James McClean

noodler

Yeah Darkman, you are going way OTT here.

His good games have far outnumbered his bad since he started playing for Sunderland thsi year.

I am not convined he should take any of the wingers' places who got us there now but there still nearly 3 months left.

Paully D

Young player in his first Premier League season in having a bad game shocker :eek:

Sin City

Trap, says himself and duffy will get some game time on,wed night

the realpigiron

Anyone watching MOTD 2 right now. That toolbag Murray slobbering over Alan Pardew. The Sunday Times sport section lead with an article about James McClean getting hate mail from bitter aholes from NI. Murray is aligned with that bitterness - ahole he is.

Looking forward to wednesday night hope McClean gets a start, he could be a real good player for his country for years to come.

darkman2

Was Murray talking about McClean?

CiaranC

Paully D wrote: »

Young player in his first Premier League season in having a bad game shocker :eek:

I know EPL fans sometimes think there is no such thing as football outside that league, but McClean is not a kid, hes 23 and has been a professional footballer for five years. I dont understand all these references to him being young. Hes a year younger than Lionel Messi

Raskolnikov

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2012/0309/ireland_mccleanj_trapattonig.html

"We have a good squad and the competition for him is tough as we have McGeady, Duff, Hunt and many players for this situation.

"But we are following him because he is young and his mentality is very strong, so I have not decided at this moment if he can participate in the Euros or not."

Rhys Essien

Shearer spoke highly of him tonight on Football Focus after the QPR game today.Good how they mentioned that he was league of Ireland last year and could be playing Euro 2012 this year.

Looking at the highlights he played a blinder.

I think now he surely deserves the plane ticket for Poland.

klose

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Shearer spoke highly of him tonight on Football Focus after the QPR game today.Good how they mentioned that he was league of Ireland last year and could be playing Euro 2012 this year.

Looking at the highlights he played a blinder.

I think now he surely deserves the plane ticket for Poland.

Aye played well, hopefully hell get good game time against bosnia.

How many forwards can we bring?

Fizman

whippedcream wrote: »

Aye played well, hopefully hell get good game time against bosnia.

How many forwards can we bring?

He's not a forward.

Was chatting to my old man while watching the highlights. We both shuddered at the thought of Hunt possibly getting a plane ticket instead of McClean.

briany

It doesn't matter what McClean should be getting as, for Trap, the team is already pretty much decided and barring injury McClean will be lucky to get on the sub bench. Any comments Trap made towards the possibility of inclusion are really only to humor the media and/or to make an unexpected inclusion less of a surprise, to lessen the impact on his stubborn image, if he does for some reason decide to include McClean in the squad.

Paully D

Another thing people need to remember is that opposing managers have started to make plans for him now. Often times he'll be covered by two men now and be showed inside all the time, whereas when he first started out defenders weren't really taking him seriously.....yet he still produces performances like today.

Great news that he has signed a new deal as well, tripled his wages, and well deserved!

NIMAN

As a Derry fan, confirms we were robbed.

Raskolnikov

NIMAN wrote: »

As a Derry fan, confirms we were robbed.

Maybe not. It's looking like the total windfall from the sale of McClean could reach the £1 million mark.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/sunderland-could-buy-out-james-mcclean-s-sell-on-clause-1-4388158

applehunter

Remember Tom Coughlan selling the 10% sell-on clause on Kevin Doyle's contract for £200,000 for cash flow purposes and 6 months later Doyle moved for £6m.

Rhys Essien

Any club coming back to buy out a sell on clause should be told to get stuffed.

They wouldnt do it if McClean was playing in the reserves.

And the FAI should bring in a rule that all LOI players sold to Prem/Championship clubs must have at least a 20% sell on clause.

GLaDOS

Rhys Essien wrote: »

And the FAI should bring in a rule that all LOI players sold to Prem/Championship clubs must have at least a 20% sell on clause.

Good luck getting any decent players agreeing to that, none of them will want anything putting bigger teams off them.

fullstop

NIMAN wrote: »

As a Derry fan, confirms we were robbed.

I don't think Derry can ever complain about being shafted financially :rolleyes:

doncarlos

fullstop wrote: »

I don't think Derry can ever complain about being shafted financially :rolleyes:

Maybe any funds from this can go towards paying off all the debts they walked away from. Seriously doubt it though.

Ladjacket

doncarlos wrote: »

Maybe any funds from this can go towards paying off all the debts they walked away from. Seriously doubt it though.

