AH: What is your Stance on These Social Issues.

philologos

robman60 wrote: »

1. Religion: Do you think religion has any place in documents like the constitution (which it currently has in abundance), and the law of a country? Do you think our society should be completely secular with no references to religion in things like inauguration ceremonies etc.

I'm an evangelical Christian. I don't want or expect any Government to promote Christianity. That's a job for Christians. We're here to build up our churches and our communities, and we're here to live and speak for Jesus in public life. I'd rather that Christians did this, I'd also rather that people became Christians because they were captivated by the Gospel rather than by coercion.

I think if a president wants to say "So help me God" or something along those lines out of personal preference, I don't have any issue with that. I don't believe it should be compulsory though.

robman60 wrote: »

2. Freedom of Speech: Do you think there should be 100% free speech even if it were seen as damaging to our country's reputation (what's left of it )

I think that there shouldn't be red tape around what people say. I think it should be the responsibility of people in society to question, criticise and regulate what other people say rather than the State.

robman60 wrote: »

3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? This includes printing of pictures that may be seen as sensitive too.

I don't think so, but I don't think that explicit material should be chucked around just for the sake of it. There needs to be safeguards so that children don't see things that they shouldn't and so that people who don't want to see such things don't have to.

robman60 wrote: »

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? I'm not even sure if it's illegal here, but I presume it is. Those escort agencies are shady, though. Enlighten me please if you can.

I don't agree with making prostitution llegal. I think society should have a high regard for people, seeing them for who they are rather than as sexual commodities.

robman60 wrote: »

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Do you think gay couples shoould be allowed marry and have equal marriage rights to heterosexual couples? Furthermore, do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?

Personally, I think that marriage should be between a man and a woman, and I think that children are best raised with a mum and a dad. In the event that same-sex marriage were legal, simply put I'd agree to disagree.

robman60 wrote: »

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Are there certain circumstances in which it should be legal? Please elaborate on when it should/shouldn't be legal in your opinion.

It should be illegal except in respect to medical emergencies. I'd be on the pro-life side of the spectrum.

robman60 wrote: »

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research, which results in the destruction of the human embryo with the goal of medical cures.

Adult stem cells are more effective than embryonic stem cells. Indeed, adult stem cells can be used just as effectively as embryonic stem cells (called pluripotent stem cells). I don't believe there's any need to destroy lives in order to produce the desired results.

robman60 wrote: »

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? How stringently should it be regulated?

I don't think so because it's extremely difficult to determine consent in respect to this area.

robman60 wrote: »

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? Elaborate on when you feel it is/isn't appropriate in your opinion.

Absolutely not. I'm not in favour of people taking lives for any form of crime. This is in part informed from Christianity. I believe that I have sinned, yet Jesus died for me, as a result I have no right to encourage the taking of someone elses life.

robman60 wrote: »

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Do you think it should only be allowed for medicinal purposes or do you think it should be completely outlawed.

I'm supportive of the use of marijuana in a medical context only.

robman60 wrote: »

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: For drugs such as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc. Do you think they should be legal or illegal?

I'm only supportive of substances such as these in controlled medical circumstances where necessary.

as125634do

Everleigh Ashy Radial wrote: »

Only one i have a strong opinion on is bring in capital punishment for peodophiles ( repeated offenders ) sick freaks no point in their existance.[/QUOTE

Thats just stupid im afraid. Anders brehvik killed dozens of kids he should maybe get the death sentence. But a pedo who is attracted to kids cant help this and if it goes out and follows the heart and molests a kid..chances are the offender will kill the kid after the abuse. If theres a death penalty waiting for it then its highly likely itll kill its victim

ProudDUB

1. Religion: People should have the freedom to practice or not practice it as they so choose. But in a country with a Christian tradition, I do not think that it is fair for their traditions (such as those at Christmas time) to be done away for fear of offending non Christians. As a Catholic (well someone who was brought up as one) I wouldn't dream of going to Israel/Africa/Middle or Far East, and insist that they refrain from all public demonstrations of their respective faiths just because I do not share them. That would be ridiculous !

