What do you tell your kids?

Bannasidhe

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'm not too sure about this. Knowing that an idea is rubbish is quite easy. Understanding the social norms regarding what's allowed to be corrected and what isn't is a bit trickier. Then again, I don't think it's too hard to teach a kid to keep schtum when Grandpa goes on about god or that nig-nog on the football team.



I'm not sure if I agree or disagree. Honestly, it's a bit of a pickle. I'd probably lean towards making the kid know that Grandads opinions on things are wrong but we don't say anything because he doesn't know any better. It depends on the grandad too. Not all of them are intellectually deficient.

My father is a racist and a homophobe - he's not that fond of Protestants either.

I had no problem with my son challenging the old bigot. In fact, my issue was with my father spouting his hate filled bile to my son. I don't see why saying 'granddad, I'm not a Catholic' in response to hearing his grandfather 'lay down the law' and demand my unbaptised son make his communion is not acceptable.

MagicMarker

speaking wrote: »

What has a sick picture of a child (cake) having its head sliced open got to do with the Pope.

Why can you just not find both images issues sick. They are.

Speak for yourself, I think it looks delicious. Mmmmmmm

Bannasidhe

speaking wrote: »

Interesting story.

True story.

BTW how is asking why you are attacking people an insult?

0r did the italics around the word story mean something other then implying I am a liar?

speaking

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I don't think you understood what I meant.

No I understood.

No, you are trying to distract from the fact that someone was undermined by a child by saying the child shouldn't be encouraged to do that. If someone has a belief that a four year old can undermine then they really should reconsider the belief, regardless of how well mannered the child was in doing so.

A four year old can undermine a grand parent if they are rude to them. I mean being disrespectful rather than undermining really, but its a pedantic point.

Obviously it not the child's intent but the disrespect occurs. Its good parenting that nips this kind of thing in the bud.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Hence people are so proud that their four year old can point out when an adult is wrong.

Its having an understanding of when to point things out and when NOT to point things out that would make me more proud of my kids as a parent. Again we will have to just agree to disagree.

speaking

MagicMarker wrote: »

Speak for yourself, I think it looks delicious. Mmmmmmm

Do you think any act of depravity against a child depicted in a cake like this is okay??

Where would you draw the line?

After all it is only a cake.

No harm there.

Sonics2k

speaking wrote: »

Do you think any act of depravity against a child depicted in a cake like this is okay??

Where would you draw the line?

After all it is only a cake.

No harm there.

Yeah basically. I've seen them in the shape of ejaculating penises, a womans breasts (can get those in tesco actually) and a whole load more.

It's a cake. Calm down.

kylith

speaking wrote: »

Oh now I see, watching a baby in the shape of a cake have its head sliced open, now thats so funny I really can see there the nuanced humor all right.

Maybe a few of my fellow atheists are playing a little to much 18 rated playstation games me thinks,

Its called dehumanization not to find that image sick.

But see I am probably too stupid to understand the nuance in that.

Where do we stop folks?

You do know that people make cakes like this to celebrate the birth of babies, right, and that's probably what that cake was for? God-fearing people, even. It's just a slightly creepy cake, probably bought by American christians more than by atheists. Cakewrecks.com has a whole section of them.

branie

So, do you give ther facts of life, instead of saying they were found under a head of cabbage or, in my family, you came from god's pocket?

speaking

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yeah basically. I've seen them in the shape of ejaculating penises, a womans breasts (can get those in tesco actually) and a whole load more.

It's a cake. Calm down.

I am not talking about any image I am talking about any image of a child/baby being tortured abuse defiled etc.

Do you think any image of a child being tortured abused defiled in a cake like this is okay?

Other images as you describe are not part of my question. I note however that despite my question being directly related to children, you give examples not relating to children.

Its a cake depicting a adult cutting into a babys skull. Now, that adult must though it was funny enough to make the cake or buy it somewhere. That same adult along with others thought it would be funny to stand around and laugh about cutting into the skull.

And another adult thought it was funny to video it and put it on the net.

Post modern subtle humor its not.

speaking

kylith wrote: »

You do know that people make cakes like this to celebrate the birth of babies, right, and that's probably what that cake was for? God-fearing people, even. It's just a slightly creepy cake, probably bought by American christians more than by atheists. Cakewrecks.com has a whole section of them.

its the act of cutting a baby's head like that that freaks me out. Not the cake. its the act of posting it on a forum to make a stupid point that freaks me out. its the complete lack of understanding that this image is dehumanizing.

