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yourpics

ThePower11 wrote: »

Playing football will get them off there asses too, whats you're point?

Like my point earlier, I do alot of work which benefits my community (rather than tesco) and gets me off my ass.

a-k-47

denballs wrote: »

some people cant get a job stocking shelves...so yes....thats the idea

but you dont need exp stocking shelves you goober.

What person in their right mind wants to work for a multi national company for nothing?. You my friend are a fkg idiot.

hondasam

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's far from ideal, but at least it's experience. Calling it slave labour is the ridiculous thing here.

I would be all for the experience if it was proper experience but stacking shelves hardly requires a lot of training.
Lets call it cheap or reduced labour then.

denballs

10green bottles wrote: »

denballs wrote: »

No i didnt.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76348474&postcount=387

Catch up

KARGURL QUOTED ME WRONG...AND THE QUOTES SINCE HER POST HAVE QUOTED WITH THE WRONG POSTER.....sorry bottles

Doctor Jimbob

robbie7730 wrote: »

If you packed and unpacked the xbox every day before and after use, that would be as good as the tesco shelf stacking experience.

That's a pretty bad attitude to have to be honest.

ThePower11 wrote: »

Playing football will get them off there asses too, whats you're point?

It would, but I've seen people sit on the dole to the point where they've lost the motivation to do anything. For people like this, any kind of work would be a bonus.

a-k-47

yourpics wrote: »

Like my point earlier, I do alot of work which benefits my community (rather than tesco) and gets me off my ass.

working for dixons hardly benefits the community.

partyatmygaff

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I already said I would.

The business being hypothetical doesn't stop you from expanding on why you would, does it?

How would working for my hypothetical business be any better for you or society as a whole than you sitting at home reading Wikipedia?

partyatmygaff

hondasam wrote: »

I would be all for the experience if it was proper experience but stacking shelves hardly requires a lot of training.
Lets call it cheap or reduced labour then.

Let's not hondasam. It's free labour, pure and simple. Unless you're getting proper experience in return, it's free labour.

ThePower11

I can see it now, guy at an interview is asked "what experience have you in this engineering field",

Interviewee: "well I stacked shelves in Tesco for 9 months"

Interviewer: "really? when can you start?".

Doctor Jimbob

yourpics wrote: »

Like my point earlier, I do alot of work which benefits my community (rather than tesco) and gets me off my ass.

That's certainly a better thing to do. Fair play.

a-k-47 wrote: »

but you dont need exp stocking shelves you goober.

What person in their right mind wants to work for a multi national company for nothing?. You my friend are a fkg idiot.

In your opinion. You're getting a bit abusive there for no good reason.

hondasam wrote: »

I would be all for the experience if it was proper experience but stacking shelves hardly requires a lot of training.
Lets call it cheap or reduced labour then.

It might not be proper experience to you but to some people it would be a big help. It wouldn't be ideal experience for me either but I'd find it more fulfilling than having no job.

denballs

a-k-47 wrote: »

but you dont need exp stocking shelves you goober.

What person in their right mind wants to work for a multi national company for nothing?. You my friend are a fkg idiot.

tesco will have at least 100 cv,s......the manager needs a stockist.....looks at 25 cv,s.....sees 1 person did an internship for tesco or dixons and the other has done nothing....who gets the job?


and unless your in the top 2 percentile of IQ holders on the planet do not even try to insult my intelligence again you worthless arrogant sub-human piece of trash.

Bruthal

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's a pretty bad attitude to have to be honest.

Well i wouldnt take it too seriously now, it was sort of a joke.

Katgurl

yourpics wrote: »

Katgurl wrote: »

there are jobs but not a fraction as much as there used to be.

Nearly all the hires I have heard of recently have been through word of mouth.

A lot of companies through cutting costs have slashed their advertising accounts with websites like irishjobs and issued a freeze on using recruitment agencies.

So you have to look hard for them and they won't be found at home searching through ads.

Drawing up lists of companies in your desired field / location is one approach, find out who hr person is and send in cv an cover letter. Apply with cv in person to all cafes, shops, bars, restaurants. Ask everyone you know if their employer is hiring. Set up a linkedin profile and search proactively through that. Attend job and industry fairs and get talking to relevant people. And finally, take any work you can even unpaid crappy work to prevent a gap on your cv and while you're there ASK for a job, someone might mention "oh my wife's colleague resigned this morning". You can argue all you like but I am speaking from first-hand experience here. If all you do is answer job adverts you are giving yourself no advantage.

