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LighterGuy

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I already have a job. I work for a small company who are hanging on by their fingertips for the last 18 months. Every month could have been our last and still may be. so I am not as far away from a dole queue as you may imply.

Its good you have a job
But question is, if you lost your job ... would you genuinely apply for an internship?

Micky Dolenz

LighterGuy wrote: »

Its good you have a job
But question is, if you lost your job ... would you apply for an internship?

As I said, depends how long I was off work for and couldn't get decent paid work. I would consider it. these companies can offer any sort of job, it's up to me, you, the work force to decide if it's for them.

Run_to_da_hills

Call a picket outside Dixons.

mikemac1

Vote yes for jobs

ThePower11

mikemac1 wrote: »

Vote yes for jobs

Isn't he dead?

LighterGuy

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

As I said, depends how long I was off work for and couldn't get decent paid work. I would consider it. these companies can offer any sort of job, it's up to me, you, the work force to decide if it's for them.

Disagree with me all you want, But that sounded like an official answer: yes. Unofficially answer: no.

starbelgrade

ThePower11 wrote: »

How would the minimum income work?

It's similar to the minimum wage in that it provides a minimum amount of pay that people can be paid for their work. The main difference is that with a minimum wage, there is no guarantee on what a worker will earn - ie., you could be on a minimum wage of say €10 per hour, but if you only work 2 hours per week or month or even year, then it's really of no benefit to you.

A minimum income means that if you are working, that you are guaranteed a basic wage over a certain period of time.

Oranage2

Simple fact is dont take this type of internship if you dont want it!

Tough its pretty disgusting this type of position is allowed.

Savman

Work for a wealthy multinational that turned over £57m profit in 2010 as a tea-making fridge-lifting back-breaking warehouse monkey for nothing?

I'd prefer the dole, personally.

Crazy Horse 6

Oranage2 wrote: »

Simple fact is dont take this type of internship if you dont want it!

Tough its pretty disgusting this type of position is allowed.

Simple fact is this type of "internship" should'nt be on the market. It is not what the jobreach scheme should be about.

Doc Ruby

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I'd consider anything if I didn't have work and was doing nothing.

PM sent. :cool:

Seriously though this is bullshit. Internships are meant for highly skilled positions where experience counts, not for loading up trucks. Its an abuse of the system, an abuse of the taxpayer, and an abuse of the country. There is no possible defence. End of story.

There really is no other interpretation of this cynical move by Dixons, and I for one will never be giving them my business again.

Mind you I think the whole internship scheme is warped abuse to start with, but how and ever.

stovelid

Lol at half the people pretending they would do one of these internships.

Crazy Horse 6

stovelid wrote: »

Lol at half the people pretending they would do one of these internships.

I think they are just on the wind up tbh.

stupidusername

Starbelgrade, how's your intern working out for you?

Micky Dolenz

What other companies are involved in these internships?

Micky Dolenz

stovelid wrote: »

Lol at half the people pretending they would do one of these internships.

who are the half claiming they would do it?

starbelgrade

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Internships are meant for highly skilled positions where experience counts, not for loading up trucks.

That's a bit of a double standard when you think about it - why is it acceptable that highly educated people do internships in highly skilled jobs and not acceptable for people who are not so educated to do internships in lowly skilled jobs?

Surely if a system is fair & equitable, then it should be open to everyone, regardless of their skill levels or education?

Doc Ruby

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's a bit of a double standard when you think about it - why is it acceptable that highly educated people do internships in highly skilled jobs and not acceptable for people who are not so educated to do internships in lowly skilled jobs?

Surely if a system is fair & equitable, then it should be open to everyone, regardless of their skill levels or education?

Thats why I said internships are warped abuse regardless. But the thinnest veneer of an excuse is that it helps young people get a leg up in sophisticated industries. Maybe it does. But they should be able to get a leg up while being compensated for contributing to their company.