Dades

speaking wrote: »

Dades is that not an example of attacking the poster?

Well it was really more of a question? Its hardly in the same league as the post I quoted before.

Sonics2k

speaking wrote: »

I am not talking about any image I am talking about any image of a child/baby being tortured abuse defiled etc.

Do you think any image of a child being tortured abused defiled in a cake like this is okay?

Other images as you describe are not part of my question. I note however that despite my question being directly related to children, you give examples not relating to children.

Its a cake depicting a adult cutting into a babys skull. Now, that adult must though it was funny enough to make the cake or buy it somewhere. That same adult along with others thought it would be funny to stand around and laugh about cutting into the skull.

And another adult thought it was funny to video it and put it on the net.

Post modern subtle humor its not.

Actually, as it's a cake I have no problem with it.

What I do have is those who abuse images of sick or malformed children on the likes of Facebook to get lots of extra attention.

This whole "Like if you think she's gorgeous, comment for one prayer to God" bullshít things are -completely- offensive to me. They use -real- children to get extra friends, likes and increase their e-peens. That is sick and offensive.

A picture of a cake in the shape of a child is nothing more than a twisted joke.

Mark Hamill

speaking wrote: »

No I understood.

If you understood then you would not be blathering on about respect.

speaking wrote: »

A four year old can undermine a grand parent if they are rude to them. I mean being disrespectful rather than undermining really, but its a pedantic point.

Obviously it not the child's intent but the disrespect occurs. Its good parenting that nips this kind of thing in the bud.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Its hard to agree to disagree when we aren't talking about the same things. It is not disrespectful to undermine someone, to point out why they are wrong in a simple, compelling way. It is disrespectful to treat them like glass brained idiots that can't take the honest questioning of a young child.
But thats besides my point. Disrespectful or otherwise, if you believe in something that a four year old can undermine, then you really need to re-evaluate that thing, before you complain about the four year old.

speaking wrote: »

Its having an understanding of when to point things out and when NOT to point things out that would make me more proud of my kids as a parent. Again we will have to just agree to disagree.

Kids should never be afraid to point things out. And adults should never be afraid to be criticised by a child, not if they have any conviction in what they say. If someone is afraid of their grand kids contradicting them then maybe they should shut up around their grand kids.

Mark Hamill

speaking wrote: »

Do you think any act of depravity against a child depicted in a cake like this is okay??

The cake doesn't depict an act of depravity against a child, it is a cake in the shape of a sleeping child.

speaking

Sonics2k wrote: »

Actually, as it's a cake I have no problem with it.

What I do have is those who abuse images of sick or malformed children on the likes of Facebook to get lots of extra attention.

This whole "Like if you think she's gorgeous, comment for one prayer to God" bullshít things are -completely- offensive to me. They use -real- children to get extra friends, likes and increase their e-peens. That is sick and offensive.

Absolutely your right its very offensive. But nothing what so ever to do with what I am talking about.

A picture of a cake in the shape of a child is nothing more than a twisted joke.

Again you are missing my point. it is the act of cutting through the skull in this way. It is a very specific and vivid image. It is dehumanizing and sick.

maybe I just don't get it. Call me thick or over sensitive. its a creepy and sick clip.

speaking

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The cake doesn't depict an act of depravity against a child, it is a cake in the shape of a sleeping child.

True but the act of slicing through the skull like that does depict and act of depravity?? It looks sick, Creepy, nasty juvenile. Its horrible. Now you can say its just a person cutting into a cake, taking the piss out of the cake more than actually anything else, but posting it on the net, the adults looking on, the vividness of the image, it actually becomes something more, or actually something that it actually is.

Mark again we will have to agree to disagree.

Mark Hamill

speaking wrote: »

I am not talking about any image I am talking about any image of a child/baby being tortured abuse defiled etc.

Do you think any image of a child being tortured abused defiled in a cake like this is okay?

