Who's your favourite serial killer?

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stupidusername wrote: »

all the drugs...

but really, yeah of course it's to do with their upbringing.

Psychopathy is genetic. Upbringing can release their worst instincts but no psychopath can be normal even when given a loving, nurturing, caring upbringing.

pdbhp

Spunge wrote: »

Seriel killer thread with 100 posts
Rapist thread insta-locked, everyone shocked.

stay logical, AH.

Well serial killing is well serialised on TV and in media whereas rape is more taboo and really horrible all rapists are pieces of human excramant!

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pdbhp wrote: »

Well serial killing is well serialised on TV and in media whereas rape is more taboo and really horrible all rapists are pieces of human excramant!

That's not terribly logical as a large proportion of serial killers rape/sexually torture their victims.

stupidusername

up for anything wrote: »

Psychopathy is genetic. Upbringing can release their worst instincts but no psychopath can be normal even when given a loving, nurturing, caring upbringing.

link?

and are all serial killers psychopaths?

af_thefragile

stupidusername wrote: »

link?

and are all serial killers psychopaths?

I wouldn't say there's a clear genetic link to one becoming a psychopath mostly because there is no clear pathology associated with psychopaths.
Like for example people with alzhimers who have very clear pathology in their brains which can confirm the disease, one can't find that with psychopaths.
If there's any genetic link it is likely to be multifactorial which usually is very difficult to prove.

Most of the theories on serial killers seem to focus on their childhood psychological development becoming messed up due to bad or in occasions truly messed up parenting.

As W.H. Auden said it... "those to whom evil is done. Do evil in return".

Galwayguy35

Leonard Lake and Charles Ng.
Now these were 2 brutal SOB's

Scanlas The 2nd

pdbhp wrote: »

Spunge wrote: »

Seriel killer thread with 100 posts
Rapist thread insta-locked, everyone shocked.

stay logical, AH.

Well serial killing is well serialised on TV and in media whereas rape is more taboo and really horrible all rapists are pieces of human excramant!

Whatever rationalisation works for ya.

stupidusername

af_thefragile wrote: »

I wouldn't say there's a clear genetic link to one becoming a psychopath mostly because there is no clear pathology associated with psychopaths.
Like for example people with alzhimers who have very clear pathology in their brains which can confirm the disease, one can't find that with psychopaths.
If there's any genetic link it is likely to be multifactorial which usually is very difficult to prove.

Most of the theories on serial killers seem to focus on their childhood psychological development becoming messed up due to bad or in occasions truly messed up parenting.

As W.H. Auden said it... "those to whom evil is done. Do evil in return".

yeah, anything I've read never mentioned any genetic link or anything biological. it was always about environment and circumstance. much more believable tbh.

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stupidusername wrote: »

link?

and are all serial killers psychopaths?

No, they are not in the strictest sense but from my reading (a few links below - lots more out there on Google) most of them exhibit maybe not all but some of the accepted psychopathic/sociopath traits. Researchers are still looking into the possibility of physical brain malformation or 'wrong wiring' being responsible for these traits. You can say that lots of serial killers had horrendous childhoods but there there are a greater proportion of people who have had terrible childhoods who do not grow up to become serial killers or psychopaths individuals.


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1#four

http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/psychopaths.htm

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/10/10/sociopathic-children-and-psychopathic-traits-during-childhood/

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=50579

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128116806

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127888976

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2242349/

Wattle

I find the West case very interesting. Can't make up my mind whether Rose West was involved in the murders or not. Read a very interesting book on the case called 'She Must Have Known' by Brian Masters which showed how unsound her conviction was. I think it's perfectly possible that Fred carried out the killings on his own. Also there must be other victims that we'll never know about.

Richard Hillman

The Terminator

Richard Hillman

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Richard Hillman wrote: »

The Terminator

Your user namesake.

stupidusername

up for anything wrote: »

No, they are not in the strictest sense but from my reading (a few links below - lots more out there on Google) most of them exhibit maybe not all but some of the accepted psychopathic/sociopath traits. Researchers are still looking into the possibility of physical brain malformation or 'wrong wiring' being responsible for these traits. You can say that lots of serial killers had horrendous childhoods but there there are a greater proportion of people who have had terrible childhoods who do not grow up to become serial killers or psychopaths individuals.

there are lots of abusers that themselves were abused, and lots that don't abuse, but you can't say their abuse has nothing to do with being abused themselves.

I wish I could read all that stuff, but my concentration is quite bad. from what I did read, I could conclude they're saying not all psychopaths are murderers, and not all murderers are psychopaths.

af_thefragile

stupidusername wrote: »

there are lots of abusers that themselves were abused, and lots that don't abuse, but you can't say their abuse has nothing to do with being abused themselves.