2. Freedom of Speech: 100% for it.

3. Censorship: Not in favour of it, unless in extreme circumstances such as stamping out child pornography.

4. Prostitution: For it. It's the worlds oldest profession. Making it illegal ain't gonna make it go away. Legalizing it and more importantly, regulating it (especially in terms of health care and age limits) would go a long way towards get rid of some of the abuse that the ladies of the night suffer at the hands of their pimp masters.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Totally for it. The child of a gay couple may have to face a few more challenges in life, such as dealing with awkward questions from school class mates, lack of acceptance from their parents conservative family members etc etc.(Personally know of 2 cases where that happened.) But the alternative is their spending a life in an orphanage or foster home and being kicked out into the world at age 16 with no one or nothing to fall back on. The adopted child will have come from a stable home environment with 2 loving parents. Statistics show that that child stands a much better chance of going on to have a happy and successful life than the child who spent their formative years in care.

6. Abortion: Against it. Not for religious reasons. I used to be all for it. Woman's right to choose and all that. But then my niece was born (prematurely) a mere 2 weeks after the legal term limit in the US for having an abortion. After 2 months in the hospital she is now a bold and brassy 23 year old. I'll never forget the sight of her miniscule little arms and legs in the incubator as she fought like a mad thing to survive. Just before she was born, how on earth could she be considered just a collection of random cells, and not a real person? Do not believe that there is some magical (or medical) line that is crossed, that makes a foetus go from one to the other.

7. Stem-cell research: Don't know enough about it to have any definite opinions on it.

8. Euthanasia: For it. But only under strictly regulated conditions. Why should a person who is going to die a slow and painful death (from cancer for example) be denied this option? Why should they be made to suffer for years and years, if they themselves want to end their life in a humane and controlled manner?

9. Capital Punishment: Am for it in theory. You willingly take a life, your own should be forfeit. But that is very, very hard to get 100% right 100% of the time. The law and law enforcement is flawed. Human beings can make mistakes. Forensic scientists, police officers and computers can make mistakes. Getting a conviction for a crime can very often come down to what side has the best lawyers, the most money, pressure that may be exerted from the media, politicians, the victims families, the predispositions of the judges and juries etc etc. A person getting to live or die should not decided by a system where so many fluctuating variables are in place and where there is so much room for human error. But if it is a case where there are multiple witnesses to some mad man going on a rampage (like that dude in Norway for example) then yeah, fry his sorry ass !

10. Marijuana: Keep it illegal. It is a gateway drug. Most serious drug users start out on it. Make it as hard to get as possible. Perhaps if people don't get in the habit of enjoying the buzz it brings, they won't get bored by it. The then won't go on to the bigger and better drugs & all of the societal problems that they bring. And trust me, I live near a metadone treatment center in Dublin 1. I know aaaaalllllll about them !

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: Keep them illegal. No brainer really.

as125634do

as125634do wrote: »

Everleigh Ashy Radial wrote: »

Only one i have a strong opinion on is bring in capital punishment for peodophiles ( repeated offenders ) sick freaks no point in their existance.[/QUOTE

Thats just stupid im afraid. Anders brehvik killed dozens of kids he should maybe get the death sentence. But a pedo who is attracted to kids cant help this and if it goes out and follows the heart and molests a kid..chances are the offender will kill the kid after the abuse. If theres a death penalty waiting for it then its highly likely itll kill its victim

Seriously seriously ? Cant help it so its ok ? And i am stupid ? Great defence in court couldnt help it followed my heart and raped a kid ? Words fail

strobe

robman60 wrote: »

1. Religion: Do you think religion has any place in documents like the constitution (which it currently has in abundance), and the law of a country? Do you think our society should be completely secular with no references to religion in things like inauguration ceremonies etc.

I'd think that the country should be completely secular, yes. But like Philo said, if a politician feels like mentioning God/Allah/Buddha for some reason, let them at it.