Plus does the scheme prevent people getting kicked off dole / scheme after 2 years?

I have done all those believe it or not!
Do you know of any work going? What industry are you in?

pm me

ThePower11

hondasam wrote: »

I would be all for the experience if it was proper experience but stacking shelves hardly requires a lot of training.
Lets call it cheap or reduced labour then.

If only. It's free labour, the company pays nothing, not even a free lunch.

Doctor Jimbob

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The business being hypothetical doesn't stop you from expanding on why you would, does it?

How would working for my hypothetical business be any better for you or society as a whole than you sitting at home reading Wikipedia?

I can't fully explain why, I'd just feel more...useful i suppose.

ThePower11 wrote: »

I can see it now, guy at an interview is asked "what experience have you in this engineering field",

Interviewee: "well I stacked shelves in Tesco for 9 months"

Interviewer: "really? when can you start?".

And what about people who aren't looking for engineering jobs?

ThePower11

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

And what about people who aren't looking for engineering jobs?

Insert relevant job title in place of engineering.

Bruthal

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

In your opinion. You're getting a bit abusive there for no good reason.

Yes no need for abuse at all.

Doctor Jimbob

denballs wrote: »

tesco will have at least 100 cv,s......the manager needs a stockist.....looks at 25 cv,s.....sees 1 person did an internship for tesco or dixons and the other has done nothing....who gets the job?


and unless your in the top 2 percentile of IQ holders on the planet do not even try to insult my intelligence again you worthless arrogant sub-human piece of trash.

But people who are looking for careers in tesco don't actually count for the purposes of this argument (apparently) :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

denballs wrote: »

tesco will have at least 100 cv,s......the manager needs a stockist.....looks at 25 cv,s.....sees 1 person did an internship for tesco or dixons and the other has done nothing....who gets the job?

These "internships" should not even exist. If companies are going to start demanding that you work for them for free for six months before they'll even consider gracing you with the opportunity to get a job with them, they deserve to go bankrupt.

Doctor Jimbob

ThePower11 wrote: »

Insert relevant job title in place of engineering.

All right, job in store stacking shelves.

yourpics

That's enough debating for today, good night

partyatmygaff

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I can't fully explain why, I'd just feel more...useful i suppose.

That's right.

You'd be very useful. To me, that is. That's the whole problem. I'd be using your hard work to make money and get rich without so much as needing to even thank you.

hondasam

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Let's not hondasam. It's free labour, pure and simple. Unless you're getting proper experience in return, it's free labour.

Yes it is but I read all this thread and I'm trying to see some positive things in the scheme.
I understand it must be terrible to have to hang around at home every day with nothing to do.
for that I understand some people are happy to do this work for the experience or what ever.
If it was me I would use my time helping out in the community rather than benefit a profitable company.

ThePower11

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

All right, job in store stacking shelves.

Sorry but no such job title exists, try again.

Son Of A Vidic

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Because it's a fúcking job.

Porn star?

denballs

ThePower11 wrote: »

Insert relevant job title in place of engineering.

Diageo recently recruited an apprentice electrician .......in the interview i can tell you for a fact the exact wording of one of their questions was....have you had any recent employment, even anything not related to the positione you,ve applied to, just somthing that shows you,ve had experience in a working environment?....

Doctor Jimbob

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's right.

You'd be very useful. To me, that is. That's the whole problem. I'd be using your hard work to make money and get rich without so much as needing to even thank you.

I do understand your point in a way, I just think doing the work would be of benefit to me too. Not as much benefit, but hey, that doesn't bother me. That's not to say I'd stay in the job for years and take endless ****, I'd be on the outlook for better opportunities and jump ship as soon as i got the chance

ThePower11

hondasam wrote: »

Yes it is but I read all this thread and I'm trying to see some positive things in the scheme.
I understand it must be terrible to have to hang around at home every day with nothing to do.
for that I understand some people are happy to do this work for the experience or what ever.
If it was me I would use my time helping out in the community rather than benefit a profitable company.

This!

Go help out at the local old folks home, charity shop, church, hell even go and offer to cut the grass, paint, sweep at you're local GAA/Soccer/Rugby club but don't go and let hugely profitable multi-national companys take advantage of you.

Doctor Jimbob

ThePower11 wrote: »

Sorry but no such job title exists, try again.