That is a bit harsh! McClean came through under the new regime if you like at Derry City. Things appear to be done right there nowadays. Would you pay for mistakes that your grandfather made for example?

gustavo

Ladjacket wrote: »

That is a bit harsh! McClean came through under the new regime if you like at Derry City. Things appear to be done right there nowadays. Would you pay for mistakes that your grandfather made for example?

If my grandfather was also me and it was based on things I done in the last 5 years then yes

Ladjacket

is it not a completely new entity there? new board, new company etc?

doncarlos

Ladjacket wrote: »

is it not a completely new entity there? new board, new company etc?

Oh this old chestnut.

Same Jersey, crest, ground, name, players, manager, history etc. etc..
You shouldn't be able to walk away from debts and then form the exact same club the following season claiming it's a "new entity". Everybody but the FAI can see this, although they did stop Galway United from doing the exact same this season.

Why were Derry stopped from playing in Europe this season by UEFA if they were a new entity? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17116759

Cheaters should never be rewarded.

citytillidie

doncarlos wrote: »

Oh this old chestnut.

Same Jersey, crest, ground, name, players, manager, history etc. etc..
You shouldn't be able to walk away from debts and then form the exact same club the following season claiming it's a "new entity". Everybody but the FAI can see this, although they did stop Galway United from doing the exact same this season.

Why were Derry stopped from playing in Europe this season by UEFA if they were a new entity? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17116759

Cheaters should never be rewarded.

Because it only has 2 years of accounts to play in Europe you need to have at least 3 years of accounts.

It is a different crest

All players were released from old club and signed by new club and club in the country could have came in for them when they were free agents.

They got kicked out of the Setanta cup when it happened because it was not the same team that qualified for the comp.

It is run by a completely different company.

Ground is owned by Derry City Council so anyone in the town can rent it to play in it.

Red and White are the county colour of Derry no need to change from that.

Ladjacket

My point is not to discuss the ins and outs of the financial situation involving DCFC. What I am suggesting is that McClean came through the ranks of their football club, and they are entitled to their sell on clause should it occur.

It is up to them what they do with the money. The monies owed to other people are not finances that the current board or current club incurred. I can definitely see your point re. the frustration that they can 'walk away' from their debts but whilst that law of the land is still in place, people, companies and football clubs will continue to do so.

civis_liberalis

doncarlos wrote: »

although they did stop Galway United from doing the exact same this season.

What are you on about? That isn't what happened at all.

The league chairman is a Salthill Devon man and he tried to install his own club as the "Galway" team. It obviously has fallen flat on its arse, not that he or the others in the FAI will admit it.

The debts owed by Galway United were run up by their CEO Nick Leeson and the directors. They are personally liable for the vast majority of it. The company still exists. The supporters trust paid a huge amount to suppliers etc, instead of going off and starting on their own. The directors were always working against the supporters and in the end, they made it unworkable. That is why the supporters left the directors and CEO behind to play with themselves, to join with the vast majority of the footballing people in Galway in building a community club, answerable to the people that support it.

Back on topic, fairplay to McClean. I don't even watch the premiership, never really had an interest in it, but if I see Sunderland playing these days I watch for the sake of seeing how McClean is getting on.

Shouting right in the face of an Arsenal fan when McClean scored against Arsenal just to annoy him was quite enjoyable I have to say.

It annoyed him more that I didn't give a monkeys when Arsenal won anyway.

fullstop

citytillidie wrote: »

Because it only has 2 years of accounts to play in Europe you need to have at least 3 years of accounts.

It is a different crest

All players were released from old club and signed by new club and club in the country could have came in for them when they were free agents.

They got kicked out of the Setanta cup when it happened because it was not the same team that qualified for the comp.

It is run by a completely different company.

Ground is owned by Derry City Council so anyone in the town can rent it to play in it.

Red and White are the county colour of Derry no need to change from that.

What does the '1928' in the new crest signify?

So Derry City's only honour(s) are First Division 2010 and League Cup 2011?

citytillidie

fullstop wrote: »

What does the '1928' in the new crest signify?

So Derry City's only honour(s) are First Division 2010 and League Cup 2011?

1928 is the year football 1st started in the City at this level in the IFA.

That should be the offical honours but since no other club has claimed the pervious honours they along with the history will be linked to this Derry City.

Example MK Dons claimed to be FA Cup winners in 1988 until AFC Wimbledon put in a claim with the FA and were rightfully awarded that honour.

doncarlos

citytillidie wrote: »

1928 is the year football 1st started in the City at this level in the IFA.

That should be the offical honours but since no other club has claimed the pervious honours they along with the history will be linked to this Derry City.

What a load of rubbish. So can Shelbourne claim Drumcondra's honours? Or would it have to be a new like Dublin city?

citytillidie wrote: »

Example MK Dons claimed to be FA Cup winners in 1988 until AFC Wimbledon put in a claim with the FA and were rightfully awarded that honour.