2. Freedom of Speech: Do you think there should be 100% free speech even if it were seen as damaging to our country's reputation (what's left of it )

100% freedom of speech? Not Entirely. I don't think you should be able to follow someone around screaming "you're a prick" into their face. That's harassment. I also don't think you should be able to walk into an airport and shout out that you have a bomb. Basically I think the USA have the freedom of speech thing as near to perfect as you will get it. I'd advocate replicating their constitutional rights and how they enforce them in this regard.

3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? This includes printing of pictures that may be seen as sensitive too.

Again, much like with FOS I think there has to be limits. Libel laws should be respected and as we all know there are things like child porn which I presume we all agree should be subject to censorship. But in general, unless what you are putting out there things like that I think you should be free to express any view you want online. I'd certainly never advocate censoring anything purely because someone may find it offensive.

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? I'm not even sure if it's illegal here, but I presume it is. Those escort agencies are shady, though. Enlighten me please if you can.

I think prostitution should be legal, yes. It is technically legal already here, as far as I know it's just illegal to solicit or advertise, to profit from someone else's prostitution of themselves or to operate a brothel. My opinion is it should be legislated for in roughly the same way modelling, or acting, or carpentry is legislated for.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Do you think gay couples shoould be allowed marry and have equal marriage rights to heterosexual couples? Furthermore, do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?

I think gay people should have the same rights as straight people in every single way. I think all children should have the same rights as each other and all adults should have the same rights as each other. Or as the UNDHR puts it 'All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.' All humans.

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Are there certain circumstances in which it should be legal? Please elaborate on when it should/shouldn't be legal in your opinion.

Undecided... still.

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research, which results in the destruction of the human embryo with the goal of medical cures.

Yes, I think stem cell research should be pursued. If what Philo says above is true, that adult stem cells are just as viable as embryonic then I think they should be favoured over embryonic ones if at all possible.

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? How stringently should it be regulated?

I absolutely think it should be allowed and I think it should be regulated as stringently as humanly possible. I think this would require the introduction of a law against 'coercion towards euthanasia' or something along those lines and I think anyone found guilty of it should be punished in the same way someone found guilty of attempted murder would be.

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? Elaborate on when you feel it is/isn't appropriate in your opinion.

I would not be in favour of the death penalty. Pretty much all the research seems to suggest it is no more effective as a deterrent than life imprisonment. It also doesn't save money, which is another argument for it that seems to be put forward. It costs about as much to ultimately execute someone (in the USA) as it does to force them to serve a life sentence.

I don't think the State should be killing people. But having said that I can imagine scenarios in which I'm pretty certain I would kill someone in revenge. I'd go so far as to try and get to them while they were in prison if they were given a life sentence for the crime. I know this is somewhat hypocritical.

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Do you think it should only be allowed for medicinal purposes or do you think it should be completely outlawed.

I think it should be legal and regulated.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: For drugs such as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc. Do you think they should be legal or illegal?

I think all the major psychoactives, including the ones mentioned, should be legal and regulated.

K-9

1. Religion: Do you think religion has any place in documents like the constitution (which it currently has in abundance), and the law of a country?

No.

2. Freedom of Speech: Do you think there should be 100% free speech even if it were seen as damaging to our country's reputation (what's left of it )

Great ideal, but no. Unfortunately people abuse it.

3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? This includes printing of pictures that may be seen as sensitive too.

Yes, devil is in the detail obviously.

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? I'm not even sure if it's illegal here, but I presume it is. Those escort agencies are shady, though. Enlighten me please if you can.

The pros (Ahem) outweigh the cons.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Do you think gay couples shoould be allowed marry and have equal marriage rights to heterosexual couples? Furthermore, do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?

Don't see any big issues as to why not.

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Are there certain circumstances in which it should be legal? Please elaborate on when it should/shouldn't be legal in your opinion.

Yes, up to 10/12 weeks. Personally I don't like but I hate exporting it even more.