I wish I could read all that stuff, but my concentration is quite bad. from what I did read, I could conclude they're saying not all psychopaths are murderers, and not all murderers are psychopaths.

I'm pretty sure its not just bad parenting and abuse that leads one to becoming a serial killer/psychopath.

As you mentioned a lot of people who were abused or had bad childhood do not all end up becoming messed up psycho serial killers. There's a lot more to it than that.

Like some children do seem to have an inherent tendency towards violence. Many have noticed the earliest manifestation of this in children who are cruel towards animals. Children who like to kill animals for fun or just to "see what its like" and such. Like the ones who posted the videos of setting a cat on fire or suffocating cats in plastic bags n other messed up kids like that.

And finally its a bit of like The Joker says "madness is like gravity, all it needs is a little push!".

stupidusername

af_thefragile wrote: »

I'm pretty sure its not just bad parenting and abuse that leads one to becoming a serial killer/psychopath.

As you mentioned a lot of people who were abused or had bad childhood do not all end up becoming messed up psycho serial killers. There's a lot more to it than that.

Like some children do seem to have an inherent tendency towards violence. Many have noticed the earliest manifestation of this in children who are cruel towards animals. Children who like to kill animals for fun or just to "see what its like" and such. Like the ones who posted the videos of setting a cat on fire or suffocating cats in plastic bags n other messed up kids like that.

And finally its a bit of like The Joker says "madness is like gravity, all it needs is a little push!".

so you're saying that your opinion is that it's genetic?

af_thefragile

stupidusername wrote: »

so you're saying that your opinion is that it's genetic?

Maybe genetic or some sporadic mutation somewhere along the line messing up the way the person thinks and behaves. If not all people with messed up childhood would end up becoming serial killers but thats not the case.

A lot of psychiatry and psychology at the end of the day is just waffle with some evidence than A leads to B and C can help correcting that sometimes. Nothing can be properly proved.

stupidusername

af_thefragile wrote: »

Maybe genetic or some sporadic mutation somewhere along the line messing up the way the person thinks and behaves. If not all people with messed up childhood would end up becoming serial killers but thats not the case.

A lot of psychiatry and psychology at the end of the day is just waffle with some evidence than A leads to B and C can help correcting that sometimes. Nothing can be properly proved.

I know none of it can be proven, but isn't the general accepted theory that it's hugely down to environment?

af_thefragile

stupidusername wrote: »

I know none of it can be proven, but isn't the general accepted theory that it's hugely down to environment?

At the end of the day probably.
Good parenting usually leads to good adults.

stupidusername

af_thefragile wrote: »

At the end of the day probably.
Good parenting usually leads to good adults.

so.... you're agreeing with my point? ok

af_thefragile

stupidusername wrote: »

so.... you're agreeing with my point? ok

Its why serial kills draw in the interests of many people because they're almost impossible to explain.

Riddle101

Leatherface, seeing that guy running after you with a Chainsaw would really make you go "Holy f*ck, this guy's going to kill me".

Also does anyone else find this scene funny, or am I just sick and twisted like he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7LApQtSiLI

hoorsmelt

So we've three front runners, Ted Bundy, Richard Kuklinski and Ed Keger. Can someone adda poll so we can adopt an official AH favourite serial killer?

fortwilliam

charlemont wrote: »

Richard Kuklinski

A great book on Richard Kuklinski "The ice Man" and also the youtube videos show how he has/had no emotion about what he was doing, it was a job. Plain and simple.

There was a quote either in the book, or on the video, I can't remember, but it was along the lines of; (He was a hitman for the mob)

"You are a dead man, not when I find you and kill you, you are a dead man when I am given a peice of paper with your name on it. There is nothing that will stop me from killing you, it may take days, weeks, even months, but the moment I have your name, you are dead"

And to his Credit he never once failed to deliver the job.

basillarkin

Le King wrote: »

Not a serial killer but those 3 chaps in the Ukraine should of been hung for what they did. There was a copycat murder in Russia after it too. Some people are just fcuking sick.

Have you a link to this story I did not hear about it?

dave3004

Immortalising Serial Killers is wrong. The media and Madame Tussads and others should be condemned for it.

Why did John Lennon's killer say he killed John Lennon....

"So I will be remembered"

I know his name but I won't say it.

He doesn't deserve his name mentioned.

