Racist Ireland

Eric Cartman

Amber Lamps wrote: »

But that is racist. You should disregard your previous experiences because someday you will get a taxi driven by an african who will bring you home the shortest route. It's not fair that you judge him on the behavior of some of his country mens actions. Think for example, what would jesus do....does he not talk about the shepard who leaves his whole flock so he can save the one lost sheep. This is you. You must find that lost sheep. Anything less than this is racist.

your argument is very loose at best, If you walked down an alley way and got stabbed by a junkie, would you keep walking down that alley until one day one of them gave you a bag of sweets and a pat on the back ?

RainbowRose81

shayno90 wrote: »

Not a subject for AH, plus the poster Leftist was trolling this thread from the start.

Why should the government be expected to indoctrine the majority to accept new immigrants, are people not entitled to have their opinions instead of having a minority expecting the natives must change. What have you done to integrate into Irish society? Easy to blame the government! Can I ask what country you are from and what integration policies that government has implemented and if they were successful?

It funny how you presumed I am not Irish, I am Irish. Where did I say I am not Irish. Well the government are in control of social institutions the education system, the family rights, the law system etc so these social insitutions make up society so what the government does every each and every persons. Ireland is suppose to be a democracy and democracy is based on Christian values of free will and equality that's the values and norms here even though people know that they don't how what it means or how to apply it because of lack of education and the way how children are socialised.

Amber Lamps

Eric Cartman wrote: »

your argument is very loose at best, If you walked down an alley way and got stabbed by a junkie, would you keep walking down that alley until one day one of them gave you a bag of sweets and a pat on the back ?

What colour skin did the junkie have?

RainbowRose81

shayno90 wrote: »

Not a subject for AH, plus the poster Leftist was trolling this thread from the start.

Why should the government be expected to indoctrine the majority to accept new immigrants, are people not entitled to have their opinions instead of having a minority expecting the natives must change. What have you done to integrate into Irish society? Easy to blame the government! Can I ask what country you are from and what integration policies that government has implemented and if they were successful?

Well who has the right to form an opinion about someone they don't know. It's basic to treat people eqaully, get on with it. instead of trying to work them out like you formed an opinion on me i.e that I am not Irish and that is based on ignorance i e lack of knowledge.

Nodin

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

They'd be within their rights to hunt down illegals I would have thought, although there's still a reasonably strong enough Irish vote to avoid making an issue out of it, not chance of the UK doing it. There's a big difference between visa arrangements and making it as far as Ireland to claim asylum. Tighter immigration controls didn't lead to Japan being isolated, or Australia now

You seem to be confusing immigration and asylum. The poster in question wanted us to refuse all asylum seekers and remove all non-eu persons in the country. Thats rather different than "tighter immigration controls".

shayno90

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well who has the right to form an opinion about someone they don't know. It's basic to treat people eqaully, get on with it. instead of trying to work them out like you formed an opinion on me i.e that I am not Irish and that is based on ignorance i e lack of knowledge.

Based on your previous post history, you seem to antagonize many posters and have a chip on your shoulder about this subject. If it is not Dubliners you have a problem with then it is the government, correct? You are a hypocrite, as your posts clearly show your animosity towards certain sections of the Irish population, yet you deem anyone who questions you or immigration issues as being a racist. Double standards!

Should the government adopt an integration policy like in this in Sweden? :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Xy-xb4XgM

It is from a comedy show by the way before you take it too seriously!

Paparazzo

If I was to avoid taxis based on bad experiences I've had with different types of drivers, I'd never get a taxi again

Oranage2

Paparazzo wrote: »

If I was to avoid taxis based on bad experiences I've had with different types of drivers, I'd never get a taxi again

God don't i try.

old hippy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

your argument is very loose at best, If you walked down an alley way and got stabbed by a junkie, would you keep walking down that alley until one day one of them gave you a bag of sweets and a pat on the back ?

Comparing Africans with junkies now, is it?

Topper Harley

old hippy wrote: »

Comparing Africans with junkies now, is it?

Ah, that's not fair. You know that's not what he meant.

old hippy

Topper Harley wrote: »

Ah, that's not fair. You know that's not what he meant.

I know exactly what he meant; to administer another negative blow.

We should not suffer the racists & xenephobes, nor the apologists for them.

Topper Harley

old hippy wrote: »

I know exactly what he meant; to administer another negative blow.

We should not suffer the racists & xenephobes, nor the apologists for them.

