Bad news for drinkers. FG/Labour to introduce minimum prices!

StephenHendry

take the price of cigarettes, i don't smoke but those who do will still buy them and did when the price increased. when the government did away with the ten pack, did it mean loads quitting smoking. it didnt and its the same with increasing drink in off licences. are the FG/labour going to regulate the price of drink in pubs/nightclubs ? the answer is no.

Paparazzo

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

LoL, it really is very funny. Political parties will talk about the importance of pubs and how awesome they are, booze companies will sponsor sporting events, a large percentage of Irish socialising will revolve around the bottle...all happily cheered on by the government...and yet there is shock when teenagers want to drink.

"Booze is horrible and wrong until you turn 18, when it magically becomes awesome!".

Fine Gael supports pubs, but it expects those pubs to sell no more than 2 drinks to any 1 customer. People don't get drunk in pubs, they only get drunk when they buy dirty "slabs" from supermarkets.

Biggins

bluewolf wrote: »

further proof it's nothing to do with teen drinking:

Fine Gael manifesto:

http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Fine%20Gael%20Manifesto%20low-res.pdf

Thats ALL it really is.

The excuses they are coming up with now will only be swallowed by the docile sheep of this country and FG supporters who wish to espouse FG's lies.

Absurdum

let's overthrow the bastards, and celebrate with a cheap flaggon

daRobot

Y'know, it's the sign of a truly sick country where the owners of pubs have so much influence.

Biggins

To quote a poster on journal.ie

http://www.thejournal.ie/minimum-prices-for-alcohol-may-be-introduced-soon-minister-323503-Jan2012/?new_comment=1#comment-209917

I am sick to the back teeth of this government and their distorted perception of just about everything.
An increase in the price of alcohol ??!!
This is your petty excuse of increasing your revenue intake.
Let me point you to a country not too far from here Roisin Shortall. FINLAND.
They have astronomic alcohol prices…has it made any difference in their excessive drinking habits? NO

I know its a different country and it could be said by opposition, a different culture - but some things are also still the same!

This price hike (in my opinion) is going to make fcuk all difference.

...Plus the pubs and their Vintners association can go screw themselves even further!
I'm further staying out of pubs even more so in protest!

Gophur

Interesting to see all the contributions, in a country where there is a ridiculous obsession with alcohol.

jay-me

DarkJager wrote: »

It's creating a ****ing nanny state. Who the **** are these clowns to preach to us about what we do in our spare time? We're living in some of the most depressing times in my memory and we have goody two shoes telling us we're drinking too much. I work and pay my extortionate taxes and I'll be ****ed if this bastard of a country is going to critique or tell me what I can do with my money in my own time.

*I suggest you get the lube and bend over so.... Nothing will stop these cnuts from doing as they wish... They own a lot of the bars so it's just less competition for them!

Lord TSC

This price hike (in my opinion) is going to make fcuk all difference.

I hate to play devil's advocate but don't you think they know this? Don't you think that the government know people will just keep buying the same amount of alcohol, regardless of the price hikes?

Let's face facts. People will complain about it, but come the weekend, they'll still be heading out to get drunk off their heads. They'll use it as an excuse to complain about the people running the country as they down their 6th or 7th of the night.

The government are doing this because they know people will still continue to drink the same amount and spend huge amounts on booze. The only way they would be hurt by this is if people boycotted pubs and alcohol in protest, and let's face it, that's never going to happen in Ireland.

Biggins

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I hate to play devil's advocate but don't you think they know this? Don't you think that the government know people will just keep buying the same amount of alcohol, regardless of the price hikes?

Let's face facts. People will complain about it, but come the weekend, they'll still be heading out to get drunk off their heads. They'll use it as an excuse to complain about the people running the country as they down their 6th or 7th of the night.

The government are doing this because they know people will still continue to drink the same amount and spend huge amounts on booze. The only way they would be hurt by this is if people boycotted pubs and alcohol in protest, and let's face it, that's never going to happen in Ireland.

True, very true!

...And thats why they will continue to get away with such things.
They know it - and we suspect they know it.

Bullseye1

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I hate to play devil's advocate but don't you think they know this? Don't you think that the government know people will just keep buying the same amount of alcohol, regardless of the price hikes?

Let's face facts. People will complain about it, but come the weekend, they'll still be heading out to get drunk off their heads. They'll use it as an excuse to complain about the people running the country as they down their 6th or 7th of the night.

The government are doing this because they know people will still continue to drink the same amount and spend huge amounts on booze. The only way they would be hurt by this is if people boycotted pubs and alcohol in protest, and let's face it, that's never going to happen in Ireland.

If we all went off the drink for a month the government would be begging us to go down to your local off license or pub. To believe the government want people to stop drinking (or reduce for the matter) and smoking is madness. They make huge money on people drinking themselves silly and smoking those 20 a day.

jack presley

Are pubs really going to benefit though? Is paying a minimum of €1.10 instead of €1 a can going to make someone go to the pub instead where they'll pay anything from €3-€5 a pint?

jackal

As a drinker of premium beers, this does not affect me. Hah hah prazky boys!

