Banned from Rock & Metal

Jemmaa

Hey, I've got banned from Rock & Metal forum for 1 Month

Banned from Rock & Metal

Hi Jemmaa,

You have been banned from Rock & Metal for the following duration:

1 Month(s)

for the following reason:

Abuse

Providing your ban is not permanent, it will be lifted automatically after 1 Month(s). You will get an automatic message informing you that the ban is lifted. If you do not receive this message after the allotted time, please PM a moderator to clarify.

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In my opinion I did nothing wrong

Malice

Jemmaa wrote: »

In my opinion I did nothing wrong

You were banned for this post:

Ah c'mon man please stop trolling this forum

The post is deleted but the thread is here.
This is not the first time you have had an uncalled-for comment on the Rock & Metal forum. No one, moderator or user, should have to put up with comments like that especially if they have taken the time to involve the forum community in something.

The ban stands as far as I am concerned. Per the diagram at the top of the page you may request an admin to investigate.

Jemmaa

Malice wrote: »

You were banned for this post:

The post is deleted but the thread is here.
This is not the first time you have had an uncalled-for comment on the Rock & Metal forum. No one, moderator or user, should have to put up with comments like that especially if they have taken the time to involve the forum community in something.

The ban stands as far as I am concerned. Per the diagram at the top of the page you may request an admin to investigate.

But it was only my response to your post

Looks like the forum is very quiet tonight:

I wonder is there a VBulletin spamming feature that might get me in trouble?

here
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69824151

You've started 16 threads of 24 on the front page of Rock & Metal forum 1st of January then you worried about your responsibilities for spamming - I can't agree with you more!
So I just tried to give you a hint that this is a very wrong situation in a friendly and delicate manner, like I always do.

That's it Malice, I am never abusing you just that I respect all posters and don't want them to move out my favourite forum because of front page is full of spam.

Now please lift your ban and let me play with my friends I need them badly.

Malice

Just so I am clear you posted on this thread in response to my post here? Why would you wait a year to respond to something that was intended as nothing more than a light-hearted observation that didn't need a response anyway? Given that you felt the need to respond at all, why respond on an unrelated thread posting abuse towards me?

Jemmaa

Malice wrote: »

Just so I am clear you posted on this thread in response to my post here? Why would you wait a year to respond to something that was intended as nothing more than a light-hearted observation that didn't need a response anyway? Given that you felt the need to respond at all, why respond on an unrelated thread posting abuse towards me?

Because you did it again one year later.

I didn't want to hurt you, I am sorry if I did. I was shocked seeing the same view on the front page a few days ago - forum filled by Moderator! - and just remembered that you described yourself as a spammer earlier and it doesn't really matter was it a year ago or now - the situation is all the same.

I believe that Moderator is someone who keeps the forum tidy, but you presented your personal music preferences as whole Rock & Metal forums preferences and awarded your favourites - I think this is ridiculous.

I just wanted to prevent you rom posting 20 Award threads again so I said please stop trolling - well maybe it was wrong word maybe I should say please stop spamming - but you didn't listen you just killed me without warning. Cruel.

Malice

Jemmaa wrote: »

Because you did it again one year later.

Yes, amazingly enough it was decided on the forum to conduct a 2011 review in the same vein as the 2010 review.

Jemmaa wrote:

I didn't want to hurt you, I am sorry if I did. I was shocked seeing the same view on the front page a few days ago - forum filled by Moderator!

I may have slightly miscounted but there are twenty five available threads on the front page of the forum so taking this year's set of awards threads that makes twelve including the discussion and voting threads. That's less than half so no, the forum wasn't filled by me.

Jemmaa wrote:

and just remembered that you described yourself as a spammer earlier and it doesn't really matter was it a year ago or now - the situation is all the same.

As I intended at the time and as I wrote in my last post, that was intended as a light-hearted observation, nothing more. Now if I'd filled the forum full of ads for viagra or iPhones then you'd be perfectly entitled to be annoyed but the voting was then, as now, intended as a community activity. Would you have preferred if I'd gotten someone else to post the results?

Jemmaa wrote:

I believe that Moderator is someone who keeps the forum tidy, but you presented your personal music preferences as whole Rock & Metal forums preferences and awarded your favourites - I think this is ridiculous.

Mods don't just keep things tidy, there is a general expectation to have an interest in the forum subject and to drive discussions to a certain extent. That's all the awards were intended to be. You didn't vote on this years awards and I'm pretty sure you didn't vote on last years one either so what difference does it make to you who wins or loses? As with the ill-fated album of the week threads, I figured the simplest thing to do in the event of a tie was to cast the deciding vote myself. Again, no one, including you objected to that at the time.