What debts did AFC Wimbledon walk away from? They are a special case as their club was franchised out to another city. You can't compare this to what Derry City did.

doncarlos

civis_liberalis wrote: »

What are you on about? That isn't what happened at all.

The league chairman is a Salthill Devon man and he tried to install his own club as the "Galway" team. It obviously has fallen flat on its arse, not that he or the others in the FAI will admit it.

The debts owed by Galway United were run up by their CEO Nick Leeson and the directors. They are personally liable for the vast majority of it. The company still exists. The supporters trust paid a huge amount to suppliers etc, instead of going off and starting on their own. The directors were always working against the supporters and in the end, they made it unworkable. That is why the supporters left the directors and CEO behind to play with themselves, to join with the vast majority of the footballing people in Galway in building a community club, answerable to the people that support it.

Can you not see how this looks from the outside? Club racks up a lot of debt, walks away from debt, reforms? How can this possibly be fair on other clubs?

There needs to be a deterrent against fans/clubs doing this and unfortunately for Galway it looks like they were made scapegoats.

karma_

This thread about Derry City or James McClean?

ctrl-alt-delete

karma_ wrote: »

This thread about Derry City or James McClean?

Aye a mod could do with McCleaning it up a bit!

I like McClean and he does a very good job for Sunderland. He had his best game that I have seen against QPR.

He is frustrating at times in terms of his crossing ability, but I suppose that can be said of any wide man. He doesn't have the trickery that a young Duff had, but I would much prefer him to Hunt.

He should have no trouble settling into the Irish system, as he really does put in a good shift on both ends of the pitch.

Lonesome Boatman

Paul4As wrote: »

Least we can fill our crap stadium!

As for being abused by his own supporters for being a Catholic...where did you pull that one out from...10 years ago!

As for standing for God Save The Queen...McClean voluntarily stood for it when he was playing youth football for Northern Ireland...and under 21s....he didn't have an issue then. Has he said he has an issue with it now???...I haven't seen him mention it anywhere.

Paul4As wrote: »

"Perhaps" is the key word in your assumption.
You got any facts to help support your assumption.
Anything direct from James?

"If you're young and an international team comes calling for you, you think 'wow, this is a big deal'. You sort of want to show off and say, 'look, I got called up'. If the Republic had come calling at the same time there would have been no doubt about it. At the time, you're young and you think it will be great for your career."

"I can even remember playing under 21s for Northern Ireland and even standing for the national anthems . . . You're looking around Windsor Park as a Catholic and seeing all the Union Jacks and listening to the songs the fans sing and I just didn't feel at home at all. Even in the squads I felt like a bit of an outsider. There weren't too many Catholics, it just didn't feel right."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/no-rest-for-the-gifted-on-mccleans-journey-to-the-top-3081196.html

Hows that?:)

briany

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

"If you're young and an international team comes calling for you, you think 'wow, this is a big deal'. You sort of want to show off and say, 'look, I got called up'. If the Republic had come calling at the same time there would have been no doubt about it. At the time, you're young and you think it will be great for your career."

"I can even remember playing under 21s for Northern Ireland and even standing for the national anthems . . . You're looking around Windsor Park as a Catholic and seeing all the Union Jacks and listening to the songs the fans sing and I just didn't feel at home at all. Even in the squads I felt like a bit of an outsider. There weren't too many Catholics, it just didn't feel right."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/no-rest-for-the-gifted-on-mccleans-journey-to-the-top-3081196.html

Hows that?:)

To me, that line I highlighted provides the greatest part of the motivation in deciding which country to play for regarding the socio-political-sporting situation we have here. You play for the one which will give you the greater chance of success. As much as he may identify with ROI, it being the center of Irish nationhood, I do have a problem with with his and that article's non acknowledgement of the simple sporting reasons for such a move. It's a bit of an elephant in the room and it actually does nothing to heal sectarian divisions to cite it as the main factor in declaring. I'm very glad that McClean is playing for Ireland, though, but I wish that players like him could talk about both sides of the coin in making the leap.

Stevecw

But if it comes down to that 23rd place on the plane after Trap has all his guys there...if its bring Coleman or McClean it just has to be McClean.......Coleman has had a nightmare of a season. For Utd game, Everton even left him outta matchday squad.

McClean is full of confidence, has to get that last 50/50 spot

Leiva

He is definitely going to the Euros.

Trap said yesterday that he is "90 to 99% certain " McClean is going.

He is the one player I am so looking forward to going over a seeing during the Euros.