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research, which results in the destruction of the human embryo with the goal of medical cures.

Not really up on this issue.

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? How stringently should it be regulated?

Tough one. I'd have seen it as compassionate with my Dad but I'm reluctant to back it legally. On balance, no.

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? Elaborate on when you feel it is/isn't appropriate in your opinion.

No. I don't see it as a deterrent, the US a good example.

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Do you think it should only be allowed for medicinal purposes or do you think it should be completely outlawed.

No reason not to legalise it.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: For drugs such as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc. Do you think they should be legal or illegal?

Can definitely see the logic in legalising and regulating.

TPD

robman60 wrote: »

1. Religion: Do you think religion has any place in documents like the constitution (which it currently has in abundance), and the law of a country? Do you think our society should be completely secular with no references to religion in things like inauguration ceremonies etc.
Completely secular. Let people practice their religion in their own homes and on the private lands of others of their religion.
2. Freedom of Speech: Do you think there should be 100% free speech even if it were seen as damaging to our country's reputation (what's left of it )
Complete freedom of speech.
3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? This includes printing of pictures that may be seen as sensitive too.
No censorship. Concerned parents/individuals can censor their own/their children's internet.
4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? I'm not even sure if it's illegal here, but I presume it is. Those escort agencies are shady, though. Enlighten me please if you can.
Legal and regulated. Nothing good comes from pushing it underground into the hands of criminals.
5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Do you think gay couples shoould be allowed marry and have equal marriage rights to heterosexual couples? Furthermore, do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?
Each to their own, who marries who is none of my concern. Adoption, same deal. I went to school with a guy with two mothers, he was fine.
6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Are there certain circumstances in which it should be legal? Please elaborate on when it should/shouldn't be legal in your opinion.
Legal, up to a point. I'm not well enough versed in biology to say when exactly that point is though. Is there a cutoff at which point the foetus would survive transfer to another womb? If that's even possible.
7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research, which results in the destruction of the human embryo with the goal of medical cures.
In favour. Once the embryos aren't stolen from expectant parents.
8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? How stringently should it be regulated?
Allowed. Regulation? Video evidence of the individuals desire and good mental state, with a majority of immediate family in agreement.
9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? Elaborate on when you feel it is/isn't appropriate in your opinion.
Probably a different opinion from most who'd share my other answers, but I'm in favour of capital punishment in extremely rare cases. The punishment isn't the problem at the minute, it's how it's metered out.
10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Do you think it should only be allowed for medicinal purposes or do you think it should be completely outlawed.
Complete legalisation.
11. Other widely-illegal drugs: For drugs such as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc. Do you think they should be legal or illegal?
Again, legal. The illegal status causes more harm than it prevents, through gang violence, infection/disease, lack of support programs etc.

Accidentally put a line outside the quote, and now boards wants me to type something here to edit it back into the quotes. Grr.

as125634do

Words fail, thats all u have to say?

Suryavarman

1. Religion: There should be no mention of religion in the constitution the state should not be promoting any religion. Saying that I wouldn't really care if there was a Christmas tree in a state building.

2. Freedom of Speech: Yes, I am fully in favour of 100% free speech. This includes allowing people to slander, blackmail or shout fire in the cinema.

3. Censorship: No censorship under any circumstances.

4. Prostitution: As far as I am concerned saying prostitution should be illegal is the same as saying sex itself should be illegal. So yes prostitution should most definitely be legal. What happens between consenting adults on private property is nobodies business, especially the governments.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: I'd prefer to completely see the government out of marriage. The concept of having to get permission from the government to marry somebody is embarrassingly ridiculous. The second best alternative is to legalise marriage though. As for adoption, I can't think of any moral argument against it and I am not aware of any practical argument against it, so yes gay people should be allowed to adopt.