Decorating killers is sickening

vgv

From wikipedia:
"In 1978 Rodney Alcala, despite his status as a convicted rapist and registered sex offender, was accepted as a contestant on The Dating Game".

lmfao

charlemont

fortwilliam wrote: »

A great book on Richard Kuklinski "The ice Man" and also the youtube videos show how he has/had no emotion about what he was doing, it was a job. Plain and simple.

There was a quote either in the book, or on the video, I can't remember, but it was along the lines of; (He was a hitman for the mob)

"You are a dead man, not when I find you and kill you, you are a dead man when I am given a peice of paper with your name on it. There is nothing that will stop me from killing you, it may take days, weeks, even months, but the moment I have your name, you are dead"

And to his Credit he never once failed to deliver the job.

Yea, He didn't do it for any perverted or other sick reasons it was just all for the cold hard cash. Kind of bloke you could have a pint with, Mind you just the one thought.:D

Corvo

Richard Kuklinski shouldnt really count, he was an emotionless killer, but a contract killer none the less. Their statistics are usually seperated from those of the "kill for pleasure" groups.

Big shout has to be for Richard Ramirez (read "The Nightstalker - The Life and Crimes of Richard Ramirez" by Philip Carlo if you haven't heard of him)

A guy who started out robbing places to keep his addiction fed, only to start to enjoy the power and the death and the control. Kept the eyes of one victim and tortured many others, all in their houses in the middle of the night. The fear he created among every soul in the city was unreal, its as if no one was untouchable and what made it worse was he got you in the one place you felt safe.

Also, the amount of women that followed him after his arrest was sick. One even married him, while another (a juror at his trial) became a PI to try and prove his innocence.

sensibleken

A friend of mines parents were spree killers on death row in the states. One of the most fúcked up childhoods you can imagine considering they brought her along to the killings when she was just a toddler

maxximus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u88lYs4FMTY

maxximus

maxximus wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u88lYs4FMTY

above is a very interesting doc by bbcs horizon entitled Are you good or evil? , definitely worth a watch by anyone with an interest in serial murder

Big Nasty

sensibleken wrote: »

A friend of mines parents were spree killers on death row in the states. One of the most fúcked up childhoods you can imagine considering they brought her along to the killings when she was just a toddler

:eek::eek::eek:

old_aussie

Ivan Milat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backpacker_Murders

Leftist

sensibleken wrote: »

A friend of mines parents were spree killers on death row in the states. One of the most fúcked up childhoods you can imagine considering they brought her along to the killings when she was just a toddler

I believe you.

sensibleken

Richard Chase "the sacramento vampire" is an interesting one. Absolutely unbelievable crazy cannibal who took too much acid and ate a babies brain

old_aussie

MagicMarker wrote: »

Snap, Crackle and Pop.

They were innocent, Kellogs sugared them

du Maurier

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Nope, a serial killer is somebody who usually kills for sexual reasons and there has to be a sufficient amount of time between murders. Kuklinski killed for money just like a hangman in a prison.

Just reading through his wikipedia entry and it seems to me he killed anything at all (apart from women and children, bless him), practicing on innocents, refining his technique. No cash transactions there I'm afraid.

crazygeryy

Are there any irish serial killers? the shankhill butchers are dubbed as serial killers but any one that acted on their own?

maiden

I have 2 favourites, Jeffrey Dahmer and Andrei Chikatilo

Dahmer because of the fact he kept the body parts so close to him!

And Chikatilo becuase he didnt have a 'type' he just killed anyone!

maiden

basillarkin wrote: »

Have you a link to this story I did not hear about it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs

peakle

meow

giles lynchwood

Kojak wrote: »

Give him his right title: BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill)

Dennis to his friends.Watched the video to his trial,he is one cool customer.

cock robin

Peter Kurten AKA The Vampire Of Dusseldorf. One hell of a weirdo.

Loomis

Billy Loomis

Galwayguy35

crazygeryy wrote: »

Are there any irish serial killers? the shankhill butchers are dubbed as serial killers but any one that acted on their own?

Two English guys came over here in the 1970s and killed a number of women, three i think. Shaw and Evans were their names. Still in prison as far as i know.

membersonly

crazygeryy wrote: »

Are there any irish serial killers? the shankhill butchers are dubbed as serial killers but any one that acted on their own?

Oh we've had a few but we really suck at catching them.

Nulty

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Ed Gein only killed 2 people.

One of them had multiple personalities

crazygeryy

Watched doc on jerry brudos yesterday.lovely guy amazing temperament.(sarcasm)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brudos

Lone Stone

Sorry for bumping this but i am writing on this subject at the moment and would like to ask if anyone could give a reason why they have a favourite serial killer or why you find them a interesting subject ?