Over 5,000 have child benefit suspended

battries not included

Anyone really surprised by this?


More than 5,600 people have had their child benefit for January suspended for failing to respond to a Department of Social Protection check on details and entitlements



Link:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0106/welfare.html

Sky King

I'm not surprised by anything anymore.

ThePower11

No, sure isn't half of Nigeria getting Irish Child Benefit.

Show Time

ThePower11 wrote: »

No, sure isn't half of Nigeria getting Irish Child Benefit.

And Poland.

Kiera

Moblie:

5,672 people have had their child benefit for January suspended for failing to respond to a Department of Social Protection check on details and entitlements.

The Department contacted 63,000 recipients by post last September to confirm that they still reside in Ireland and satisfy the conditions for child benefit.

Any of those people who did not write back within 42 days had their payments suspended - meaning they will have to go without children's allowance this month.

The Department says payments will be reinstated if people provide the requisite information.

Arrears will be paid once entitlement has been confirmed.

The Department says this is part of their ongoing control work to ensure resources go to those who need them most.

battries not included

Show Time wrote: »

And Poland.

and UK,

members of a certain 'indigenous people' claiming across the border...

Chuck Stone

You can be fairly confident a large chunk of that number are recently emigrated Irish folk.

God damn mutherfukkin xenophobia starts to grind in AH.

admiralofthefleet

ThePower11 wrote: »

No, sure isn't half of Nigeria getting Irish Child Benefit.

Show Time wrote: »

And Poland.

.

Doom

I'd say alot of Irish people are in this too, how many have left for Oz etc and still getting it.

WoollyRedHat

Sky King wrote: »

I'm not surprised by anything anymore.

Not even by surprises?

Nodin

ThePower11 wrote: »

No, sure isn't half of Nigeria getting Irish Child Benefit.

Showtime wrote:

And Poland.
.

And the Roma get the other two thirds. Terrible.

Carter P Fly

typically irish of the Dept to wait over a month for people to respond ensuring those 5k+ fraudsters get an additional payment.

baldbear

Doom wrote: »

I'd say alot of Irish people are in this too, how many have left for Oz etc and still getting it.

103?

Kristopherus

And ye all thought Brutal Joan was doing nothing. Now with the Pensioners as well, she is 2 - 0 up:D:D:D:D:D

smallBiscuit

Those letters are standard, we got one when our eldest finished school.
Basically, it said prove she was still in school or we've be cut off. She wasn't, do we were, no biggie. I'd say they are using that as a kinda, look we're doing something message

stupidusername

I dislike how there's non stories started in here just as a way to bring up a certain topic. so child benefit... payments suspended because they didn't respond to a letter... they must be all gone home to Nigeria for the Christmas... they'll be all caught out now... bla bla bla

Mint Sauce

Might save us a few quid.

Chuck Stone

Ireland without child benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nigeria.

battries not included

I think it will give the respondents time to make fraudulent paperwork and of course they will then get the payments backdated.

42 days is enough time to respond with relevant paperwork...

G_R

As well as all the fordiners who are takin our money, there are also genuine cases.

My mam for example. She has moved house since she started claiming child benefit, therefore didn't get the letter. She only found out about it when she rang the bank to see where the money was and the lady in the phone from the bank told her.

She rang them. She has to change her.address with them by filling out a form and posting it back, over the phone won't do, and then once that's confirmed, she'll be sent the letter again, which she has to return and will then receive her benefit again next month, provided all the above gets done in time.

I understand why they are doing this, but a radio/ tv ad campaign to let people know would have gone amis.

ThePower11

stupidusername wrote: »

I dislike how there's non stories started in here just as a way to bring up a certain topic. so child benefit... payments suspended because they didn't respond to a letter... they must be all gone home to Nigeria for the Christmas... they'll be all caught out now... bla bla bla

Well then don't read them threads then, simple really. And by even posting that little rant you are now following this thread. :rolleyes:

admiralofthefleet

what about the people who dont have it but should?

my son was born in october and we registered him soon after. we still havent recieved child benefit

stupidusername

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

As well as all the fordiners who are takin our money, there are also genuine cases.

My mam for example. She has moved house since she started claiming child benefit, therefore didn't get the letter. She only found out about it when she rang the bank to see where the money was and the lady in the phone from the bank told her.