6. Abortion: I am pro-choice up to the point of viability.

7. Stem-cell research: I've never really given it any thought but I'm pretty sure it should be legal.

8. Euthanasia: I'm fully in favour of allowing people to end their lives.

9. Capital Punishment: Fully against allowing the state to murder anybody.

10. Marijuana: Fully in favour of legalisation. Why should anybody have the right to tell somebody what they can and can't put into their body?

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: I'm fully in favour of legalising them. There is a thread on this in the Irish Economy forum and I'm still waiting for a decent argument to keep them illegal.

Sindri wrote: »

You can't put a limit on it in my opinion, only for medical reasons. The woman having the child must spend the rest of her life looking after it. It is immoral to make her have the child and then give it up for adoption. It is the woman's child and if she chooses not to have or even, dear god, not to want it, then it is none of my fucking business nor the governments nor the old lady down the street who'll bitch and gossip about it.

In that case would you be in favour of legalising infanticide? If after a few months the woman decides she no longer wishes to keep the child should she be allowed to kill it?

ProudDUB wrote: »

10. Marijuana: Keep it illegal. It is a gateway drug. Most serious drug users start out on it. Make it as hard to get as possible. Perhaps if people don't get in the habit of enjoying the buzz it brings, they won't get bored by it, and then go on to the bigger and better drugs & all of the societal problems that they bring. And trust me, I live near a metadone treatment center in Dublin 1. I know aaaaalllllll about them !

Surely in that case Alcohol and tobacco should illegal. I'm spretty sure that most if not all heroin addicts have sampled both of those at some point.

K-9

as125634do wrote: »

Words fail, thats all u have to say?

In fairness I don't think its a thread people can go into a big debate on, or you'll have 11 different debates going!. I'd say all of these topics have been discussed on AH at one stage or another.

It's interesting to see inconsistencies in answers to some questions, my own has some too I'm sure, but hey, that's life!

I'd agree though that the just having paedos for the death penalty is purely based on emotion.

carfiosaoorl

1. Religion: I believe there should be a complete seperation of church and state. Although I balk a bit at the thought of changing the constitution.

2. Freedom of Speech: Yes

3. Censorship: I completely disagree with censorship except for pictures of death etc....

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? No

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Yes Gay couples should be allowed to marry and adopt

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Yes

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research Yes

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? Not sure but it sounds good in theory.

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? No never

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Yes

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: No

LighterGuy

I am suprised so many are against capital punishment.

I believe it should be in place in severe cases. There has been some horrible crimes. We're talking serial killers, rape-torture-murder etc. These people are just evil. People who will always be evil, even in prison. Willing to kill more given the chance (guards, staff and other prisoners)

If someone argues that a life time in prison is worse than death? I see where they are coming from. I wouldnt argue.
But being totally against it because one believes an 'eye for an eye' to be wrong? ... I cant understand that.

carfiosaoorl

LighterGuy wrote: »

I am suprised so many are against capital punishment.

I believe it should be in place in severe cases. There has been some horrible crimes. We're talking serial killers, rape-torture-murder etc. These people are just evil. People who will always be evil, even in prison. Willing to kill more given the chance (guards, staff and other prisoners)

If someone argues that a life time in prison is worse than death? I see where they are coming from. I wouldnt argue.
But being totally against it because one believes an 'eye for an eye' to be wrong? ... I cant understand that.

I agree with you there is plenty of scum out there that deserve to die roaring but Im against the death penalty because there is always a risk that an innocent person could be put to death. Its not worth that risk in my mind.

metaoblivia

1. Religion: I believe everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but those beliefs should be separate from the politics that govern the state.

2. Freedom of Speech: I believe in freedom of speech in most circumstances, save shouting, "Fire" in a crowded theatre, libel, slander, etc. So not 100%, but mostly.

3. Censorship: Same with freedom of speech. Most things are alright, but obviously things like child pornography, snuff movies, etc. shouldn't be available.

4. Prostitution: Yes, legalize it and make it safe for the participants.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Absolutely, see no reason why not.

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Yes, up until viability. I also believe in late term abortions when the mother's health is at risk or it can be shown that the fetus has a fatal birth defect, like anencephaly.