I've certainly seen it as at least part of a job description.

partyatmygaff

denballs wrote: »

Diageo recently recruited an apprentice electrician .......in the interview i can tell you for a fact the exact wording of one of their questions was....have you had any recent employment, even anything not related to the positione you,ve applied to, just somthing that shows you,ve had experience in a working environment?....

"No I haven't but i'm eager to start working."

"Ok, we'll give you the job but we aren't going to bother with pay or anything like that mind you. No one getting their first job deserves to get paid."

I cannot fathom how you and Doctor Jimbob still cannot understand the huge problem "Internships" like these will cause.

ThePower11

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I've certainly seen it as at least part of a job description.

Just a pity I wasn't talking about job descriptions.

Doctor Jimbob

partyatmygaff wrote: »

"No I haven't but i'm eager to start working."

"Ok, we'll give you the job but we aren't going to bother with pay or anything like that mind you. No one getting their first job deserves to get paid."

I cannot fathom how you and Doctor Jimbob still cannot understand the huge problem "Internships" like these will cause.

You're just twisting things now. Come on.

10green bottles

Diageo :rolleyes: That shower of money grabbing,lets fcuk up a Town pack of money grabbing share holding pieces of absolute scum sucking arse hats.
Ooppps!! I appear to have let my anger get the better of me,sorry. (fkn not)

mikemac1

hondasam wrote: »

If it was me I would use my time helping out in the community rather than benefit a profitable company.

Were you around in the eighties and early nineties?

Do you remember the FÁS wall?

People sent out to the community
Sometimes they did good work and sometimes they built walls that were not even needed but hey, kept them busy

denballs

partyatmygaff wrote: »

"No I haven't but i'm eager to start working."

"Ok, we'll give you the job but we aren't going to bother with pay or anything like that mind you. No one getting their first job deserves to get paid."

I cannot fathom how you and Doctor Jimbob still cannot understand the huge problem "Internships" like these will cause.

erm...you do understand the meaning of the word apprenticeshoip.......................and well internship also ...for that matter............erm...dont you.....perhaps thats the problem your simply ignorant and not just angry and stubborn.

Katgurl

partyatmygaff wrote: »

denballs wrote: »

Diageo recently recruited an apprentice electrician .......in the interview i can tell you for a fact the exact wording of one of their questions was....have you had any recent employment, even anything not related to the positione you,ve applied to, just somthing that shows you,ve had experience in a working environment?....

"No I haven't but i'm eager to start working."

"Ok, we'll give you the job but we aren't going to bother with pay or anything like that mind you. No one getting their first job deserves to get paid."

I cannot fathom how you and Doctor Jimbob still cannot understand the huge problem "Internships" like these will cause.

I burst out laughing at proposed dialogue despite you arguing against me.

I don't think they can only hire through scheme so it's certain amount per headcount.

Also with cutbacks loads of people in jobs are ending up working three jobs for price of one so the interns can help there.

My ex-employers have hired two, they are raving about them and defo going to hire at least one of them properly.

denballs

10green bottles wrote: »

Diageo :rolleyes: That shower of money grabbing,lets fcuk up a Town pack of money grabbing share holding pieces of absolute scum sucking arse hats.
Ooppps!! I appear to have let my anger get the better of me,sorry. (fkn not)

yes cause giving hundreds of millions of euro to local incentives a year and paying annually to keep the guinness brewery,s historical markings intact....makes then moneygrabbers..........sure:D

hondasam

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I do understand your point in a way, I just think doing the work would be of benefit to me too. Not as much benefit, but hey, that doesn't bother me. That's not to say I'd stay in the job for years and take endless ****, I'd be on the outlook for better opportunities and jump ship as soon as i got the chance

I would agree if it was proper experience that would benefit the person but not for jobs that require a few weeks training.

It's degrading sitting at home all day but surely it would be just as bad to be working eight hours a day along side others who are getting paid and you are not.

It might be good for young people who have just finished school and have no work experience at all.

ThePower11

Katgurl wrote: »

My ex-employers have hired two, they are raving about them and defo going to hire at least one of them properly.

Why wouldn't they be "raving" about them when they aren't paying them.

partyatmygaff

denballs wrote: »

erm...you do understand the meaning of the word apprenticeshoip.......................and well internship also ...for that matter............erm...dont you.....perhaps thats the problem your simply ignorant and not just angry and stubborn.

Apprentinceship would imply that they're learning something useful.

Breaking your back emptying trucks does not teach you anything other than the name of your nearest Doctor.