FGR

How could anybody consider doing this job seriously when they know it's a road to nowhere? Sure they might tease with the suggestion that there might be a fully paid role at the end of the internship but there's no obligation on them to offer same.

starbelgrade

stupidusername wrote: »

Starbelgrade, how's your intern working out for you?

He's doing really well. His intern contract finishes in February & I've given him the option of staying on with me in a full time (paid) job if he chooses to do so.

He's half thinking of going to Australia as a lot of his mates emigrated there recently, so it remains to be seen what happens.

I'd like him to stay on though as he's a hard working, honest & likeable guy.

partyatmygaff

kowloon wrote: »

Formal education costs money, but the library is cheap.

Reading books all day is great. You'll educate yourself and amass a great deal of knowledge...

The only trouble is that no one will recognise your self-education. It's unfortunately completely worthless for someone trying to get a job.

That said, taking software development as an example, someone could quite feasibly take out a few books on Java and learn how to create simple applications that they could sell on the likes of the Android Market. It's probably the most realistic way somebody could turn a library education in to something that can earn them money.

It sure beats volunteering yourself to be a slave to DSG Ireland anyway. Why would anyone waste their life working for free doing manual labour just to help line the pockets of DSG's shareholders?

stupidusername

starbelgrade wrote: »

He's doing really well. His intern contract finishes in February & I've given him the option of staying on with me in a full time (paid) job if he chooses to do so.

He's half thinking of going to Australia as a lot of his mates emigrated there recently, so it remains to be seen what happens.

I'd like him to stay on though as he's a hard working, honest & likeable guy.

That's good to hear. Hope it works out for you. But what will you do if he doesn't stay on?

starbelgrade

stupidusername wrote: »

That's good to hear. Hope it works out for you. But what will you do if he doesn't stay on?

Get another slave.

mickdw

The theory of people on the dole getting alittle more money to get out to work is good. The idea that a major company can avail of free labour is a scandal. If government put in €150 for 6 months and company put in €150, it might be an idea.

Tiddlypeeps

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's a bit of a double standard when you think about it - why is it acceptable that highly educated people do internships in highly skilled jobs and not acceptable for people who are not so educated to do internships in lowly skilled jobs?

Surely if a system is fair & equitable, then it should be open to everyone, regardless of their skill levels or education?

Your missing the point of the program. It's to offer people experience in positions that require a skill, where the person is unlikely to find work without any experience. If someone can't find a low skilled job it's typically because there simply aren't any positions not because they have no experience.

I like the idea behind this program, I run a start up company and we're currently taking advantage of it. We wouldn't be able to afford to hire anyone so the placement isn't taking the position of someone who would otherwise be paid. It's a win/win situation, the guy gets experience and we get free work done. Hopefully when the 9 months are up we'll be in a position to hire him.

The program is run very badly IMO, all we had to do to avail of it was fill in the advert they put on their website. They say the positions isn't supposed to displace anyone but they don't do any formal checks. The likes of dixons taking advantage of this is a total disgrace.

BASHIR

After 5 months on the dole and getting nowhere enough was enough, am currently a "slave" and really enjoying it to be honest. Beats stayin up till 3-4 in the mornin and wasting my days. Am still applyin for other jobs too same as before.

Slunk

Id be interested to hear what Currys Declan has to say on this tomorrow. Either way i hope it backfires on them and they deservingly lose customers over this. Sadly though they will let a paid worker go before the intern.

fortwilliam

Don't forget one thing,
Mikey, your warehouse mate who will help you lift the fridge onto the truck is a fully paid staff member.
While you both do the same job lifting the same washing machines and cookers, turning up to work on time and having the same breaks, when he says on Friday "Wanna come down the local for a few scoops after work, after all it is payday"

What would your answer be?

Doctor Jimbob

mickdw wrote: »

The theory of people on the dole getting alittle more money to get out to work is good. The idea that a major company can avail of free labour is a scandal. If government put in €150 for 6 months and company put in €150, it might be an idea.

This, pretty much.