She rang them. She has to change her.address with them by filling out a form and posting it back, over the phone won't do, and then once that's confirmed, she'll be sent the letter again, which she has to return and will then receive her benefit again next month, provided all the above gets done in time.

I understand why they are doing this, but a radio/ tv ad campaign to let people know would have gone amis.

but when you're collecting child benefit, you bring your little book don't you? which has your name and address on it? which would surely stand out as something you have to change when you move house?

ThePower11 wrote: »

Well then don't read them threads then, simple really. And by even posting that little rant you are now following this thread. :rolleyes:

it's hard not to, because there's so many of them.

LighterGuy

Tell you what guys,
The real secret is to find yourself some nigerian girl and give her a baby ... she collects the child benefit, rents cheap from the council... and you unofficially live with her :pac:

I know I make a joke of it. But can you blame anyone for working the system?

El Weirdo

stupidusername wrote: »

but when you're collecting child benefit, you bring your little book don't you? which has your name and address on it? which would surely stand out as something you have to change when you move house?

No. It can be paid into the bank.

I know ours is, anyway.

mikemac1

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

there are also genuine cases.

My mam for example. She has moved house since she started claiming child benefit, therefore didn't get the letter. She only found out about it when she rang the bank to see where the money was and the lady in the phone from the bank told her.

She rang them. She has to change her.address with them

The department are not mind readers

If you change address of course you need to inform them

stupidusername

El Weirdo wrote: »

No. It can be paid into the bank.

I know ours is, anyway.

hmmm, my sisters isn't. well that'd go somewhat towards forgetting, but still.

G_R

stupidusername wrote: »

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

As well as all the fordiners who are takin our money, there are also genuine cases.

My mam for example. She has moved house since she started claiming child benefit, therefore didn't get the letter. She only found out about it when she rang the bank to see where the money was and the lady in the phone from the bank told her.

She rang them. She has to change her.address with them by filling out a form and posting it back, over the phone won't do, and then once that's confirmed, she'll be sent the letter again, which she has to return and will then receive her benefit again next month, provided all the above gets done in time.

I understand why they are doing this, but a radio/ tv ad campaign to let people know would have gone amis.

but when you're collecting child benefit, you bring your little book don't you? which has your name and address on it? which would surely stand out as something you have to change when you move house

Paid by bank transfer

Mountainsandh

my children's benefit goes straight into my account.

Re- the letters, they are standard practice, don't see why they're mentioning that now. I'm French, and so I receive these letters at least twice a year, just fill in the form, and off it goes. One letter got lost once, and they stopped our payments, and I let it drag since it was holiday time, etc... so just got it back dated when I came back. They're no big deal, and I have to say the staff that answered my phonecalls for the back dating were really efficient and lovely, that makes a nice change.

El Weirdo

stupidusername wrote: »

hmmm, my sisters isn't. well that'd go somewhat towards forgetting, but still.

AFAIK, you can choose to collect it. I wasn't aware of this until I heard some piece on the radio yesterday morning.

EGAR

There was no paperwork to supply, just a form to sign and all they wanted to know was which school did he go to or what GP did he attend (you could choose which info to give). That was it.

ThePower11

How much is Child Benefit? Might be worth my while impregnating some luck lady :pac:

claire983

I was one of those 5,000 people who did not respond to the letter.
Well i did but just didnt post it. My bag is the Bermuda Triangle, i put something in it and never to be seen again. Anyway i received another letter stating my payment had stopped and i will receive again once the form has been signed and posted back. I did that only today.. I'v nothing to hide, just forgot was all.. My own fault, could of really done with the money this week.

G_R

mikemac1 wrote: »

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

there are also genuine cases.

My mam for example. She has moved house since she started claiming child benefit, therefore didn't get the letter. She only found out about it when she rang the bank to see where the money was and the lady in the phone from the bank told her.

She rang them. She has to change her.address with them

The department are not mind readers

If you change address of course you need to inform them

I understand that, and concede it was her own fault, I'm just saying that an ad campaign of some kind wouldn't have gone a stray.

