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Bad news for drinkers. FG/Labour to introduce minimum prices!

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    #452
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Its one of those taxes I have control over, I am not fooled I know the primary reason for this tax is government revenue, but I know thw trouble the Irish exchequer is in and I know it has to raise revenue.

    I would rather they got it from sales in Supermarket alcohol, of which I don't have a choice to buy, then take it out of my wage in increased PAYE of which I have no choice.


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    #453
    Don Booker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28 ✭Don Booker


    mikom wrote: »
    So pseudo-prohibition.
    Sounds good, seeing as how well alcohol prohibition worked in the United states.
    It worked well for a time. Maybe a few weeks. They didn't replace it with something else and that's why it failed. Al Capone and JFK's old man were brewers and runners.
    And one cant really say it has had any benefit to any society apart from use as a disaffected. In medicine, like.


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    #454
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Don Booker wrote: »
    And one cant really say it has had any benefit to any society apart from use as a disaffected. In medicine, like.

    Disaffected youth?


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    #455
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    If anyone wants to know why I think attempts to lower alcohol consumption in Ireland are a good thing

    Surely theyre only a good thing if theyre likely to work ?


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    #456
    Sheeps
    Registered Users Posts: 2,762 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    Why don't they just reduce the legal drinking age to 16. That will cut the under-age drinking figure and generate a new source of revenue that they're looking for.


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    #457
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    Sheeps wrote: »
    Why don't they just reduce the legal drinking age to 16. That will cut the under-age drinking figure and generate a new source of revenue that they're looking for.
    Boom. That's the kind of blue-sky thinking that we need in this recession. Give this man a junior minister's spot asap.


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    #458
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Sheeps wrote: »
    Why don't they just reduce the legal drinking age to 16.

    IIRC In Germany they have different legal ages for buying beer and spirits.

    Sounds more sensible really ?


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    #459
    Sheeps
    Registered Users Posts: 2,762 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    IIRC In Germany they have different legal ages for buying beer and spirits.

    Sounds more sensible really ?

    Just like it is in France.


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    #460
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    Boom. That's the kind of blue-sky thinking that we need in this recession. Give this man a junior minister's spot asap.





    Thinking outside the bottle?


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    #461
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    This won't affect me as any beer I buy far exceeds the proposed minimum prices. Despite this, I'm completely against the proposed law. If people want to drink then by all means they should be allowed, and to whatever extent they choose. Government should not be trying to create barriers, they don't work and never had. Prohibition never works, education is the key.

    I know the dangers of alcohol abuse and hence I only drink maybe 2/3 times per month. If others want to drink themselves into an early grave then they shouldn't be stopped from doing so.


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    #462
    Don Booker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28 ✭Don Booker


    mikom wrote: »
    Disaffected youth?

    No like domestos.


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    #463
    LH Pathe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    So I can expect to see less of a bedraggled lynch appearing at my door like fortycoats with a six pack of the dutch gold ? yay...


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    #464
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    I've a better way to combat this:

    1. Don't sell to people who are already drunk.
    2. Ask EVERYONE for ID for alcohol purchases.
    It might sound crazy, but it just might work...


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    #465
    harry Bailey esq
    Registered Users Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    see ye all in newry...


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    #466
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,658 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    This won't affect me as any beer I buy far exceeds the proposed minimum prices.
    If the base price goes up what do you think will happen to the price of premium beer ?


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    #467
    Giblet
    Registered Users Posts: 11,980 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    So if there was an identical tasting non alcoholic version of your favourite drink would you drink it? Somehow I doubt it.

    I do. What now?


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    #468
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Recommendations include:
    • End to sponsorship of sport and large events by 2016.
    • Increase price of alcohol so it becomes less affordable (increase tax, excist etc...).
    • Minimum pricing/cost per gramme of alcohol.
    • No savings on multiple purchases (no more 10 bottles for €10).
    • Advertising prohibition.
    • Social responsibility levy on drinks industry.

    http://www.dohc.ie/publications/pdf/Steering_Group_Report_NSMS.pdf?direct=1

    All the above, and all the rest of the recommendations, are actually quite funny when you consider that the very first line in Chapter 1 of the Report states:

    "While recognising that individuals are primarily responsible for their own behaviour..."

    Well, if you really believed that then there wouldn't be a need for this report!


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    #469
    CardBordWindow
    Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    It'd drive ya to drink so it would!


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    #470
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Quick alcoholics! Stock up before it's too late!


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    #471
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    A sobering prospect indeed!:(:(:(


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    #472
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Newry here we come!


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    #473
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    lol

    you think anyone is gonna read a 94 page pdf

    gtfo


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    #474
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    yay the nanny state to the rescue


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    #475
    MickySticks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Why don't they try and sort out... oh I don't know... the ****ing economy! before this meaningless crap!!! Idiots!!!


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    #476
    danniemcq
    Registered Users Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    and this after we drop to 15th on drinking table? or was it 10th?

    either way this is surely limiting or ability to preform on the world stage again and we will just be a laughing stock as all our tourists over for the craic have to carry us home


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    #477
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Its just going to push people over the border to stock up and sell it on the cheap and then we will have to poor vintners in the paper saying they are losing money to illegal sellers and then a tax sponsered crakdown that will cost more money and in the end it will change nothing but the quality of life for poor families subsidising an alcoholic or two.


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    #478
    danniemcq
    Registered Users Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    and ffs if we don't get value on multipacks who the funk is gonna spend €10 for 6 cans of dutch or Bavaria


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    #479
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    Newry here we come!
    +1
    I wonder does the government realise the amount of VAT and excise that stupid measures (haha see what I did there) like this cause.


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    #480
    danniemcq
    Registered Users Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    +1
    I wonder does the government realise the amount of VAT and excise that stupid measures (haha see what I did there) like this cause.

    well i for one always tried to do all my shopping in town (letterkenny) but things like this annoy me so much that taking an hour or 2 on a Saturday to do a trip to strabane and Asda is making more and more sense, so thats most of my wage now going over the border instead of Dublin!


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    #481
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    NEWSFLASH.

    Government cure worse than disease.

    Special interests say disease is 'good for you'.


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