National BVD Eradication Programme

PatQfarmer

whelan1 wrote: »

calf gone , i was ok til i saw the cow looking everywhere for here calf:(

Tough station!
Still, the herd will be better off.
Farming is cruel sometimes.

whelan1

my own calf came back positive this morning, she is now gone too

Western Pomise

Was helping a neighbour at pit silage today,the chat got round at dinner time to the whole BVD programme...and a few 'what ifs' came up .....
which I think the Animal health website dont cover fully
1- if a calf comes back as PI....rather than heading away with calf to knackery at huge loss, with a measly 100 euro compensation...isolate the cow and calf (if of good quality with good conformation)...feed hell out of calf and kill him in a few months time with butcher/factory...as one fella said the bvd poses no threat to humans.
2-one man had opinion that If you ever had a PI CALF you should test all directly related animals in herd asap?...as if that calves dam had other older stock in herd they had higher liklihood of it(I think thats wrong BTW.)
Any thoughts?...

just do it

Western Pomise wrote: »

Was helping a neighbour at pit silage today,the chat got round at dinner time to the whole BVD programme...and a few 'what ifs' came up .....
which I think the Animal health website dont cover fully
1- if a calf comes back as PI....rather than heading away with calf to knackery at huge loss, with a measly 100 euro compensation...isolate the cow and calf (if of good quality with good conformation)...feed hell out of calf and kill him in a few months time with butcher/factory...as one fella said the bvd poses no threat to humans.
2-one man had opinion that If you ever had a PI CALF you should test all directly related animals in herd asap?...as if that calves dam had other older stock in herd they had higher liklihood of it(I think thats wrong BTW.)
Any thoughts?...

Read thread, all this has been debated....

snowman707

Western Pomise wrote: »

Was helping a neighbour at pit silage today,the chat got round at dinner time to the whole BVD programme...and a few 'what ifs' came up .....
which I think the Animal health website dont cover fully
1- if a calf comes back as PI....rather than heading away with calf to knackery at huge loss, with a measly 100 euro compensation...isolate the cow and calf (if of good quality with good conformation)...feed hell out of calf and kill him in a few months time with butcher/factory...as one fella said the bvd poses no threat to humans.

Any thoughts?...

"Huge Loss" ???


who ever expressed this thought obviously hasn't experienced the devastation that BVD , mucosial disease etc bring,

whelan1

snowman707 wrote: »

"Huge Loss" ???


who ever expressed this thought obviously hasn't experienced the devastation that BVD , mucosial disease etc bring,

if you are in the scheme you are in it with the mindset of getting bvd out of your herd you are not in it for the "compo"

Western Pomise

JAYSUS LADS DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER,I AM ONLY RELAYING A TYPICAL CONVERSATION WHICH WILL BE HAD UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR....sorry for caps,
Had read thread and nowhere on it or animal health website does it go into scenario the farmer had of a good calf,say a pedIgree calf of 300 kgs + coming back as PI....would people not be tempted to feed him on till end of year in total isolation, inform DVO of their action,get him to 500 kg and get something back for him rather than knackery ASAP.As I understand it from Jan that loophole will be gone which is no harm.

snowman707

Western Pomise wrote: »

JAYSUS LADS DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER,I AM ONLY RELAYING A TYPICAL CONVERSATION WHICH WILL BE HAD UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR....sorry for caps,
Had read thread and nowhere on it or animal health website does it go into scenario the farmer had of a good calf,say a pedIgree calf of 300 kgs + coming back as PI....would people not be tempted to feed him on till end of year in total isolation, inform DVO of their action,get him to 500 kg and get something back for him rather than knackery ASAP.As I understand it from Jan that loophole will be gone which is no harm.

if the calf is PI it's very unlikely he will reach 300 kgs not alone get him to 500,

just do it

Western Pomise wrote: »

JAYSUS LADS DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER,I AM ONLY RELAYING A TYPICAL CONVERSATION WHICH WILL BE HAD UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR....sorry for caps,
Had read thread and nowhere on it or animal health website does it go into scenario the farmer had of a good calf,say a pedIgree calf of 300 kgs + coming back as PI....would people not be tempted to feed him on till end of year in total isolation, inform DVO of their action,get him to 500 kg and get something back for him rather than knackery ASAP.As I understand it from Jan that loophole will be gone which is no harm.

Didn't mean to come across as sharp, just wanted to point out the points were well debated on here. The idea of isolating and finishing a PI young was debated but mustn't have been on this thread.

If he's tagged within the first 7 days of life and he tests positive the odds are stacked against isolation and early finishing being more profitable than immediate euthanisation.

If you're in the scheme why would you be testing a 300kg animal? Because a calf has shown up positive? If it's healthy and in good condition then maybe it's worth considering. But be prepared to go to the factory at the first sign of lack of thrift.

