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FAE September 2012

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭supernova84


    chursy wrote: »
    I have a case study in my file names perfetto focussed on Corporate governance - Does anyone have a solution for this?

    can you please upload. Thanks in advance

    I've no way of uploading. It basically just says Perfetto is not complying with the highest standards(lists areas of non compliance, usual stuff) and shows a range of improvements that they should implement(nothing new here either).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭supernova84


    I have just attempted B & W and it was a fricking nightmare. I feel totally deflated after that.

    I like to play Black or White by Michael Jackon full blast after doing this case.

    But if You're thinkin'
    About my baby
    It don't matter if you're
    Black or white...

    I change the lyrics

    When I'm thinkin'
    About doing a case
    It will never be
    Black and White


  • Registered Users Posts: 233 ✭✭froggatt2011


    I like to play Black or White by Michael Jackon full blast after doing this case.

    But if You're thinkin'
    About my baby
    It don't matter if you're
    Black or white...

    I change the lyrics

    When I'm thinkin'
    About doing a case
    It will never be
    Black and White

    Someone needs to go for a wee nap :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭supernova84


    Someone needs to go for a wee nap :D

    I can't sleep ever since Bill Williams introduced me to the Locust brand


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Jame Gumb


    Hopefully Paul's working on "Locust Coffee 2" at the moment...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 233 ✭✭froggatt2011


    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    Hopefully Paul's working on "Locust Coffee 2" at the moment...

    I swear if we get a case about coffee shops I will need to be carted off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭supernova84


    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    Hopefully Paul's working on "Locust Coffee 2" at the moment...

    I can't wait for the movie


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Jame Gumb


    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    Hopefully Paul's working on "Locust Coffee 2" at the moment...

    I can't wait for the movie

    Christopher Walken to play Bill Williams?

    I can almost hear next season's induction lecture...

    "Now this is a nice little case...Locust Coffee...I wrote it by the way...somewhat bizarrely it was particularly popular with your predecessors...some more than others admittedly...especially a cabal of very strange individuals on boards.ie."


  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭chursy


    CAP 2 results are not published online this year, they have to log in with their username and password to get results. Hope this is the same for FAE in November.
    Jame Gumb wrote: »
    Christopher Walken to play Bill Williams?

    I can almost hear next season's induction lecture...

    "Now this is a nice little case...Locust Coffee...I wrote it by the way...somewhat bizarrely it was particularly popular with your predecessors...some more than others admittedly...especially a cabal of very strange individuals on boards.ie."

    some skills james! u nearly took to one of pauls lectures there!!! =)


  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭chursy


    Guys

    I have gone through pretty much most of the cases and still struggling to get confidence over the BL ( Strategy/Finance/ Strategic Options stuff) - I get points down on the paper but when i look at the quality to analysis done in solutions its just very de-motivating. I know they are HC solutions but i think my BL is weak as well. Now Can someone suggest any handy tips that i can take when approaching these in the case studies? I certainly need to revisit the Materials which i was going to go back to the notes of the Deloitte guy!

    any tips would be handy at this stage! Thanks


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  • Registered Users Posts: 49 faer2203


    Hey guys, just wondering if anyone done Green Homes, just in the valuation of the co, how are they getting the express valuation formula? looks like there multiplying profit by 6.6, but dont know where the 6.6 comes from


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭supernova84


    Just a quick question on retirement relief when selling business where both husband and wife meet criteria. Say business is valued at €1,500,000, does this mean there will be no CGT liability as both husband and wife can claim relief (750k x 2). Or is 750k the max relief?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    Just a quick question on retirement relief when selling business where both husband and wife meet criteria. Say business is valued at €1,500,000, does this mean there will be no CGT liability as both husband and wife can claim relief (750k x 2). Or is 750k the max relief?

    As far as I can remember once both meet the criteria that is the case. They are both entitled to the 750k. So as long as they own enough of the business then the relief is 750k each.


  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭figrolls


    7upfree wrote: »
    As far as I can remember once both meet the criteria that is the case. They are both entitled to the 750k. So as long as they own enough of the business then the relief is 750k each.


    Provided they hold 50% each, if not they would be advised to change the shareholding to make it 50% 50% which can be transfered tax free of course between husband and wife


  • Registered Users Posts: 366 ✭✭levi


    figrolls wrote: »
    7upfree wrote: »
    As far as I can remember once both meet the criteria that is the case. They are both entitled to the 750k. So as long as they own enough of the business then the relief is 750k each.


    Provided they hold 50% each, if not they would be advised to change the shareholding to make it 50% 50% which can be transfered tax free of course between husband and wife

    It can only be transferred tax free between husband and wife before the age of 55, once over 55, I think it takes up some of the 750k threshold that's why when planning have to transfer the assets before 55...