I agree with you absolutely that racism in all it's forms should not be tolerated but I see Cartman's point that you will make decisions based on your experiences, both good and bad.

I don't think he was actually suggesting that there is any negative correlation between Africans and junkies, although I'll let him speak for himself on that.

old hippy

Topper Harley wrote: »

I agree with you absolutely that racism in all it's forms should not be tolerated but I see Cartman's point that you will make decisions based on your experiences, both good and bad.

I don't think he was actually suggesting that there is any negative correlation between Africans and junkies, although I'll let him speak for himself on that.

Fair enough, I wait with baited breath

little feat

old hippy wrote: »

I know exactly what he meant; to administer another negative blow.

We should not suffer the racists & xenephobes, nor the apologists for them.

We should not suffer little fascists running around calling everybody waycists.

Unavailable for Comment

old hippy wrote: »

I know exactly what he meant; to administer another negative blow.

We should not suffer the racists & xenephobes, nor the apologists for them.

Personally I'd prefer to avoid having to suffer tiresome ad hominem arguments.

You dismiss Cartman's argument by opining that your past experience of him allows you insight into his intentions and awards you the right to ascribe your own interpretation to his posts all the while blissfully unaware of the irony that assigning motives and personality traits to people based solely on your experience is exactly the point he was making.

Are you Cartman's straw man?

RichieC

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer to avoid having to suffer tiresome ad hominem arguments.

You dismiss Cartman's argument by opining that your past experience of him allows you insight into his intentions and awards you the right to ascribe your own interpretation to his posts all the while blissfully unaware of the irony that assigning motives and personality traits to people based solely on your experience is exactly the point he was making.

Are you Cartman's straw man?

Ehhh.. it's a bit different. cartman is one person. not an entire race..

old hippy

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

Personally I'd prefer to avoid having to suffer tiresome ad hominem arguments.

You dismiss Cartman's argument by opining that your past experience of him allows you insight into his intentions and awards you the right to ascribe your own interpretation to his posts all the while blissfully unaware of the irony that assigning motives and personality traits to people based solely on your experience is exactly the point he was making.

Are you Cartman's straw man?

Interpretations are open to all, even you. Equating Africans with junkies, or those who speak out against such jaded and hopeless comparisons with fascists are the stuff of endless diatribes on the internet. I'm with Charlie Brooker on this one.

I have seen and experienced far too much of the filth and degradations by those who dismiss racism and/or practice it, to be bothered by a collection of randoms on a tiny, inconsequential forum.

gsxr1

I choose not to get into a taxi with an African driver.

I have never come across one who likes a bit of banter .

I like a bit of banter in the car with the driver.

Scanlas The 2nd

Amber Lamps wrote: »

DubDJ wrote: »

Well I don't fancy getting ripped off a few more times on the chance I might get the shortest route home. I've never had a problem in a taxi other than the incidents i've mentioned. One one occasion I actually pointed the direction when I was explaining it to him and he still took the longer route.

I'm not getting into their taxi's coz of their race or religion or colour of their skin. It's all down to bad experience in the past. If I go into a shop and continually the shop assistants are rude to me i'm going to avoid that shop and use an alternative.

I hear ya and it's a shtty situation you have found yourself in but you can't discriminate on skin colour as it is what is known as racism. Suspend your racism, find that one sheep, be they black white or rainbow coloured.

Yes he can

old hippy

gsxr1 wrote: »

I choose not to get into a taxi with an African driver.

I have never come across one who likes a bit of banter .

I like a bit of banter in the car with the driver.

I've lost count of the amount of drivers in London & abroad from that great continent who love a bit of banter. Your banter must be pretty sour.

dsmythy

Taxi driving is dangerous. No shít. Racists gonna be racists, hit them a slap if you're offended.

Amber Lamps

Grab your pitchforks and cone hats

Are you racist, tonight on TV3 @ 10.00

Bubblefett

Had my first ever experience with seeing a violent act of racism today.
I was driving with the OH in and around where I live- it's a tough area (I don't go out alone at night kind of a place) and we passed this gang of 12/13 year olds all gathered around someone beating the crap out of him!

So I swung the car around and the OH stepped out- he's a muscley big guy and a boxer, can be very intimidating looking. The kids legged it as soon as they realised they'd been spotted like we hoped.

Went over to the person expecting it to be another kid but it turned out he was a black lad in his late 20s. When we asked what happened he just said "it always happens here, it's cause I'm black." He also said he won't fight back cause the kids are too young, he can't hit them.

