England v The UK/Britain

r3nu4l

Kotek Besar wrote: »

These days I also find myself saying "will I" instead of "shall I" and I have even ended a sentence with "do you know that kind of a way".

The beauty of Hiberno-English and colloquialisms It's one thing I love about living over here (England/Britain/UK, take your pick ), you have the RP set and then all the regional and local accents and varying colloquialisms. It's great!

Brian CivilEng

I lived in Manchester for a while, got used to calling it England and picked up a few English colloquialisms. Moved back to Dublin for five years, then spent a year in Edinburgh where I got in trouble with the locals by repeatedly referring to it as England. I don't know why I did that, I knew I was no longer living in England. I guess that when I moved back to the UK, little things over there reminded me of my time in Manchester I reverted to feeling like I was back in England.

I found plenty of "English" people who weren't fully aware of their geography too. The best example is when one of my co-workers asked the girl from Antrim how long she planned to stay in the UK.

LordSutch

abitofacomedian wrote: »

I found plenty of "English" people who weren't fully aware of their geography too. The best example is when one of my co-workers asked the girl from Antrim how long she planned to stay in the UK.

Depends on where she was when he asked?

Brian CivilEng

Maybe I didn't explain it well enough. We were having a lunchtime conversation, and they had asked me how long I planned to stay in the UK and if I planned to go home to Ireland. Then one guy asked the girl from Antrim "do you reckon you'll stay in the UK or do you plan to go home too?". He didn't get it when it was pointed out that those two things were not mutually exclusive.

JohnMearsheimer

I lived in Wales for 2 years. A lot of the people there are very proud of being from Wales and would always describe themselves as being Welsh first ahead of being British. I guess it's like me saying I'm Irish first and European second.

djpbarry

JohnMearsheimer wrote: »

I lived in Wales for 2 years. A lot of the people there are very proud of being from Wales and would always describe themselves as being Welsh first ahead of being British. I guess it's like me saying I'm Irish first and European second.

Kind of. Another analogy is the manner in which Texans, for example, are fiercely proud of being Texan, but they'll also quite happily call themselves American.

Rational Plan

Well, the problem is that the UK is not made up of equal sized components, England dominates all. For many foreigners England/Britain is the same thing, many English people think the same way. It only really bugs people from the Scotland Wales etc when some one asks them 'what part of England are you from'?

I don't think people should get that excised by peoples geographical ignorance. People live their lives in their little groves, they have their little interests and are not greatly interested in other peoples hobby horses. People in London don't think about Ireland except on St Patricks or if they want a weekend break. I imagine people in Dublin don't spend a lot of time pondering the UK very much either.

As for peoples knowledge of foreign countries, unless they go there frequently they are unlikely to bother much time thinking about them. Things that are important to the locals are strange and difficult to understand.

'Why do these people care if I think they are from that spot but not from a hundred miles away, it all fits under my finger when I look at it on the Atlas'.

londonbus

djpbarry wrote: »

That's odd. Almost everyone I know who was born in Britain, but whose parents are from a non-British background, refer to themselves as either British or British-<some other nationality>. I find the term British Pakistani (or more generally, British Asian) very common, for example.

Yeah, my wife's black - her father's from Montserrat, mother from Jamaica. She describes herself as British - not English (even though she was born in Paddington and has lived in London all her life).

English is pereceived to be solely white.

darrcow

who the fug wrote: »

Yet to meet anyone over here who would describe themselves as British, so can't see why you are hanging it on the Irish.

Only place I seen British used is in the media.

im english the wife is irish. my eldest son was born in scotland. but i wouldnt have scottish on his birth cert so hes classed as british

Kotek Besar

darrcow wrote: »

who the fug wrote: »

Yet to meet anyone over here who would describe themselves as British, so can't see why you are hanging it on the Irish.

Only place I seen British used is in the media.

im english the wife is irish. my eldest son was born in scotland. but i wouldnt have scottish on his birth cert so hes classed as british

Birth certificates don't state the holder's nationality in any case.

Your son is both a citizen of Ireland and of the United Kingdom.

A Dub in Glasgo

'Glasgow 'close to home counties'

Published on 12 March 2012

Glasgow, with its shipbuilding and industrial heartlands, is rarely confused with the leafy blue-rinse home counties of England.

But more than a third of people in a new survey believe the city formerly known as the second city of the empire is encircled by the affluent areas.

Almost 34% of people said Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham lay close to the home counties in the poll for luxury tour specialists Journeys of Distinction'

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/glasgow-close-to-home-counties.16995746

djpbarry

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

'Glasgow 'close to home counties'

Published on 12 March 2012

Glasgow, with its shipbuilding and industrial heartlands, is rarely confused with the leafy blue-rinse home counties of England.

But more than a third of people in a new survey believe the city formerly known as the second city of the empire is encircled by the affluent areas.

Almost 34% of people said Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham lay close to the home counties in the poll for luxury tour specialists Journeys of Distinction'

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/glasgow-close-to-home-counties.16995746

Nearly 60% of Brits think Mount Everest is England? I find that incredibly hard to believe.

getz

londonbus wrote: »

Yeah, my wife's black - her father's from Montserrat, mother from Jamaica. She describes herself as British - not English (even though she was born in Paddington and has lived in London all her life).

