has been pointed to by members of the Ravens brass lately as a part of the leadership dynamic within the locker room.

    He meets with every rookie and new signing when they come into the organization, and spends time getting to know them on a personal level. He watches practice every day to see how players carry themselves in competition, and he regularly meets with them during meals in the team cafeteria.

    From the time the rookies step foot in Baltimore, Swayne is there to greet them and ensure they have support.

    “When they come here they figure out that the Ravens care,” Swayne said. “And it’s not just from afar, but up close and personal. You can care about a guy and say ‘We’re going to send you some emails, so you have the right contact information and the resources to get it done.’ Or you can go up to him, and ask him specifically what he needs to figure out how to best deliver it.”

    Part of Swayne’s responsibility is to connect with players with troubled backgrounds. He works to determine which players need more attention, and tries to help keep them from repeating mistakes.

    When he meets with a player who has been in trouble, the message he stresses is honesty.

    “We just put it right out there. This is how the Ravens do it, even though sometimes the truth hurts,” Swayne said. “One part about being the Ravens is that we speak the truth. We’re not averse to hearing bad news about ourselves. We can handle it. We can take it. We got broad shoulders. Tell me what I’m doing wrong and give me a chance to correct it. That’s a very Raven way to go about things.”

    The other key component of the rookie development program is pairing every rookie with a veteran mentor. A handful of veterans are asked to be mentors by Swayne, O.J. Brigance and team chaplain Rod Hairston, and they meet with their rookie mentees each week throughout the season.

    They talk about a variety of issues, whether it’s football topics, relationship advice or guidance on buying a car.

    “I think it helps the rookies just simply because there’s an accountability naturally set up when they agree to put themselves under the authority of another man,” Swayne said. “Right off the bat they’re trying to do the right thing.”

    The mentorships continue driving home the message that Swayne begins delivering from the time the rookies first arrive. They create accountability and foster relationships, and help give young players a big picture of how to maximize their time in the NFL.

    That’s the focus for Swayne, and it’s one of the most important facets of the incoming players becoming true professionals.

    “What I’m trying to do with them in the short amount of time that I’ve got them is get them ready to change their mindset from a student-athlete on scholarship, to a professional athlete in a workplace,” Swayne said. “At the same time, we’re also getting them ready to leave because the average player career is still less than four years. And we get all that done in 20 total hours, one hour a day.”


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    The Shipley trade is a strange one! I thought the Colts would cut Satele but maybe they wanted that bit of experience with all the O-Line changes!

    Hard to judge Shipley as he was surrounded by mediocrity (that's being generous) last year when he played, so how much help he'll give ye this year is hard to judge!

    One word of caution is that the Colts chose Satele over Shipley even though Satele is injury prone, not very good and costing about 3 times as much this year! This either means that the Colts coaching staff don't rate Shipley (I personally hope it's this!) or that they are sticking with Satele because cutting him would show they were wrong to sign him in the first place!

    Anyway as its a conditional pick I hope he starts every game ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Cracking read on the flexibility of our new defense here. There's far too much to copy and paste and there's plenty of diagrams and pictures etc so too, so well worth 10 minutes of your time to read:

    http://presnapreads.com/2013/04/29/analyzing-the-flexibility-of-the-baltimore-ravens-re-tooled-defense/#more-332


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