I was shocked, I've never encountered anything like that in my life. I've never seen a violent display of racism. And for someone to have that much self control not to fight back was amazing.

He seemed so thankful that someone took the time to stop and check if he was alright. I offered him a lift home but he joked that he lived in one of the bad estates and I'd be lucky to get out with my wheels still attached and made his own way home.

allibastor

the next time i hear someone calling me Irish i am going to say its racist. or if they call someone ginger i will also say its racist.
can we get some tv shows also to stop playing up the irish drinking culture as i feel this is also racist, like in the simpsons where they went to ireland and it was all pubs and leprecahuns? i feel that this is racist.

Scamaill

We are no better or no worse than anywhere else re racism. I have lived on 3 continents and its everywhere.

Nodin

allibastor wrote: »

the next time i hear someone calling me Irish i am going to say its racist. or if they call someone ginger i will also say its racist.
can we get some tv shows also to stop playing up the irish drinking culture as i feel this is also racist, like in the simpsons where they went to ireland and it was all pubs and leprecahuns? i feel that this is racist.

You have some point hidden in there, I take it?

MrVestek

SisterAnn wrote: »

Surprised our government have not introduced a Knowledge-style exam here in our cities. A revenue opportunity just sitting there ignored, one that would produce a useful public dividend.

Their exam is already like this but I've been told on more than one occasion by people that both give and take the tests that greater leniency is given to foreign nationals when marking the exams to make it more 'fair'.

It does quite the opposite if you ask me. I usually adhore racism in all of it's forms but I have to agree with others in this thread that I tend to avoid certain taxi drivers due to previously bad experiences.

The usual stuff, not knowing where a street is... taking the long way around because they're not 100% sure how to get there. Constantly talking on their bluetooth headset etc.

If I'm paying money for a service I want to get value for my money, as a consumer I'm allowed to make these decisions if I want to... it doesn't really have anything to do with race just experience.

allibastor

Nodin wrote: »

You have some point hidden in there, I take it?

i do, in case you missed it. why is everything done to a black, indian, muslim, chinese or any other nationalitiy or skin colour a racist action. is it because they have a trait which allows them to be generalised into a certain catagory? the same as why i dont want to be called irish or ginger, if i was attacked by someone who was not irish could i not say it was a racist attack on me?

i had a back woman recently do a funny mouth noise to me and call me snowflake, could i call the guards on her? a chinese guy recently commented that i look funny with my ginger bits in my beard and my fair hair, is that not also racist to comment on something of my genetic makeup. i was in a taxi once and the driver was black, he asked where i wanted to go in town, then got lost and then decided on the way to the spot to drop me off that he had to pick up a friend on the way. i complained to him about this as it added time to my journey to which he replied that i must not trust having two balck men in the car. surely that must be racist also.

fishy fishy

Solair wrote: »

So basically you're a racist clutching at straws.

There have been lots of incidents of white, Irish taxi drivers doing all of the above and we all know that there is a major problem with no background or criminal record checking of any taxi license holders in Ireland.

If you're that worried, call a reputable taxi company to a location. The fact that the cab has been radio dispatched means it's at least logged.
The colour of the drivers skin or nationality does not change your risk of getting into a dodgy cab!

LOL you seem to be a tad confused dear. If you read my post you will realise that I am advocating calling a reputable company instead of an independent. Also, Irish taxi drivers are vetted - fact. Foreign taxi drivers cannot be vetted as "no information is available" - do some investigating - you might be surprised what you find out.

cheers.

fishy fishy

LighterGuy wrote: »

Alot of chat about black taxi drivers huh?
The only negitive thing I can say about black taxi drivers is that in my experience alot of them simply didnt know where they were going.

according to the people on here so, you are a racist for saying that. :D And not only are you racist against taxi drivers, you are racist against ALL black occupations. Look it doesn't matter if you got taken halfway round the country by them, got overcharged by them, got abused by them. You still ahve to keep going back for more - you have no choice in the matter. Who cares about what happened to you, just keep going back for more.

how hilarious.

suicide_circus

fishy fishy wrote: »

according to the people on here so, you are a racist for saying that. :D And not only are you racist against taxi drivers, you are racist against ALL black occupations. Look it doesn't matter if you got taken halfway round the country by them, got overcharged by them, got abused by them. You still ahve to keep going back for more - you have no choice in the matter. Who cares about what happened to you, just keep going back for more.

how hilarious.

Once you go black, you can never go back

smash

suicide_circus wrote: »

Once you go black, you can never go back

And once you go Asian you'll never go Caucasian.