The company is abusing this, no doubt, but I'm shocked at the amount of people here saying they'd rather be on the dole. That's an awful attitude to have. At the end of the day this is an opportunity to get experience. It's not a great job, but it's still a job.

partyatmygaff

mickdw wrote: »

The theory of people on the dole getting alittle more money to get out to work is good. The idea that a major company can avail of free labour is a scandal. If government put in €150 for 6 months and company put in €150, it might be an idea.

If I was looking for staff for a company of mine i'd jump at the opportunity of getting six months of labour for €300 let alone €150 or completely free as it is now.

Fair enough if this was for a job that would actually offer some experience or skills in return but this is manual labour we're talking about. The government is more or less giving certain businesses a carte blanche to enslave people on the dole.

BASHIR wrote: »

After 5 months on the dole and getting nowhere enough was enough, am currently a "slave" and really enjoying it to be honest. Beats stayin up till 3-4 in the mornin and wasting my days. Am still applyin for other jobs too same as before.

Did you get a "General Operative" job or something that's actually giving you useful experience?

Slunk

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

This, pretty much.

The company is abusing this, no doubt, but I'm shocked at the amount of people here saying they'd rather be on the dole. That's an awful attitude to have. At the end of the day this is an opportunity to get experience. It's not a great job, but it's still a job.

Experience at what exactly?
See that fridge there, put it in that van. Repeat for nine months. Bye bye

stupidusername

It could be a good idea, if it's run correctly and there genuinely is space for a job for the candidate afterwards, and if the company isn't just trying to cut costs. Many of the positions have been taken up by Supervalu, Tesco, Topaz, and I wouldn't regard experience with those companies or in similar jobs as valuable enough for taxes to be spent on.

Doctor Jimbob

Slunk wrote: »

Experience at what exactly?
See that fridge there, put it in that van. Repeat for nine months. Bye bye

So? It's still experience isn't it?

kowloon

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Reading books all day is great. You'll educate yourself and amass a great deal of knowledge...

The only trouble is that no one will recognise your self-education. It's unfortunately completely worthless for someone trying to get a job.

Agreed, most employers won't look at you if you don't have the paper to back you up. But given the choice I'd rather spend the time learning something for myself than working for nothing.
That extra €50 just wouldn't be enough. I'd spend a fair chunk of it on travel and lunches anyway.

starbelgrade

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

Your missing the point of the program. It's to offer people experience in positions that require a skill, where the person is unlikely to find work without any experience. If someone can't find a low skilled job it's typically because there simply aren't any positions not because they have no experience.

The point of the program is to allow people with no experience in a field to gain experience in that field. That can work for people who've either never worked or have worked in specialist areas.

For example, I know people who were laid off from architecture practices who couldn't get jobs anywhere because they were too specialised in their education & experience. Shops, hotels, factories simply didn't want them, but two of them are now working in the service industry because the employers took a punt on them through this scheme.

Just because you are highly educated doesn't make you good material for a barman or a line worker in a factory and to be of the opinion that low level skilled jobs can be done by anyone with half a brain and no experience does a great dis-service to the many people working in those jobs.

yourpics

Slunk wrote: »

Id be interested to hear what Currys Declan has to say on this tomorrow. Either way i hope it backfires on them and they deservingly lose customers over this. Sadly though they will let a paid worker go before the intern.

+1

Slunk

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

So? It's still experience isn't it?

Well i can lift the fridge in my kitchen to the other side. Ill gain all the relevant experience i need. Doesn't take nine months

Ace2007

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Did you get a "General Operative" job or something that's actually giving you useful experience?

What does that mean?

Crazy Horse 6

kowloon wrote: »

Agreed, most employers won't look at you if you don't have the paper to back you up. But given the choice I'd rather spend the time learning something for myself than working for nothing.
That extra €50 just wouldn't be enough. I'd spend a fair chunk of it on travel and lunches anyway.

What extra 50?

Eric Cartman

While ill agree its ****ty, everyone on the dole longterm should be made apply for these jobs, atleast made work for their easy money

Sykk

mkdon05 wrote: »

I'll boycott any company taking advantage of people like this. Manual labour does not require experience and therefore these jobs are of no benefit to anyone bar the company receiving free labour.