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research? Yes, absolutely. Many human embryonic cells are taken from embryos used in in vitro fertilization (they create multiple embryos to enhance the chance of success) that are not going to be used and would be discarded instead. Many of these embryos have been put on a shelf for so long they are no longer viable, but are still valuable for research. There are apparently 400,000 of these embryos in the US alone. It's practically criminal to just throw them away without researching their potential medical benefits.

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? Yes, but regulated. Ideally, I would hope it would be used for terminally ill patients who would like to die with dignity.

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? In theory, yes, but I don't trust the government to regulate it. It's not just the idea of an innocent person being put to death, it's that so many prosecutors seem unwilling to admit when they may have put an innocent person behind bars, even when they're faced with really compelling evidence. You can't trust people who refuse to admit mistakes have been made to decide something as final as the death penalty.

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Yes

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: A hesitant yes. There are definitely some drugs out there that I think no one should be taking, but prohibiting it only creates a black market for it, and we can all see how well that's worked out so far.

Babybuff

1. No. Religion and politics should never mix.
2. People who shout about their right to free speech often forget that we also have the right not to listen.
3. No.
4. Regulated.
5. I honestly couldn't give a flying fiddlers.
6. As much as I don't like it, yes.
7. Yes.
8. I'm not sure but I can see why it people would want to.
9. No.
10. For medicinal purposes only.
11. Should remain illegal.

KeithAFC

Religion - secular state.

Freedom of Speech - Yes.

Censorship - Depends on the situation. If it is damaging to national security, then yes.

Prostitution - Ban it.

Same-sex marriage/adoption - No problem with same sex marriage, probably would do on adoption.

Abortion - Ban it.

Stem-cell research - Not really bothered.

Euthanasia - Yes.

Capital Punishment - Hanging should be brought back IMO for the most serious crimes in society.

Marijuana - Ban it but then I would like for smoking to be banned too but then you could say the same for beer etc.

Other widely-illegal drugs - Ban and anyone selling these drugs should be hanged.

RachaelVO

RickRoll wrote: »

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stupidusername

robman60 wrote: »

1. Religion: Do you think religion has any place in documents like the constitution (which it currently has in abundance), and the law of a country? Do you think our society should be completely secular with no references to religion in things like inauguration ceremonies etc.

2. Freedom of Speech: Do you think there should be 100% free speech even if it were seen as damaging to our country's reputation (what's left of it )

3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? This includes printing of pictures that may be seen as sensitive too.

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? I'm not even sure if it's illegal here, but I presume it is. Those escort agencies are shady, though. Enlighten me please if you can.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Do you think gay couples shoould be allowed marry and have equal marriage rights to heterosexual couples? Furthermore, do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Are there certain circumstances in which it should be legal? Please elaborate on when it should/shouldn't be legal in your opinion.

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research, which results in the destruction of the human embryo with the goal of medical cures.

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? How stringently should it be regulated?

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? Elaborate on when you feel it is/isn't appropriate in your opinion.

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Do you think it should only be allowed for medicinal purposes or do you think it should be completely outlawed.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: For drugs such as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc. Do you think they should be legal or illegal?

1.no i don't realy think religion should have anything to do with law or the constitiution.
2.yep there should be free speech.
3.no ther shouldn't be any censorship. but there always will be.
4.I'm unsure. it seems to work in some places. but then it's probablyu dependent on many things.
5.i think gay couples should be allowed marry. and maybe have some sort of minimum relatinoship length before allowed adopt?
6.I'm unsure about abortion. personally I disagree with terminating life like that, but at the same time (hypocrite notice) I would likely have an abortion if i became pregnant.
7.i don't know enough about stem cell research to really say.
8/I think euthanasia should bw allowed, but i think it'd be too hard to police
9.wile i think it's not u to one person whether another lives or dies, i in a way do agree that 'faulty' genes maybe should be taken out of the gene pool.
10.i think llegalising it would make policing it very hard, but at the same time believe adults should be able to make up their own minds about thing.
11. im not sure. i don't know enough about those drugs to know that.

tolosenc

robman60 wrote: »

1. Religion: Do you think religion has any place in documents like the constitution (which it currently has in abundance), and the law of a country? Do you think our society should be completely secular with no references to religion in things like inauguration ceremonies etc.