Hogzy

Sometimes I wish we could import a few hundred thousand French people to start a proper protest. God only knows the people of Ireland couldnt be bothered standing up against this stupid decision. Myself included.

jackal wrote: »

As a drinker of premium beers, this does not affect me. Hah hah prazky boys!

lol you're an idiot

cojomo2

LighterGuy wrote: »

For an example I recently saw €1 for a can of Carsberg. As it stands the government get 23 cent 18.7 cent VAT out of that euro.
If that can has to be legally sold at nothing under 2 euro. Thats 46 cent 37.4 cent VAT tax. 3 euro a can and its 69 cent 56.1 cent VAT. Its all about VAT.

Sorry, not knit picking, just really bored..

cojomo2

jackal wrote: »

As a drinker of premium beers, this does not affect me. Hah hah prazky boys!

out of curiosity, what are these premium beers you drink?

Wattle

They need to put more money into treatment facilities. People need to engage with the addiction part of their habit. Raising the price of booze is not going to stop determined regular drinkers.

ilovesleep

Hogzy wrote: »

Sometimes I wish we could import a few hundred thousand French people to start a proper protest. God only knows the people of Ireland couldnt be bothered standing up against this stupid decision. Myself included.

Not only this decision but other decisions too. Also abuse from the top and sheer discrimnation between the ordinary people and the political class and people in power. Austerity for all except for those in politics with an increase in expenses.

No accountability what so ever from the abuse from the catholic church with priests raping children.

Gardai free to assault people as they please with little justice, yet if an ordinary parson was to assault another he/she will be head accountible for his/her actions
An example: Galway's garda shane waldron assaulting a woman when he was on a night out and off duty.

Trubunals for the tax dodging politicians. Letters, fees and fines, no doubt for the pensioners where for the most part was probably an honest mistake. Yet the thieving politicians were in a position of power and they used their position for their own greedy gains.

Paparazzo

ilovesleep wrote: »

Not only this decision but other decisions too. Also abuse from the top and sheer discrimnation between the ordinary people and the political class and people in power. Austerity for all except for those in politics with an increase in expenses.

No accountability what so ever from the abuse from the catholic church with priests raping children.

Gardai free to assault people as they please with little justice, yet if an ordinary parson was to assault another he/she will be head accountible for his/her actions
An example: Galway's garda shane waldron assaulting a woman when he was on a night out and off duty.

Trubunals for the tax dodging politicians. Letters, fees and fines, no doubt for the pensioners where for the most part was probably an honest mistake. Yet the thieving politicians were in a position of power and they used their position for their own greedy gains.

Funny that they can do all that, but 10 cent on a can of cheap beer is what people want to march about

MadYaker

Im going to drink even more just to spite them the c*nts!

Bishop_Donal

I presume our politicians relationship with booze in the Dáil bar is healthy (seen as how it is subsidised)?

Mustn't sell and Dutch Gold in there.

LighterGuy

cojomo2 wrote: »

Sorry, not knit picking, just really bored..

But isnt 23% of 1 euro 23 cent? or am i insane? :P

Bishop_Donal

cojomo2 wrote: »

Sorry, not knit picking, just really bored..

Not nitpicking, but is there a 'k' in nitpicking?

LighterGuy

Actually was just talking with my bro. Seems in one of the newspapers today it said that the proposed increase will be to €1.10 a can. So nothing can be sold at anything under.

If thats the case, its not too bad. But I still expect it be to something around 2 euro. Maybe the plans is to bring it in with a small number (1.10) then bring it up in the budget year by year.... The crafty tactic huh.

Biggins

LighterGuy wrote: »

...I still expect it be to something around 2 euro. Maybe the plans is to bring it in with a small number (1.10) then bring it up in the budget year by year.... The crafty tactic huh.

Oft times, thats exactly what happens.

...And every next increase... "Aaa sure, its not as bad as they scared us it would be..."

MugMugs

Joke! I don't go out anymore because I can't afford too. Now they want it to become too expensive to stay at home too? I've had enough of this kip of a country. If I get a Canadian job then Mr Bank Manager can have the keys back.

theg81der

I think this is brilliant! I don`t drink and I`m sick of people drinking so much.

Logical Fallacy

jack presley wrote: »

Are pubs really going to benefit though? Is paying a minimum of €1.10 instead of €1 a can going to make someone go to the pub instead where they'll pay anything from €3-€5 a pint?

Nope, it won't drive people to the pubs at all.

It wasn't just pricing that killed pubs, it was rude staff, prickish managers and ****e doormen that killed them.

MugMugs

If you choose to socialize with drinkers why do you judge them on the amount they drink ?

Biggins

theg81der wrote: »

I think this is brilliant! I don`t drink and I`m sick of people drinking so much.

It MIGHT be brilliant IF it works - but I doubt it will make any significant difference at all myself.