But I don't believe that. Although their food is delicious.

fishy fishy

Amber Lamps wrote: »

But that is racist. You should disregard your previous experiences because someday you will get a taxi driven by an african who will bring you home the shortest route. It's not fair that you judge him on the behavior of some of his country mens actions. Think for example, what would jesus do....does he not talk about the shepard who leaves his whole flock so he can save the one lost sheep. This is you. You must find that lost sheep. Anything less than this is racist.

are you saying that although people have had many bad experiences with black taximen, they are expected to keep going back "on the offchance" that they might get one that wont abuse or overcharge them. Why should somebody do that? If you got abused in the same shop two or three times would you keep going back to it? I don't think so.

That doesn't make you racist - it makes you a realist.

suicide_circus

Amber Lamps wrote: »

But that is racist. You should disregard your previous experiences because someday you will get a taxi driven by an african who will bring you home the shortest route. It's not fair that you judge him on the behavior of some of his country mens actions. Think for example, what would jesus do....does he not talk about the shepard who leaves his whole flock so he can save the one lost sheep. This is you. You must find that lost sheep. Anything less than this is racist.

What a load of horse manure!!
You see, we're not all so afraid of being called a racist, that we abandon good sense and judgement just to maintain an artificial facade. at the end of the day I will get where i.m going faster and cheaper and with less messing because I make sound reasoned judgements based on experience, not based on fear of taboo.

old hippy

allibastor wrote: »

i do, in case you missed it. why is everything done to a black, indian, muslim, chinese or any other nationalitiy or skin colour a racist action. is it because they have a trait which allows them to be generalised into a certain catagory? the same as why i dont want to be called irish or ginger, if i was attacked by someone who was not irish could i not say it was a racist attack on me?

i had a back woman recently do a funny mouth noise to me and call me snowflake, could i call the guards on her? a chinese guy recently commented that i look funny with my ginger bits in my beard and my fair hair, is that not also racist to comment on something of my genetic makeup. i was in a taxi once and the driver was black, he asked where i wanted to go in town, then got lost and then decided on the way to the spot to drop me off that he had to pick up a friend on the way. i complained to him about this as it added time to my journey to which he replied that i must not trust having two balck men in the car. surely that must be racist also.

When you get the **** kicked out of you for being a thick paddy or accused of being in the IRA, simply because you're Irish. Or when you get beaten, spat at abused because of the colour of your skin. That's racism.

When you try to deflect from a serious subject with facile whataboutery; that's just idiocy.

reprazant

fishy fishy wrote: »

are you saying that although people have had many bad experiences with black taximen, they are expected to keep going back "on the offchance" that they might get one that wont abuse or overcharge them. Why should somebody do that? If you got abused in the same shop two or three times would you keep going back to it? I don't think so.

That doesn't make you racist - it makes you a realist.

So, if you have a bad experience from a white taxi driver, which I am sure many people have, do you therefore refuse to go back to them "on the offchance" that you won't get a bad experience?

If you get bad service in one or two newsagents, do you then refuse to go into any other newsagents just in case you get bad service in them too?

Amber Lamps

fishy fishy wrote: »

are you saying that although people have had many bad experiences with black taximen, they are expected to keep going back "on the offchance" that they might get one that wont abuse or overcharge them. Why should somebody do that? If you got abused in the same shop two or three times would you keep going back to it? I don't think so.

That doesn't make you racist - it makes you a realist.

no i wouldn't set foot inside the shop again. take a note of the number of the taxi and if perchance they stop for you again, wave them on, wait for another 'shop/taxi' to come along.

i had a driver from south africa drop me home one night, sound as fcuk and had a great laugh with him, and a more "racist" guy i've never met. he told me that nigerians were the scourge of africa, well known for ripping people off the length and breath of africa and gave africans in general a bad name. this guy was black too. how am i ment to differentiate between him and a nigerian driver? it breaks my heart to think people would wave him on.

btw having worked very closely with africans comming to this country in the past, i was their first port of call after the airport, i would strongly agree with him about nigerians. but not all black people are nigerian.

lugha

fishy fishy wrote: »

are you saying that although people have had many bad experiences with black taximen, they are expected to keep going back "on the offchance" that they might get one that wont abuse or overcharge them. Why should somebody do that? If you got abused in the same shop two or three times would you keep going back to it? I don't think so.

That doesn't make you racist - it makes you a realist.