Edit - have a look here: http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056470422?page=4

whelan1

Western Pomise wrote: »

JAYSUS LADS DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER,I AM ONLY RELAYING A TYPICAL CONVERSATION WHICH WILL BE HAD UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR....sorry for caps,
Had read thread and nowhere on it or animal health website does it go into scenario the farmer had of a good calf,say a pedIgree calf of 300 kgs + coming back as PI....would people not be tempted to feed him on till end of year in total isolation, inform DVO of their action,get him to 500 kg and get something back for him rather than knackery ASAP.As I understand it from Jan that loophole will be gone which is no harm.

we had a pedigree angus bull calf come back as positive on the ear notch test and then on the blood, smashing calf, we debating whether to keep him til he would be weaned and send him to factory then but your first loss is your best loss, was terrible seeing the cow looking for him and we are glad he is gone

LostCovey

Western Pomise wrote: »

JAYSUS LADS DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER,I AM ONLY RELAYING A TYPICAL CONVERSATION WHICH WILL BE HAD UP AND DOWN THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR....sorry for caps

I don't think it was personal.

Shooting messengers is a very effective way to stop misinformation, which you were propagating, although I of course accept you were just passing on what you heard.

The next couple of years will need a whole battalion of "messenger executioners" as a whole lot of people who wouldn't/didn't engage with BVD go through the same process of learning and assumptions as the rest of us know-alls did!

Speaking up, quoting the science and killing off folklore & urban myths as you hear them will be very important. AHI can't be in every pub & mart.

LC

just do it

LC
I've my virtual rifle at the ready :)




(Western Pomise - only joking )

Western Pomise

Decided to take the plunge and sent off for ear tags this week to Mullinahone.....was going to wait till next year but proaction better than reaction....,our vet says calves can be done now even if born in the spring,think thats a bit of a joke with the place up north mentioned where calfs individual tags isnt matched on ear tag....could and is already leading to a lot of 'messing' I would imagine.

whelan1

was wondering, i did the scheme from the start, do i need to continue every year?

just do it

whelan1 wrote: »

was wondering, i did the scheme from the start, do i need to continue every year?

Yes. It will be compulsory from next year. I think you've to do it for three years. At that point it will probably depends on the national situation. How many PI's did you end up with?

whelan1

just do it wrote: »

Yes. It will be compulsory from next year. I think you've to do it for three years. At that point it will probably depends on the national situation. How many PI's did you end up with?

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just do it

whelan1 wrote: »

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Good stuff, that should be the last one for you then. I look forward to a year's time when we can confidently buy negative BVD animals

whelan1

back in march i had a positive calf on the ear notch test, got it blood tested and vet told me it was positive, got no word from ahi or icbf, sent calf to knackery. Today a full 6 months later i got a text from ahi to say that this animal was postive and that i would get a letter soon... total joke, calf has been disposed of since april

bob charles

could the price of the actual test not be incorporated into the tags so its just one payment. suppose then you have no choice which lad you use. Do you have to buy the BVD buttons off of them **** in Mullinahone, sorry for the expletive but I couldn't describe them any better, again I suppose the buttons have to match the tags. Why is there no competition in the tags market allowed by the dept of Ag. they are a joke of a company to deal with

bogman_bass

well you will be delighted to know that the won the new tender for BVD tags for the scheme

whelan1

bob charles wrote: »

could the price of the actual test not be incorporated into the tags so its just one payment. suppose then you have no choice which lad you use. Do you have to buy the BVD buttons off of them **** in Mullinahone, sorry for the expletive but I couldn't describe them any better, again I suppose the buttons have to match the tags. Why is there no competition in the tags market allowed by the dept of Ag. they are a joke of a company to deal with

think us boardsies should set up a tag company in opposition, they have the tender for another 2 years now

5live

bob charles wrote: »

could the price of the actual test not be incorporated into the tags so its just one payment. suppose then you have no choice which lad you use. Do you have to buy the BVD buttons off of them **** in Mullinahone, sorry for the expletive but I couldn't describe them any better, again I suppose the buttons have to match the tags. Why is there no competition in the tags market allowed by the dept of Ag. they are a joke of a company to deal with

No more buttons except for tags left over from this year. Details still being finalised on that. All new tags for next year will be normal tags with one being adapted to take a tissue sample, same procedure as the button tag but looking like a normal tag

whelan1

was at vets this morning and was ear wigging:o anyways vet -that i dont like:cool:- was talking to a farmer who had had bvd pi 2 diagnosed, apparently this is very rare vet was pushing him to test all animals to get the carriers . Does any one know the difference between a pi1 and a pi2?