So you don't like my musical choices? That's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. You're not however entitled to abuse someone who's taking the time to do something for the forum as a whole.

Jemmaa wrote:

I just wanted to prevent you rom posting 20 Award threads again so I said please stop trolling - well maybe it was wrong word maybe I should say please stop spamming - but you didn't listen you just killed me without warning. Cruel.

I'll spell it out again: I wasn't trolling or spamming. If you have a problem with the way I do things on the forum then by all means send me a PM and we can talk in private. But don't expect no reaction when you direct abuse my way.

Jemmaa

So you keep claiming that I insulted you for no reason and had to be banned for it. Also you believe that you weren't trolling or spamming.

But I believe that you were spamming and I've tried to prevent more spam so replicated with a joke about you're trolling your own forum.

Well I agree probably it wasn't good idea to make jokes because we aren't close friends so my joke maybe sounded too rude. I apologized for that already, didn't mentioned to hurt you just wanted to let you know that in my opinion you're not right in this case, I'm truly sorry for my rudeness.

You're not however entitled to abuse someone who's taking the time to do something for the forum as a whole.
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I'll spell it out again: I wasn't trolling or spamming.

By the way if you read rules
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=87162

So here's there rules:

NO ADVERTISING / FOR SALE ADS
Advertising, or pimping for anything is completely out of the question.

NO TICKET SALES/REQUESTS/SWAPS
If you want to sell, request or swap tickets try http://www.toutless.com or http://www.adverts.ie

NO ILLEGAL WAREZ / MP3S / VIDEOS / TABS.
Any discussion on the illegal download of copyrighted material is out of the question also. Any links to illegal mp3s, or the suggestion of P2P file sharing programs will be deleted, and the user possibly banned. Tabs aswell are now illegal, bear that in mind.

NO TEXT SPEAK.
As it says.

NO SPAMMING.
Do not post the same message across multiple forums, even if it is relevant, this is considered spamming. Spam will be deleted, and the user may be banned.

NO FLAMING.
Within reason... But people giving all out verbal attacks will be slapped.

NO OFF-TOPIC.
If there's a board there for your topic, put it there. Offending threads shall be moved.

A few of the above = BAN!

Got it?

"A few of the above = BAN!" See? I've got banned for whole Month with no warning, no trying to moderate me, no trying to explain why I was wrong - too strong punishment in my case I assume.

That's what I think about my ban and now I can answer other questions

So you don't like my musical choices?

I respect every musical test and you can listen to what you like. I only say that not so many people voted for awards so I think you can't claim that awarded albums or musicians are chosen by Rock & Metal forum.

You didn't vote on this years awards and I'm pretty sure you didn't vote on last years one either so what difference does it make to you who wins or loses? As with the ill-fated album of the week threads, I figured the simplest thing to do in the event of a tie was to cast the deciding vote myself. Again, no one, including you objected to that at the time.

I didn't vote that's true.
Maybe you don't remember we discussed about voting for music it was more than one year ago and it was on Album-of-the-Week thread. I said that music isn't sport and voting for the best music or best musician is pointless in general so I never do that. I've tried to disagree again before this last voting but you just ignored it so I didn't fight no more.
I think we have more than 200 Rock & Metal fans, don't know how many people voted but results are surprising and I don't feel that your decision was right for most of fans.

Would you have preferred if I'd gotten someone else to post the results?

No, I was against voting in general, on the other hand I don't think that it was good idea to have so many one-post award-threads so it doesn't matter who.

Of course all above are only my opinion and feel free to ignore it.

P.S. I've PMed frobisher Category Moderator but he or she is inactive since October so maybe we could ask for help of some third person to find solution for the case, what you think?

Malice

Jemmaa wrote: »

So you keep claiming that I insulted you for no reason and had to be banned for it. Also you believe that you weren't trolling or spamming.

We can keep going around in circles with this if you like. I don't know what reason you had for posting the abuse that you did, I can't see inside your head. I also have no idea how you can possibly claim I was trolling or spamming. Am I supposed to run every new thread I create past you to make sure it meets with your approval?

Jemmaa wrote:

But I believe that you were spamming and I've tried to prevent more spam so replicated with a joke about you're trolling your own forum.

Nothing about what you posted suggested a joke and as I've already said, that wasn't the first time you posted something like that.