You seem to misunderstand what racism means. It simply means that you make negative generalizations about someone on the basis of their race. That you argue that you have sound reason to do so just means that you cannot also be accused of having an unfounded prejudice.

You are entirely free to do so of course, and it may be a very sensible course of action. But what you are doing is, by definition, racist.

Police with stop and search powers who exclusively, or even disproportionally, stop blacks can argue that it is an efficient way to deploy scarce resources. It may be, but it is still racist. Ditto with airport security that target young, middle-Eastern men. It too is racist (possibly sexist and ageist too) even if an argument might be made that it is not sensible to view an 80-year-old Irish granny as posing the same threat. Whether we should permit this is another question again.

fishy fishy

reprazant wrote: »

So, if you have a bad experience from a white taxi driver, which I am sure many people have, do you therefore refuse to go back to them "on the offchance" that you won't get a bad experience?

If you get bad service in one or two newsagents, do you then refuse to go into any other newsagents just in case you get bad service in them too?

of course I would. the difference being that because I go with a taxi company (which I advocate) I can make a complaint about that driver and it will be investigated. You cannot really do with with an independent driver as they don't have any "company" associated with them, and they have family members driving the taxi when they are napping. FACT.

Ever wonder what nights the least amount of taxi's are on the street - its the nights when the taxi regulator are out checking cars.

Re. the newsagents, I would never go back to a newsagent if I got abused or overcharged by them. I chose to go to the newsagents that I know I will get good value, will not be fleeced or abused.

I think it's hilarious reading the posts on here about people calling others racist because they chose the taxi's they get into. They really need to check out what happened to the taxi industry and how it was manipulated and people were sold out and their business was worthless overnight even tho they paid 50 - 60,000 for a taxi sign, so that it could become a free for all. I wonder if it was other occupations that this happened to would the people up in arms on here think any different. Or are they only on their high horses now because it doesn't really affect them. time for people to get real methinks.

woodoo

Just looking at tv3 now interview with a black guy who got beaten by a group and lost his eye. Very sad story.

fishy fishy

lugha wrote: »

You seem to misunderstand what racism means. It simply means that you make negative generalizations about someone on the basis of their race. That you argue that you have sound reason to do so just means that you cannot also be accused of having an unfounded prejudice.

You are entirely free to do so of course, and it may be a very sensible course of action. But what you are doing is, by definition, racist.

Police with stop and search powers who exclusively, or even disproportionally, stop blacks can argue that it is an efficient way to deploy scarce resources. It may be, but it is still racist. Ditto with airport security that target young, middle-Eastern men. It too is racist (possibly sexist and ageist too) even if an argument might be made that it is not sensible to view an 80-year-old Irish granny as posing the same threat. Whether we should permit this is another question again.

try reading my posts again, this time with the tunnel vision turned off

fishy fishy

woodoo wrote: »

Just looking at tv3 now interview with a black guy who got beaten by a group and lost his eye. Very sad story.

was he a taxi driver? Did it happen in a taxi?

sasta le

fishy fishy wrote: »

was he a taxi driver? Did it happen in a taxi?

Came here in 2001 as a student,attack in 2006

Is he still here?Didnt hear

colly10

fishy fishy wrote: »

was he a taxi driver? Did it happen in a taxi?

No he was a student doing a phd at the time it happened

sasta le

Is it so wrong for people wanting the Goverment to maybe shut the door for now so that people can get a chance with jobs?

Plenty of young people in my area yet the local Tesco has all Aisans working there on "student visas"

freeze4real

fishy fishy wrote: »

was he a taxi driver? Did it happen in a taxi?

Stupid thing to say very stupid and low you should baanned.

This forum is about rascist Ireland not a taxi forum.

If not that we are in AH I'll rain I over your face with all sorts of abuses.

I don't care if he's black of white but seeing the guy made feel sick and disgusted.

Have you no sympathy ?

colly10

woodoo wrote: »

Just looking at tv3 now interview with a black guy who got beaten by a group and lost his eye. Very sad story.

Thought the story about the 2 polish lads was even worse, just sick

sasta le

Very few Irish people would be racist to the point of attacking people i think people are annoyed over the work borders not being enforced

I mean all the non EU non skilled workers.EU we have to leave work here

mikom

freeze4real wrote: »

Stupid thing to say very stupid and low you should baanned.

Sheepist.

afrodub

I sometimes think it would be a nice experiment/ experience to be a white person for a day, have some very authentic make up and prosthetics and experience, likewise I would like some white people to be open on doing the opposite and be black for a day, then come and tell us..how it was