Katgurl wrote: »

I burst out laughing at proposed dialogue despite you arguing against me.

I do like to inject a bit of comedy in to proceedings :P

I don't think they can only hire through scheme so it's certain amount per headcount.

Also with cutbacks loads of people in jobs are ending up working three jobs for price of one so the interns can help there.

My ex-employers have hired two, they are raving about them and defo going to hire at least one of them properly.

Well that's grand. Most internships are genuine. They're actually offering the people something in return. If not a job at the end of the internship, useful experience that they can use to get a foothold in to the field.

denballs

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Apprentinceship would imply that they're learning something useful.

Breaking your back emptying trucks does not teach you anything other than the name of your nearest Doctor.


I do like to inject a bit of comedy in to proceedings :P


Well that's grand. Most internships are genuine. They're actually offering the people something in return. If not a job at the end of the internship, useful experience that they can use to get a foothold in to the field.

if you are to reply...please understand what you are replying to.....you got confused.......perhaps not without reason.

but you seem to take things out of context...and use parts of one post with another...to make them fit in a way they wer obviously not meant to....this if we wer in a debating contest...would have you removed and lose you 2 points.

partyatmygaff

denballs wrote: »

if you are to reply...please understand what you are replying to.....you got confused.......perhaps not without reason.

Indeed.

Here are a couple of reasons:
.....too many....... ellipses....
Grammar
Sentence structure

would have you removed and lose you 2 points.

Feck.

Ah well, it's only 2 points. I was gonna head off to bed anyway.

Katgurl

ThePower11 wrote: »

Katgurl wrote: »

My ex-employers have hired two, they are raving about them and defo going to hire at least one of them properly.

Why wouldn't they be "raving" about them when they aren't paying them.

they were dubious at first about it but think the interns are great asset to the business.

Yeah it'd be better for interns if they were getting trainee wages now but then they wouldn't have gotten the jobs at all as the company has a hiring freeze on.

Bruthal

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Indeed.

Here are a couple of reasons:
.....too many....... ellipses....
Grammar
Sentence structure

Feck.

Ah well, it's only 2 points. I was gonna head off to bed anyway.

Me too, i have to be up at 11:30 in the morning.

10green bottles

denballs wrote: »

yes cause giving hundreds of millions of euro to local incentives a year and paying annually to keep the guinness brewery,s historical markings intact....makes then moneygrabbers..........sure:D

Yeoooooo !! :rolleyes: forgive me, i Forgot,they are SVP under a different name!!
Anyway we digress,i dont think they are trying to employ anybody on this awful,badly thought out scheme.
Surely this scheme was an ill thought out transitional year project that somebody in FAS believed was a runner and actually went with it. There is a car-valeting job on it of late(in Dundalk) that just needs to be seen to be believed.(can we post links up?)

ThePower11

10green bottles wrote: »

Yeoooooo !! :rolleyes: forgive me, i Forgot,they are SVP under a different name!!
Anyway we digress,i dont think they are trying to employ anybody on this awful,badly thought out scheme.
Surely this scheme was an ill thought out transitional year project that somebody in FAS believed was a runner and actually went with it. There is a car-valeting job on it of late(in Dundalk) that just needs to be seen to be believed.(can we post links up?)

Yes links have already been posted so go ahead.

Caliden

10green bottles wrote: »

JOBS YES,SLAVERY NO !!

How is it slavery if you're getting paid for it?
There's more of a chance of progression and promotion than there is if you're just sitting at home.

Coming from someone who was unemployed for 10 months, let me tell you that after 2 months it's depressing.

There's so many things attached to having a job other than money such as social interaction and just keeping busy.

Dub.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Not even....



"May" be allowed...? In other words, not only would you not be paid, you would lose moeny?



Slave as in Dixons are getting free labour.

Worse than a slave, as slaves traditionally had to be bought and paid for, and then housed and fed.

The likes of Dixons are getting a much better deal than the old slave owners.

10green bottles

ThePower11 wrote: »

Yes links have already been posted so go ahead.

LOL,i have just gone on to the Louth Jobbridge site and i see that it is gone.
I reported it to FAS yesterday via e-mail.
Basically it was a car valeting internship that required EXPERIENCE as a car valeter.(getting the experience is the purpose of the Jobbridge scheme??) I seen the name of the company that was "providing" the "job" and i will now be boycotting them.

DrGreenthumb

pay peanuts and you get monkeys,

i hope these people fleece them of their stock