One year my nephew got a birthday cake with an edible photo of himself printed on it. He took great joy in slicing through it (and sticking his fingers in it). Was he torturing himself?
The cake, and the gif are not images of a baby being defiled or tortured. They are cake. Stop pretending to be offended.

speaking

Mark Hamill wrote: »

One year my nephew got a birthday cake with an edible photo of himself printed on it. He took great joy in slicing through it (and sticking his fingers in it). Was he torturing himself?
The cake, and the gif are not images of a baby being defiled or tortured. They are cake. Stop pretending to be offended.

They are a gif of an adult cutting off a babys head in a cake as an act of humor, Presumably. That is what it is. Where is the humor?

Why are trying to equate two completely different things as the same.

The context of both is completely different so there is no analogy. They are completely different scenarios.

The image as it is depicted in that manner is disgusting creepy nasty.

For those of you who think this image is funny that's fine. I appreciate your view but for me its deeply creepy it that context. its an appalling image.

Mark Hamill

speaking wrote: »

Why are trying to equate two completely different things as the same.

The context of both is completely different so there is no analogy. They are completly different scenarios.

They are both cakes were slicing through the images of children are necessary to eat the cake, so I fail to see the difference. You are choosing to be offended.

speaking wrote: »

The image as it is depicted in that manner is disgusting creepy nasty.

Its creepy, but only the first time, when you might not immediately realise its a cake. After that? I don't see why it would continue to be creepy.

speaking

Mark Hamill wrote: »

They are both cakes were slicing through the images of children are necessary to eat the cake, so I fail to see the difference. You are choosing to be offended.

In your case a child sliced through a picture of himself anddid not intentionally slice directly through his head in a direct attempt to be a sick and deprived.


2. the were adults slicing through a baby's head.

3. I take it the nine year old in your case was not juvenile enough to take a digital image and put on the net in an act of "humor".

Its creepy, but only the first time, when you might not immediately realise its a cake. After that? I don't see why it would continue to be creepy.

Its the act of adults thinking it funny to slice through a cake in that manner thats the sick part cant you see that.

If any adult I knew sliced though a cake in an image of a child like the one in question I would seriously question there cop on morally would you not?? I would at least look at them and think funny man (read sick fuvk)

Thats me finished with this for a while.

If I am the only person who finds the image disturbing. So be it.

Out of here for good.

speaking

Bannasidhe wrote: »

True story.

BTW how is asking why you are attacking people an insult?

0r did the italics around the word story mean something other then implying I am a liar?

No I am sure you are not making the story up. Italics was not meant to suggest that.

I don't believe I attacked people on this thread? Did I?

Mark Hamill

speaking wrote: »

In your case a child sliced through a picture of himself anddid not intentionally slice directly through his head in a direct attempt to be a sick and deprived.

No, he put his fingers directly through both of his eyes in the picture and then cut slices lengthways alone the portrait. Why do you think that the people in the gif where intentionally trying to be sick and depraved? Its been pointed out that these cakes can bought for things like celebrating new borns and the like.

speaking wrote: »

3. I take it the nine year old in your case was not juvenile enough to take a digital image and put on the net in an act of "humor".

Only because he doesn't know how.

speaking wrote: »

Its the act of adults thinking it funny to slice through a cake in that manner thats the sick part cant you see that.

It's a cake, how else do you take it apart for everyone to eat? Would you have preferred it of everyone in teh give just put their hands in and pulled it apart?

speaking wrote: »

If any adult I knew sliced though a cake in an image of a child like the one in question I would seriously question there cop on morally would you not??

It's a cake. In the shape of a sleeping baby. Were does morality come into it?

EDIT: Any chance we can return to the other discussion? Its more interesting than manufactured outrage at a cake.

Zoria

I don't understand the whole internet obsession with eating babies, it's bizarre if you ask me. Aside to that, I don't understand how a thread about discussing faith or lack of it with children has come to the most recent posts either. Perhaps we should merge the discussions. If we don't know how to discuss faith, or lack of it to our offspring, we should just eat them?

speaking

Mark Hamill wrote: »

No, he put his fingers directly through both of his eyes in the picture and then cut slices lengthways alone the portrait.


Only because he doesn't know how.

Yes he is a child




[/QUOTE]It's a cake, how else do you take it apart for everyone to eat? Would you have preferred it of everyone in teh give just put their hands in and pulled it apart?


It's a cake. In the shape of a sleeping baby. Were does morality come into it?[/QUOTE]

They deliberately cut the head off first.

Either you think its creepy or not.

Mark we have different versions about what to expect from adults behavior.

they cut the head off.
took a pic
put it on the net.