  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭figrolls


    levi wrote: »
    It can only be transferred tax free between husband and wife before the age of 55, once over 55, I think it takes up some of the 750k threshold that's why when planning have to transfer the assets before 55...


    ohhh thank you, I over looked that!


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭funkymonkey9


    Hey guys,

    Wonder if someone could help me with a q on Jones Fine Furniture.

    In appendix 1 they do a valuation for the company. In the assets based method they reduce net assets by 30k to account for the bad debt and write down of equipment.

    In the earnings based method, they do not adjust the profit for these when doing the valuation. Why is this?

    Also in the P/E method, I thought you applied the p/e ratio to EBITDA and not profit after tax?? Is there a reason its computed differently in the cases?


  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭notanocelot



    Hey guys,

    Wonder if someone could help me with a q on Jones Fine Furniture.

    In appendix 1 they do a valuation for the company. In the assets based method they reduce net assets by 30k to account for the bad debt and write down of equipment.

    In the earnings based method, they do not adjust the profit for these when doing the valuation. Why is this?

    Also in the P/E method, I thought you applied the p/e ratio to EBITDA and not profit after tax?? Is there a reason its computed differently in the cases?

    P/E method is about what's available to shareholders. Shareholders can only be paid out of distributable reserves, which are accounting profits. Hence it has to be PAT.

    Net assets method is about liquidation value, so you have to write down assets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭figrolls


    Hey guys,

    Wonder if someone could help me with a q on Jones Fine Furniture.

    In appendix 1 they do a valuation for the company. In the assets based method they reduce net assets by 30k to account for the bad debt and write down of equipment.

    In the earnings based method, they do not adjust the profit for these when doing the valuation. Why is this?

    ?

    My thinking on this would be that the bad debt and write off are one offs, the earnings valuation should be reasonable earnings - so removing exceptional items

    could be wrong on that, it wuld just be my way of approaching it


  • Registered Users Posts: 670 ✭✭✭figrolls


    faer2203 wrote: »
    Hey guys, just wondering if anyone done Green Homes, just in the valuation of the co, how are they getting the express valuation formula? looks like there multiplying profit by 6.6, but dont know where the 6.6 comes from

    they are dividing profit by 15% - the required rate of return as mentioned on the first page


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  • Registered Users Posts: 49 faer2203


    figrolls wrote: »
    they are dividing profit by 15% - the required rate of return as mentioned on the first page
    Thanks that was wrecking my head!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭mrduffy


    Black and white

    Finance lease adjustment 22 000

    where do they get this from ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 563 ✭✭✭BESman


    Anyone do the 2011 Mock Core (Brilliant Bee)? I found this one very difficult. The indicators are a lot more cryptic as you're not really asked for a memo or anything. I missed two big indicators on Management Accounting. Normally I'd consider myself decent at identifying the indicators (not so good at competently answering them...). If I can't even identify them I'm in big trouble.

    There's also a whole indicator on designing a cartoon bee character (no lie). My boss will be really pleased when he hears all I have learned as a result of these expensive exams.


  • Registered Users Posts: 49 faer2203


    In mechelec does anyone know where the 13% cost of capital comes from?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭ferike1


    Oh that, that is an assumption that a company of that size should use it.

    Did you not know that? It is common knowledge or so the institute think :D

    Its like knowing that banks are willing to lend x4 EBITDA or that DCC traded at x6 its EBITDA. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 49 faer2203


    ferike1 wrote: »
    Oh that, that is an assumption that a company of that size should use it.

    Did you not know that? It is common knowledge or so the institute think :D

    Its like knowing that banks are willing to lend x4 EBITDA or that DCC traded at x6 its EBITDA. :)

    Haha, sure we could make up any figures and it could be right, such a s*** exam this is!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 dee359


    ferike1 wrote: »
    Oh that, that is an assumption that a company of that size should use it.

    Did you not know that? It is common knowledge or so the institute think :D

    Its like knowing that banks are willing to lend x4 EBITDA or that DCC traded at x6 its EBITDA. :)

    Oh yeah I came across all that as well. The institute would disgust ya. Dunno what will happen on the day of the exam if my mind-reading skills fail to work.. :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭ferike1


    To be fair though, I'd much prefer this type of work. My day goes by tying out bank statements. I'd much rather be telling CEOs/MDs/Finance Directors that their proposed valuation is horsesh*t or that their IT budget is arbitrary. I am sure they will only too happy for a twentysomething year old to tell them that they are running their company into the ground or that they have bad Corporate Governance.

    The world as described by these cases is an exciting one indeed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 169 ✭✭mrduffy


    sample paper 2
    mrduffy wrote: »
    Black and white

    Finance lease adjustment 22 000

    where do they get this from ?

    anyone know how they get or is it assumed !


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  • Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭ucd.1985


    Just did the infamous Locust Coffee question.

    What an absolute shocking question.

    Anyone ever figure out how to calculate the breakeven?


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