I believe in the separation of Church and State. I do support anyone's right to whatever belief they want.

robman60 wrote: »

2. Freedom of Speech: Do you think there should be 100% free speech even if it were seen as damaging to our country's reputation (what's left of it )

Essential to a functioning democracy, and is something that needs to be seriously addressed here.

robman60 wrote: »

3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? This includes printing of pictures that may be seen as sensitive too.

Censorship is wrong. Period.

robman60 wrote: »

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? I'm not even sure if it's illegal here, but I presume it is. Those escort agencies are shady, though. Enlighten me please if you can.

Sale of sex in Ireland is legal. Brothels, pimps and the like are not. It should of course be a legal and tolerated profession. Similar to eastern Australia is what we should be going for.

robman60 wrote: »

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Do you think gay couples shoould be allowed marry and have equal marriage rights to heterosexual couples? Furthermore, do you think gay couples should be allowed to adopt children?

Marriage is a religious institution. I'm straight, and I'll never get "married" as such, so I don't see why having a church which preaches against your very being accepting you is such a big deal.

robman60 wrote: »

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Are there certain circumstances in which it should be legal? Please elaborate on when it should/shouldn't be legal in your opinion.

Really don't know where I stand on this one. On the one hand, it's good, because it's killing children, but on the other hand, it gives women a choice...

But seriously, I think it's disgusting, but I more firmly object to governments legislating against stuff.

robman60 wrote: »

7. Stem-cell research: Do you favour the use of human embryos for stem cell research, which results in the destruction of the human embryo with the goal of medical cures.

Go for it.

robman60 wrote: »

8. Euthanasia: Do you think voluntary euthanasia should be allowed? How stringently should it be regulated?

Tricky one. In principle I'm OK with it, but it is masively open to abuse.

robman60 wrote: »

9. Capital Punishment: Are you in favour of the death penalty? Elaborate on when you feel it is/isn't appropriate in your opinion.

No major issue with it. People like Larry Murphy should never have been allowed back into society.

robman60 wrote: »

10. Marijuana: Are you in favour of the legalisation of marijuana for all adults? Do you think it should only be allowed for medicinal purposes or do you think it should be completely outlawed.

Not really a government's place to decide how people spend their recreation time. I'm not a pothead, and I don't/wouldn't associate with any, but don't feel it's right for a government to legislate against it.

robman60 wrote: »

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: For drugs such as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy etc. Do you think they should be legal or illegal?

Ditto the above.

cassi

1. Religion: No religion should not be allowed to decide on the laws of a country.

2. Freedom of Speech: No, free speech should not be an excuse for inciting hatred or fear.

3. Censorship: Yes, content should be censored.

4. Prostitution: It should be legalised and regulated to protect those most at risk.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Should be allowed marry and adopt.

6. Abortion: It should be the choice of the person what to do with their body, when it doesnt affact anyone else.

7. Stem-cell research: In favour of it.

8. Euthanasia: It should be allowed but strictly regulated following a series of tests.

9. Capital Punishment: Not in favour of it.

10. Marijuana: I really don't care. I dont have any interest in it. same way I wouldnt care if tobacco was criminalised.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: Illegal.

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Emily Mushy Pedestal wrote: »

No in regards to yelling "FIRE!" in the cinema as a joke.

metaoblivia wrote: »

2. Freedom of Speech: I believe in freedom of speech in most circumstances, save shouting, "Fire" in a crowded theatre

Copycat. :mad:

Benny_Cake

1. Religion: Separation of church and state is vital. At the very least, secular alternatives should be available for presidential oaths etc

2. Freedom of speech: Insofar as it doesn't incite violence, to the greatest extent possible. Free speech always has consequences however.