English is pereceived to be solely white.

you try telling that to a northern english born asian,you must remember that london has very little in common with the rest of england,its a immigrant city with a large diverse culture, to find true english culture you need to get out into the real english working class area,

partyguinness

getz wrote: »

you try telling that to a northern english born asian,you must remember that london has very little in common with the rest of england,its a immigrant city with a large diverse culture, to find true english culture you need to get out into the real english working class area,

That's a pretty grim prospect...:)

I have been living in 'England' for the past few years. There is no such thing as English culture.

As for the 'working class', well if you regard, Sun reading, Carling drinking obese boorish jingoistic insular yobs as the pinacle of English culture..well you may be right!

partyguinness

JohnMearsheimer wrote: »

I lived in Wales for 2 years. A lot of the people there are very proud of being from Wales and would always describe themselves as being Welsh first ahead of being British. I guess it's like me saying I'm Irish first and European second.

That's something I find quite peculiar about the Welsh and Scots.

They bang on about being Welsh/Scottish and basically not English but as far as I am concerned they are all joined at the hip. The seat of power is London, they all use the Union Jack, have the same currency, the same Royal family.

It is the British government, the British Royal family, the British army. The Welsh and Scots are full of BS when they ****e on about their national identity. If they dislike the English so effing much why are they all in bed together.

Full of ****....:mad:

getz

partyguinness wrote: »

That's a pretty grim prospect...:)

I have been living in 'England' for the past few years. There is no such thing as English culture.

As for the 'working class', well if you regard, Sun reading, Carling drinking obese boorish jingoistic insular yobs as the pinacle of English culture..well you may be right!

another southerner ,get a life and visit the heartlands,

who the fug

getz wrote: »

another southerner ,get a life and visit the heartlands,

But there be funny people in clogs, or thick in the head, and not to mention the leek and thistle eaters

djpbarry

partyguinness wrote: »

There is no such thing as English culture.

Of course there isn’t. I suppose Ireland is brimming with the stuff, is it?

Jack B. Badd

All,

While I can understand that there will be a certain amount of generalisation in a thread such as this, can we please keep the discussion & language civil & try not to tar entire nations with the same brush.

Thank you,
Jack.

A Dub in Glasgo

djpbarry wrote: »

Of course there isn’t. I suppose Ireland is brimming with the stuff, is it?

Why would Ireland be brimming with English culture?

LordSutch

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Why would Ireland be brimming with English culture?

Influenced by British culture might be nearer the mark (subtle difference).

getz

who the fug wrote: »

But there be funny people in clogs, or thick in the head, and not to mention the leek and thistle eaters

next time you are in leaning against a bar drinking half a lagar with some [limp wrist] friend and a dart flies passed your ear,thats english culture, trust the man working in clogs,dont trust the man working in the bank,[new english saying]

londonbus

Don't see any issue in having multiple identities.

I'm as English as they come. I'm British too. And I have an Irish passport and a UK one.

I'm legally but not culturally Irish; but am dead proud of the Irish side of my family.

Rugby - who do I support in an England v Ireland match?

Easy... whichever team is losing...

who the fug

getz wrote: »

next time you are in leaning against a bar drinking half a lagar with some [limp wrist] friend and a dart flies passed your ear,thats english culture, trust the man working in clogs,dont trust the man working in the bank,[new english saying]

One saucer of milk coming up

LifeBeginsAt40

UK passport, born in England. Am proud to be English, my father is proud to be Scottish and my Grandfather was German with a Jewish mother!
It does irk me when some of the Irish national TV and radio stations refer to the 'English Queen', but I put that down to lazy journalism and nothing more sinister.

I'm proud of my country of birth but am also proud of the fact that 99.99% of the people I meet on a daily basis here in Ireland are very warm and welcoming and I would expect nothing less when any of you visit the UK (all of it!).
I must admit to using the term 'flying home to see the folks in the UK' but that is probably more due to sloppy talking as it takes less time to say.

You can be misinformed and judgemental with any passport!

bwatson

partyguinness wrote: »

That's a pretty grim prospect...:)

I have been living in 'England' for the past few years. There is no such thing as English culture.

As for the 'working class', well if you regard, Sun reading, Carling drinking obese boorish jingoistic insular yobs as the pinacle of English culture..well you may be right!

England has no culture, really? :eek: I've been living in England on and off for three years and have enjoyed so much that it as a land has to offer. It has a way of life, history and character as distinctive as that of Ireland, Scotland, France, Spain or any nation for that matter.

If you have lived in England for a few years and have yet to experience the wonders that it has to offer then I pity you! Maybe a visit to the sites of English Heritage or the National Trust would be a good starting point?

Shakespeare, Chaucer, Austen, Dickens, English folklore, traditional sport, country pubs, architecture, landscapes etc do not resonate with you at all?

youreadthis

Don't worry, when ever someone is stupid enough to say England has no culture, it either means they're trolling, or if serious, are so used to England and in tune with it that they don't notice...

So troll or closet west Brit. What a choice