Sunderland are gonna have a big job holding onto him, hope they put a big buy out figure on his contract .

NIMAN

Leiva wrote: »

He is definitely going to the Euros.

Trap said yesterday that he is "90 to 99% certain " McClean is going.

He is the one player I am so looking forward to going over a seeing during the Euros.

Sunderland are gonna have a big job holding onto him, hope they put a big buy out figure on his contract .

Can you provide a link to this quote?

Leiva

NIMAN wrote: »

Can you provide a link to this quote?

The boys on RTE Premiership quoted Trap from yesterday saying the above, and they also knew exactly the breakdown of the squad he is bringing; number of defenders, midfielders, keepers etc .

I checked the RTE player and they don't have it, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time (today) that the press have it.

NIMAN

Thanks, I searched around all the websites and although I found a few with quotes from Trap, none mentioned the one you quoted.

I hope it happens. James really deserves it. Plus Derry City will get a bigger sell-on fee if his price goes up as a result. Sweet.

Leiva

NIMAN wrote: »

Thanks, I searched around all the websites and although I found a few with quotes from Trap, none mentioned the one you quoted.

I hope it happens. James really deserves it. Plus Derry City will get a bigger sell-on fee if his price goes up as a result. Sweet.

If they were smart hopefully they get an International bonus if he becomes a regular international, also if he keeps up his current form then he will be very hot property for Sunderland to hold onto .

Early days I know but the type of player he suggests and has shown to be to date are like chickens teeth in the PL.

His second season in the PL will be the big teller but.

NIMAN

Couldn't agree more about the 'difficult' 2nd season. Teams will know about him and tactics may be put in place to nullify him. Other players burst on to the scene before, only to have their careers falter.

I do think Derry have an 'international caps clause' too.

I think the fact that Sunderland tried to buy out his sell-on clause from Derry for £500k shows that they probably believe that he will be sought after soon enough.

Paully D

NIMAN wrote: »

Can you provide a link to this quote?

Sports writer for the Sunderland Echo:

https://twitter.com/#!/YoungSunEcho

Giovanni Trappatoni: “McClean has a 90 to 99 per cent chance of going to Poland." Would be staggered if Ireland left him out anyway #SAFC

monkey9

I'd be seriously pissed of if Trap didn't bring him to the Euros. McClean over Stephen Hunt anyday!!

darkman2

https://twitter.com/#!/JMcC_23


James McClean was getting alot of abuse from Nordie fans about his decision to play for the Republic. But why is he now goading them by putting that "free Derry" picture on his facebook page? Isn't that just a bit of trolling from him? No need to be putting policital images up. It's only going to attract the goons. I thought O'Neill told him to get off twitter anyway?

Paully D

darkman2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/#!/JMcC_23


James McClean was getting alot of abuse from Nordie fans about his decision to play for the Republic. But why is he now goading them by putting that "free Derry" picture on his facebook page? Isn't that just a bit of trolling from him? No need to be putting policital images up. It's only going to attract the goons. I thought O'Neill told him to get off twitter anyway?

If people are going to abuse him he has a right to have a go back. If people can't take it, they shouldn't give it.

O'Neill just said if he's getting abused he should get himself off, that would be his advice to him, but he never told him he had to.

NIMAN

I don't think he is doing any harm using the Free Derry corner on his account.

He is a Derryman abroad, and its probably one of the most recognisable things about the city. He is from the town and I don't think he is being political by using it. I have a little ceramic one at home, and I am probably the most apolitical person around.

briany

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't think he is doing any harm using the Free Derry corner on his account.

He is a Derryman abroad, and its probably one of the most recognisable things about the city. He is from the town and I don't think he is being political by using it. I have a little ceramic one at home, and I am probably the most apolitical person around.

But he was posing with it in the wake of twitter abuse from disgruntled NI fans so it's not quite as innocent as having it sitting on his mantelpiece out of public view. He made a mistake reacting to twitter abuse at all. Did he not know that declaring would draw some sort of ire toward whatever social networking accounts he had? That kind of thing will pretty much always happen to players in his situation and rarely does either side come out looking better by getting into a politically charged mud slinging match.

Paully D

James won Sunderland's young player of the season award at the fans awards last night. He's expected to win it in the official club awards next week too.

redzerdrog

Met james after the Bolton game on saturday, comes accross as quite shy but a really nice guy.

Would love it if Trap saw sense and brought him to the Euros.

Ormus

redzerdrog wrote: »

Met james after the Bolton game on saturday, comes accross as quite shy but a really nice guy.

Would love it if Trap saw sense and brought him to the Euros.

Trap has already told us he is bringing him.