Why for no other reason then they were cutting a cake. FFS Mark a bit of honesty in the way you debate please.

MagicMarker

Oh the horror, the horror of it all!!!!











Those sick ****ing ****ers.

kylith

They didn't cut off the head first, you can clearly see that the torso is already gone.

I had a cake in the shape of a pony once. Is that disgusting for depicting the decapitation of an animal?

marienbad

Jeez- Speaking can you please just let it go ? You must know by now that we like to have our baby cake and eat it ! What is so wrong with that ?

After all cannibalism has a long tradition in Christianity.

Bannasidhe

speaking wrote: »

No I am sure you are not making the story up. Italics was not meant to suggest that.

I don't believe I attacked people on this thread? Did I?

Then what did the italics suggest?

Turtwig

Speaking has closed his/her account so no point in asking any further questions.

I, er, the cake. Um, I have to be honest I didn't expect that. The cake gif made me squirm a little at first, but I got over it I'm somebody who can't even watch violent scenes in Criminal Minds nevermind Games of Thrones without having to look away from the screen. I. did. not. expect. that.

Bannasidhe

Jernal wrote: »

Speaking has closed his/her account so no point in asking any further questions.

I, er, the cake. Um, I have to be honest I didn't expect that. The cake gif made me squirm at little at first, but I got over it I'm somebody who can't even watch violent scenes in Criminal Minds nevermind Games of Thrones. I. did. not. expect. that.

Bloody thing gave me the heebie jeebies.

MagicMarker

Jernal wrote: »

Speaking has closed his/her account so no point in asking any further questions.

Turtwig

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Bloody thing gave me the heebie jeebies.

I know that fascinates me, it's not even real, yet you can show me a picture of a starving child or baby with a terminal illness and I'll barely bat an eye lid. Even when I know in advance which one is real, which 'baby' is actually experiencing excruciating pain, I still only squirm at the cake. God really f**ked us up.

Mark Hamill

speaking wrote: »

Yes he is a child

And?

speaking wrote: »

They deliberately cut the head off first.

Either you think its creepy or not.

Mark we have different versions about what to expect from adults behavior.

they cut the head off.
took a pic
put it on the net.

EDIT: and now I see your account is closed. Well that's just marvellous.


Who am I talking to?

Why for no other reason then they were cutting a cake. FFS Mark a bit of honesty in the way you debate please.

Honesty? You are the one who is saying that the gif of the baby cake is a "direct attempt to be a sick and deprived." How do you know that it wasn't a celebration cake for a newborn baby and some one just recorded it because of how odd it looked? Its a bit rich to ask for honesty when you are the one making up context to suit your own argument.

Gbear

Mark Hamill wrote: »

manufactured outrage at a cake.

One of the better sentences I've seen.

Sycopat

Honest confession: I don't find the cake .gif creepy at all. (Some of the ones above now... Push Olivia push especially... did give me a seconds 'WTF?' although I think that's mostly "Who the **** thought this was a good idea")

It just doesn't look like a real baby to me.

Maybe a lifetime of horror books and movies, as well as a steady diet of graphic video games, comic books and cartoons have dehumanized me.

Or maybe I've just gotten really good at differentiating reality from fiction.

I guess we won't know until unless I snap.

I don't have kids though.

I like to think I'd try to instill in them some wonder for the world we live in though. I'd probably tell them no one know and ramble on about chemistry and physics and biology for as long as they were interested (And then a bit longer. I will be a terribly boring father at times. )

magicbastarder

Zoria

Sycopat wrote: »

I like to think I'd try to instill in them some wonder for the world we live in though. I'd probably tell them no one know and ramble on about chemistry and physics and biology for as long as they were interested (And then a bit longer. I will be a terribly boring father at times. )

That is how you perceive you think you would be, but it may not be the case if you actually were a parent. I never cared for religion as an adult, however I've posters all over my childrens rooms of the maps of the world, assorted countries, the solar system etc. A natural interest came to one of my sons a couple of months back in the solar system. He is now obsessed with it, and is back to back watching episodes of Patrick Moore. He is to begin 3rd class in September, and has an extensive knowledge on the subject at this stage, I think he will surprise his teacher if asked. This is the same boy that asks me about God. I wants to know about the divide there, but I don't have anything to give him on that one.