It's not something you think about, it just arrives in your bank account each month. They never have any kind of postal correspondence. It's something that would easily slip your mind to be fair.

stupidusername

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

I understand that, and concede it was her own fault, I'm just saying that an ad campaign of some kind wouldn't have gone a stray.

It's not something you think about, it just arrives in your bank account each month. They never have any kind of postal correspondence. It's something that would easily slip your mind to be fair.

I agree that the postal correspondence is a little outdated, but think about how costly it would've been to run advertisements for reminding people.

battries not included

I think the form below is supposed to be filled out if there is a change in your/child's circumstances..

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Forms/Documents/cb56.pdf

G_R

stupidusername wrote: »

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

I understand that, and concede it was her own fault, I'm just saying that an ad campaign of some kind wouldn't have gone a stray.

It's not something you think about, it just arrives in your bank account each month. They never have any kind of postal correspondence. It's something that would easily slip your mind to be fair.

I agree that the postal correspondence is a little outdated, but think about how costly it would've been to run advertisements for reminding people.

Thats a fair point, but even if they issued a press release, plenty of radio stations would have carried it.

Callipo

Load of bollix.

The Government are on a huge media spin via RTE and other media outlets telling people what they think they want to hear.

And guess what? They are right.

Smoke and mirrors.

If they put half as much effort into reducing the countries expenditure they would be doing well.

ResearchWill

smallBiscuit wrote: »

Those letters are standard, we got one when our eldest finished school.
Basically, it said prove she was still in school or we've be cut off. She wasn't, do we were, no biggie. I'd say they are using that as a kinda, look we're doing something message

Don't think they are that standard letter, unless 9 year olds leave school, friend of mine got 2 in the last year in relation to their 9 year old.

G_R

Callipo wrote: »

If they put half as much effort into reducing the countries expenditure they would be doing well.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Is that not what this exercise is aimed at doing?

ResearchWill

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Is that not what this exercise is aimed at doing?

That's what I thought aswell, if my maths is not wrong every 5000 equates to 8.4 million a year. To put that in context we had a referendum to save 5.5 million a year in judges pay.

El Weirdo

ResearchWill wrote: »

That's what I thought aswell, if my maths is not wrong every 5000 equates to 8.4 million a year. To put that in context we had a referendum to save 5.5 million a year in judges pay.

And that's only payments for one child. How many of the 5000+ have more than one child?

Chuck Stone

stupidusername wrote: »

I agree that the postal correspondence is a little outdated, but think about how costly it would've been to run advertisements for reminding people.

You need a paper trail to make a case for/against an action (suspending payments for example).

Callipo

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Is that not what this exercise is aimed at doing?

No.

It is highlighting something that happens all the time to dupe people.

This is nothing new. It is how the system works.

ResearchWill

El Weirdo wrote: »

And that's only payments for one child. How many of the 5000+ have more than one child?

True, taking an average of 2 children saving in the order of 16 + million, per 5000.

Doom

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

what about the people who dont have it but should?

my son was born in october and we registered him soon after. we still havent recieved child benefit

Tell him to get a job, bloody sponge.......joke

ResearchWill

Callipo wrote: »

No.

It is highlighting something that happens all the time to dupe people.

This is nothing new. It is how the system works.

I know a number of people who get child benifit, and other than the letter when the child is due to leave school, none of them received this letter before the last year or so.

stupidusername

Chuck Stone wrote: »

You need a paper trail to make a case for/against an action (suspending payments for example).

except unless it's registered post, they won't have a paper trail, surely?

nudger

Stopped ours last year, no letter, nothing. rang them and they said that they had sent out a letter earlier in the year and we hadn't signed it, crap.
Sent out another one to say no we hadn't left the country. did they not notice the tax been payed from 2 pay packets every week for the last 20 years.

firemansammie

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

what about the people who dont have it but should?

my son was born in october and we registered him soon after. we still havent recieved child benefit

My son was also born middle Oct, got a double payment in Dec (for Nov & Dec) maybe you should give them a ring.

El Weirdo

nudger wrote: »

Sent out another one to say no we hadn't left the country. did they not notice the tax been payed from 2 pay packets every week for the last 20 years.

Unless, you normally pay your PAYE directly to the Dept. of Social Protection instead of the Revenue Commissioner, like everyone else, they probably wouldn't notice.