Jemmaa wrote:

I've got banned for whole Month with no warning, no trying to moderate me, no trying to explain why I was wrong - too strong punishment in my case I assume.

You got a ban because I believe what you did was quite nasty. You have stated your position as being firmly against voting or discussion threads in general and this wasn't the first time posting something off-topic or a thinly-veiled insult towards me. A lot of work went into discussing, organising and tallying the awards. I'm happy to do it for the benefit of the forum but I'm not going to accept abuse for it.

Jemmaa wrote:

I respect every musical test and you can listen to what you like. I only say that not so many people voted for awards so I think you can't claim that awarded albums or musicians are chosen by Rock & Metal forum.

We're really getting off-topic here but I believe I can claim exactly that. Yes, not many people voted but those that did vote are representative of the forum in an "every vote is equal" way. People can't be forced to vote so there know of a better way to do it. Now if you don't agree that's fine, let's please stick to the subject of the thread.

Jemmaa wrote:

Maybe you don't remember we discussed about voting for music it was more than one year ago and it was on Album-of-the-Week thread. I said that music isn't sport and voting for the best music or best musician is pointless in general so I never do that. I've tried to disagree again before this last voting but you just ignored it so I didn't fight no more.
I think we have more than 200 Rock & Metal fans, don't know how many people voted but results are surprising and I don't feel that your decision was right for most of fans.

I do remember that. As I recall you were the only person who didn't want to do this. Everyone is equal on the forum and for something like the voting I would always go with the majority. If more people want to do something than don't then we will go ahead and do it. If you think something is pointless then fine, just don't expect the whole forum to bow to your will.

Jemmaa wrote:

No, I was against voting in general, on the other hand I don't think that it was good idea to have so many one-post award-threads so it doesn't matter who.

They are intended to be discussion threads where people can discuss the results of each category. If you don't like that they only have one post you can always contribute to the discussion.

Jemmaa wrote:

Of course all above are only my opinion and feel free to ignore it.

You're entitled to go through the dispute resolution process and it would not be fair to ignore what you've written so I will respond as best I can.

Jemmaa wrote:

P.S. I've PMed frobisher Category Moderator but he or she is inactive since October so maybe we could ask for help of some third person to find solution for the case, what you think?

Just to be clear, there are two Category Moderators for the Music category. Frobisher is one and I am the other. As there is a bit of a conflict of interests when something like this happens then yes, we should probably get an admin involved (I wrote that at the bottom of my first post in this thread).

Admins: Can we get your attention on this please?

Jemmaa

Malice wrote: »

We can keep going around in circles with this if you like. I don't know what reason you had for posting the abuse that you did, I can't see inside your head. I also have no idea how you can possibly claim I was trolling or spamming. Am I supposed to run every new thread I create past you to make sure it meets with your approval?

Nothing about what you posted suggested a joke and as I've already said, that wasn't the first time you posted something like that.

You got a ban because I believe what you did was quite nasty. You have stated your position as being firmly against voting or discussion threads in general and this wasn't the first time posting something off-topic or a thinly-veiled insult towards me. A lot of work went into discussing, organising and tallying the awards. I'm happy to do it for the benefit of the forum but I'm not going to accept abuse for it.

We're really getting off-topic here but I believe I can claim exactly that. Yes, not many people voted but those that did vote are representative of the forum in an "every vote is equal" way. People can't be forced to vote so there know of a better way to do it. Now if you don't agree that's fine, let's please stick to the subject of the thread.

I do remember that. As I recall you were the only person who didn't want to do this. Everyone is equal on the forum and for something like the voting I would always go with the majority. If more people want to do something than don't then we will go ahead and do it. If you think something is pointless then fine, just don't expect the whole forum to bow to your will.

They are intended to be discussion threads where people can discuss the results of each category. If you don't like that they only have one post you can always contribute to the discussion.

You're entitled to go through the dispute resolution process and it would not be fair to ignore what you've written so I will respond as best I can.

Just to be clear, there are two Category Moderators for the Music category. Frobisher is one and I am the other. As there is a bit of a conflict of interests when something like this happens then yes, we should probably get an admin involved (I wrote that at the bottom of my first post in this thread).

Admins: Can we get your attention on this please?

Now you insulted me. I am not nasty, I am very friendly and peaceful.
The thing is that my music preferences are different then yours and you are not going to tolerate it on your forum. You are removing my posts because "this is not discussions thread" or "hairy Zappa is wrong for this thread" or "this is nasty" or just with no comment and trying to make pressure on me because I am "only person who didn't want to do this" - who disagree with your position.
There was more posters you provoked to leave R&M forum because "it was only person who is not happy" with your concept.
That what I think on it.

