Who is more repressed? Women!

William_Hicley

John Doe1 wrote: »

anyone ever get the ride off a girl in a burqa?

Now THATS an interesting thread. :pac:

Dudess

"I find women who look natural more attractive" = "I find women who wear subtle, natural-looking make-up more attractive".

Marzipan85

well regardless of what women have to wear or not wear to be accepted by the majority, there is definitely more choice for women in secular countries. i can choose not to have children, not to marry, to live off the dole, to be employed as whatever i'm good at etc.

Logical Fallacy

Dudess wrote: »

"I find women who look natural more attractive" = "I find women who wear subtle, natural-looking make-up more attractive".

My fiance never wears make up and she is the hottest woman i have ever met tbh.

Saila

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

My fiance never wears make up and she is the hottest woman i have ever met tbh.

shes standing beside you isnt she

Logical Fallacy

Saila wrote: »

shes standing beside you isnt she

Nope. She is just super ****ing hot.

Dudess

Ah yeah, not saying that's never the case, but a lot of guys think make-up is only the trowelled-on chocolate/orange stuff.

I never wear foundation or lipstick but I wear eye make-up. Applied very carefully though, so as to look natural but slightly transforming/enhancing.

Temptamperu

Zen65 wrote: »

Repression is not about what you wear, it's about the absence of choice.

Z

Most women believe they dont have a choice but to wear make up tbh, My sister wont leave the house without clowning up.

Dudess

I wear make-up because I think it makes me look better - not a slave to it though. I could do the leaving the house without it on thing. And I've never done the setting my alarm to apply it before he wakes up thing - it happens! :eek:
Although I do remove smeared eye make-up as looking like Alice cooper next morning ain't sexy. :pac:

WindSock

02572 wrote: »

I got the idea to post from this video! I just wanted to get an Irish reaction. It makes you think, I think anyways!


What are you thoughts on that little documentary?

Yeah I stopped after the 'fools' bit too

And for all the dithering on about wearing make up and fake enhancement, what are all those Muslamic ladies wearing around their eyes? Hmmm?

Caraville

Dudess wrote: »

"I find women who look natural more attractive" = "I find women who wear subtle, natural-looking make-up more attractive".

I'd agree there- but also, this crap that men spout about preferring the "natural look" is only to a point- if they really preferred the "natural look" they wouldn't care if women ever waxed/shaved their legs/bikini line/underarms. They wouldn't care if a woman had bushy eyebrows. They wouldn't care if a woman with bad skin didn't use concealer/foundation to cover it up. So the whole "natural" look is all fine & dandy so long as the woman is still conforming to what the man sees as acceptable.

-just to note though, in fairness, most women, including myself, take care of the above things for themselves as it makes them feel better. I feel more feminine myself with smooth legs etc. But my point remains that "natural" isn't really what's preferred.

That's a bit off topic anyway, but back on topic I would have thought it was obvious- the head covering is generally not a choice for these women, whereas make up is for me. I'm pretty happy that I'm on this side of the fence, thanks.

Doc Ruby

Zen65 wrote: »

Repression is not about what you wear, it's about the absence of choice.

/thread

PrincessLola

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

My fiance never wears make up and she is the hottest woman i have ever met tbh.

lol.. yeah

Azureus

I definately agree with the 'choice' part of the issue. We have the choice to wear make up if we would like to. I'm aware, particularly for those in their teens and those with low self confidence, that this choice is taken away to a degree by society and its expectations, but its not like its law to wear lipstick in Ireland. That's my only problem with the burqa-that women are penalised for making a choice in some countries.

LandL84

02572 wrote: »

I suppose the question really is this!, is make up enhancing your beauty or covering up your beauty? (we know what you have been told girls!!! but what do you THINK?)

Oh and FYI irish girls before any of you attack me! Muslim women actually believe that the veil makes them more beauiful as do you with your No.5

I prefer a women to just be herself (very hard to find an Irish girl like this anymore ) I think its quite sad when women cover up the fact that they are a women then they mentally cease to be one.....

I agree a lot of girls put way too much makeup on. I'm a woman and I've never understood them girls, who are literally soaked in often orange make up and think they are beautiful :pac:

Answering another question, I don't think Western women are repressed by being made to wear cosmetic stuff. No. I think it's a choice, there's no such a law to wear make up, when muslim women have to wear veils, burkes or other stuff, especially in their own countries.

sensibleken

Crumble Froo wrote: »

at this stage, they're almost entirely dependent on the patches used to put them back together, but while im terrified of what the washing machine may do to them, they get washed frequently in rivers and oceans. old, yes. dirty, no.

you sound like the girl version of me

biko

Sure, Western women are repressed by society and there are feminist groups trying to correct this, for instance having more natural looking models on the billboards instead of creating an unnatural ideal for young girls to try to emulate.

But it doesn't even start to compare with the horrendous oppression some Muslim women live under (depends where they live)
Not free to socialise or come and go as they please.
Not free to pursue education or achieve goals outside the home.
Being beaten and raped by their husband.

Even at the time of Mohammed his young wife Aisha herself said 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'.

Leftist

biko wrote: »

Sure, Western women are repressed by society and there are feminist groups trying to correct this, for instance having more natural looking models on the billboards instead of creating an unnatural ideal for young girls to try to emulate.

But it doesn't even start to compare with the horrendous oppression some Muslim women live under (depends where they live)
Not free to socialise or come and go as they please.
Not free to pursue education or achieve goals outside the home.
Being beaten and raped by their husband.

Even at the time of Mohammed his young wife Aisha herself said 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'.

That was about 700AD right?

biko

Yes, since then things may or may not have improved.

Btw, A pretty interesting interview with three Muslim women about whether it's ok to wear nothing, just a hijab or the full face covering niqab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXzUuKdfnRE

Leftist

It was o.k to rape and beat your wife in catholic ireland up to 20 years ago.

Because if the wagon complained, it might make it harder for her husband to forgive her when she came crawling back to him. That is what our government said at the time.

religion is the biggest enemy of women's rights.

biko

Leftist wrote: »

religion is the biggest enemy of women's rights.

Agreed.

Saila

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Nope. She is just super ****ing hot.

still there I see

44leto

02572 wrote: »

Which women is more repressed in your view?
Muslim women who wear that veil thing or Western women who wear that cosmetic stuff?

My opinion is that while muslim women are repressed overtly by being made to cover themselves in public, western women are repressed covertly by been made to "cover yourself mentally". The make up covers you (in essence) the same way the veil covers you!.



I suppose the question really is this!, is make up enhancing your beauty or covering up your beauty? (we know what you have been told girls!!! but what do you THINK?)

Oh and FYI irish girls before any of you attack me! Muslim women actually believe that the veil makes them more beauiful as do you with your No.5

I prefer a women to just be herself (very hard to find an Irish girl like this anymore ) I think its quite sad when women cover up the fact that they are a women then they mentally cease to be one.....

Is this an assumption, Islamic women even with the veil do wear makeup, also there is a huge market in sales of branded lingerie in these countries and its not the men who are wearing them.

saa

Beauty does not equal oppression.
If beauty is something that interests a person it would be terrible to frown upon that and insist women shouldnt wear something.

If a woman from the middle east came here she would not have to wear make up, If I went to certain countries there I would have to wear something to cover my head... So to me its pretty clear which practice is more oppressing.

Nothingbetter2d

Crumble Froo wrote: »

at this stage, they're almost entirely dependent on the patches used to put them back together, but while im terrified of what the washing machine may do to them, they get washed frequently in rivers and oceans. old, yes. dirty, no.

are you a crusty?

Crumble Froo

If I was, I woudn't be washing them at all...