Quoted for the hilarity.

BASHIR

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Did you get a "General Operative" job or something that's actually giving you useful experience?

Engineering related, but it's the social factor too god it's depressin bein on the dole. Also How in hell can you expect to compete for jobs if you have huge gaps in your c.v.

I know its not my ideal scenario buts its the best one available to me at this present time. 6-9 months isn't that bad either. better to be seen doin something for that time than havin nothing on my cv.

partyatmygaff

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

So? It's still experience isn't it?

Yes, a very bad life experience. Not work experience that may actually benefit you.

Ace2007 wrote: »

What does that mean?

I was asking Bashir specifically if the internship he got was a proper internship doing a job that was giving him useful work experience and skills or was it simply "Working for the sake of it" doing something like stacking shelves in a shop.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

While ill agree its ****ty, everyone on the dole longterm should be made apply for these jobs, atleast made work for their easy money

Everyone on the dole should be given an extra €50 a week by the government and handed over to private enterprises to be used for manual labour.

Sounds like a good plan alright.

Doctor Jimbob

Slunk wrote: »

Well i can lift the fridge in my kitchen to the other side. Ill gain all the relevant experience i need. Doesn't take nine months

All right, try putting that on a C.V and see how far it gets you then.

ThePower11

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

What extra 50?

If you take up an internship you get an extra €50 p/w on you're dole.

Doctor Jimbob

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes, a very bad life experience. Not work experience that may actually benefit you.


I was asking Bashir specifically if the internship he got was a proper internship doing a job that was giving him useful work experience and skills or was it simply "Working for the sake of it" doing something like stacking shelves in a shop.


Everyone on the dole should be given an extra €50 a week by the government and handed over to private enterprises to be used for manual labour.

Sounds like a good plan alright.

A very bad life experience? Seriously? You're so arrogant you think work like this is a bad life experience? Wise up.

partyatmygaff

BASHIR wrote: »

Engineering related, but it's the social factor too god it's depressin bein on the dole. Also How in hell can you expect to compete for jobs if you have huge gaps in your c.v.

I know its not my ideal scenario buts its the best one available to me at this present time. 6-9 months isn't that bad either. better to be seen doin something for that time than havin nothing on my cv.

In fairness that's not the same as a "General Operative" internship. The internship you're doing is actually useful. Even what could be considered as 'manual labour' in Engineering (The likes of machining e.t.c.) would count as useful work experience by my standards.

Sir Oxman

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

As I said, depends how long I was off work for and couldn't get decent paid work. I would consider it. these companies can offer any sort of job, it's up to me, you, the work force to decide if it's for them.

Please don't forget that this is part of this govts 'Job Activation' program as being pushed by our overlords the IMF/EU just this week.
The message is engage with it (eventually) or be punished.

This is what the labour market in Ireland is coming to - actual paying jobs being replaced with low state subsidised 'internships'.

It's Orwellian.

partyatmygaff

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A very bad life experience? Seriously? You're so arrogant you think work like this is a bad life experience? Wise up.

Arrogant?

Is it arrogant to think that wasting six months of your life emptying trucks and moving boxes around for no reward is a bad life experience?

Maybe you might enjoy tiring yourself out every day to help the shareholders of DSG get higher dividends. If you do, more power to you. As for me I can think of far better things to do with my time.

Doc Ruby

lol@the people making a profit from my taxes.

I've a brainwave lads, here's what we'll do. The next time I roll into your place of business, you give me a discount equivalent to whatever you saved by not paying the minimum wage to your workers.

Sound fair?

READ THIS: unskilled positions are NOT ALLOWED within the scheme, and although the process to remove them is convoluted, it does indeed exist. There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON LEGALLY OR OTHERWISE to have low skilled or unskilled positions in this scheme.

NONE.

So even the whores in government who set this shambles up think you're wrong.