Malice

Jemmaa wrote: »

Now you insulted me. I am not nasty, I am very friendly and peaceful.

I haven't insulted you at all. All I've done is state my firm belief that what you posted was abusive towards me.

Jemmaa wrote:

The thing is that my music preferences are different then yours and you are not going to tolerate it on your forum. You are removing my posts because "this is not discussions thread" or "hairy Zappa is wrong for this thread" or "this is nasty" or just with no comment and trying to make pressure on me because I am "only person who didn't want to do this" - who disagree with your position.

I have never thought of the Rock & Metal forum as my forum. It's not my forum at all, it's everyone's forum. All I ever try to do as moderator is keep the peace, keep things tidy (as you've said yourself) and periodically drive discussions. I don't care that your musical preferences are different to mine. In fact, I bet if we listed our favourite bands they would be quite similar. Rock & Metal are two massive genres by themselves. Put them together and there is naturally a huge variety of sounds.

Jemmaa wrote:

There was more posters you provoked to leave R&M forum because "it was only person who is not happy" with your concept.

Okay, I resent this accusation. Who are these other posters that I have provoked?

Jemmaa

Malice wrote: »

I haven't insulted you at all. All I've done is state my firm belief that what you posted was abusive towards me.

I've never abused you either - why you banned me? Asking rhetorically!

Okay, I resent this accusation. Who are these other posters that I have provoked?

This thread is for my ban and I don't really want to go off-topic with he other posters, also I think if they didn't want to fight then I don't have to fight for them too.
It is possible to find your unwelcome comments to prove my words but it will take time and I am banned from R&M forum so I have to go offline to search it it'll take much more my time.
Don't forget I am only volunteering here on boards and donating my time to make this site nicer. I hate the situation you created for me when I have to go conflict and prove I wasn't abusing you but only tried to explain my position that forum has to be more users-friendly.

So maybe we can just go back to my case here: I was banned from R&M forum for one Month, I disagree with this ban and I am asking for solution on independent forum.
If I am guilty I will take it with a smile.

Malice

Jemmaa wrote: »

I've never abused you either - why you banned me? Asking rhetorically!

Yes you did actually abuse me, that's what this whole situation is about. Do you think I want to get into this whole tit-for-tat exchange? Actually, never mind, I think I know the answer based on your earlier post today.

Jemmaa wrote:

This thread is for my ban and I don't really want to go off-topic with he other posters, also I think if they didn't want to fight then I don't have to fight for them too.

You think it's okay to produce a serious accusation and then not back it up? What are you going to accuse me of next, the JFK assassination?

Jemmaa wrote:

So maybe we can just go back to my case here: I was banned from R&M forum for one Month, I disagree with this ban and I am asking for solution on independent forum.

That's fine, per the diagram at the top of the page we're at the stage when an Admin is to investigate and that has been requested.

Jemmaa

Malice wrote: »

That's fine, per the diagram at the top of the page we're at the stage when an Admin is to investigate and that has been requested.

Listen I have a strong feeling that they just ignore us.
They're not going to ban us for trolling each other what you think?

You think it's okay to produce a serious accusation and then not back it up? What are you going to accuse me of next, the JFK assassination?

No, I agree with you on it - it's not okay, but I don't want to go off-topic here and don't have enough of time to do research right now. If you want to start other topic I promise I will do it for you when I have more time and when I don't need to go offline/online for it.

g'em

Jemmaa wrote: »

Listen I have a strong feeling that they just ignore us.

You're not being ignored

Leave this with me and I'll get back to you shortly.

Jemmaa

g'em wrote: »

You're not being ignored

Leave this with me and I'll get back to you shortly.

No rush, take your time
I was banned on 1st of January it's only 7th day today so I have 24 more days to discuss my case.

g'em

Hi Jemmaa, your ban has been lifted from the Rock & Metal forum. In future if you have an issue with something a Mod is doing PM them or another Mod on the forum to raise your concerns (I have already suggested to Malice that another Mod is recruited in the forum). The way you went about your concerns here was disruptive to say the least given the amount of time and effort that Malice put into the Awards thread.

Also, the current location on your account, "Hi Jemmaa, You have been banned from Rock & Metal" Really? Do you really need to go to that level?

Any other issues or concerns that you have about the forum and the way it is being run can be addressed first to the CMods (frobisher is Malice's counterpart) and if you have specific concerns you can take them to Help Desk.