3. Censorship: Against, with the exception of such things as child porn, snuff videos etc. The current laws are satisfactory in this regard.

4. Prostitution: The possibility of a highly-regulated form of legal prostitution should be considered. At the very least, the selling of sexism should be decriminalised to offer better protection to sex workers.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Full marriage rights for same sex couples. No one has the "right" to adopt but same-sex couples should be allowed to apply without discrimination.

6. Abortion: Against. Would give some consideration for cases of rape or incest.

7. Stem-cell research: I'd have ethical issues with creating embryos for stem cell research. If there is an existing embryo which would otherwise be destroyed, then it should be possible. Hopefully science will soon render this moot.

8. Euthanasia: Against, though it's easy to say that when you're not suffering. My heart goes out to anyone considering this.

9. Capital Punishment: Never, in any circumstances.

10. Marijuana: Honestly don't know enough to say. There are stronger varieties which are probably dangerous. It is ridiculous to prosecute people who grow for their own use though.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: Against legalisation in most cases. Addicts should be treated rather than prosecuted.

Azureus

1. Religion: - I'd like a secular State-I don't think religion should be brought into political policies and I'd personally like it kept out of schools aswell in any way other than education ie of all religions not just Christianity.

2. Freedom of Speech: - Of course. Blasphemy laws WTF?

3. Censorship: - - Kinda goes against freedom of speech, so don't agree with it.

4. Prostitution: - I think it's less seedy and much safer when legalised (in regards to stds and trafficking), so I certainly wouldn't have a problem if it was.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: - Absolutely yes.

6. Abortion: - Yes, something I feel strongly about. Obviously with rules in place so that its not used as emergency contraception.

7. Stem-cell research: - Not something I'm too informed about, but afaik the benefits far outweigh any supposedly moral issues behind it.

8. Euthanasia: - agree with this once rigourous testing is done to ensure the person is of sound mind and knows what they want. In the case of terminal illness in animals we put them down to put them out of their misery, why can we not allow humans the same choice in this country.

9. Capital Punishment: - don't agree with it-easy way out for people who deserve to live with their mistakes. Also the message behind it as I think somebody else said earlier is a bit strange in certain cases-this person murdered someoby, so lets kill him as punishment??

10. Marijuana: - legalise and inform people about its usage and effects, much the same as alcohol and cigarettes.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: - I don't know enough about most of them, but as a general rule anything chemical is a no-no as opposed to something natural like marijuana. Also addictiveness is a major factor in legalisation-if somebody tries something and are chemically likely to get hooked then its a bad idea to legalise it imo.
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Killer Pigeon

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

It shouldn't even have a place in inauguration ceremonies. If we were to follow that logic we might as well give an oath to the magical mushroom god, Mushroomy.

.

I hate mushrooms.


DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!!

Biggins

Serious answers:

1. Religion: Thanks but no thanks. Secular state with opt in rather than opt out!

2. Freedom of Speech: Fine as long as no inciting of violence and/or abuse.

3. Censorship: ONLY in extreme cases. Applicable and to be justified by a court.

4. Prostitution: Open to hearing both sides of the argument.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Have no problem with it personally.

6. Abortion: It should be up to the individual - they have to live with the direct consequences.

7. Stem-cell research: I approve.

8. Euthanasia: Allowed but only after the best of the best safeguards.

9. Capital Punishment: Unsure.

10. Marijuana: I need to learn more.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: Same as number 10.

seamus

Religion: In private only. It has no place in lawmaking or public policy or government documents. I wouldn't ban it, but I wouldn't give religions any more say than, e.g. a local darts club.

Freedom of Speech: No major problem with it, but I also have no problem with defamation laws. Freedom to say what you like includes the obligation to use that freedom responsibly.

Censorship: None. Print/paint/film/write/draw what you like.

Prostitution: No problem with it so long as it's tightly regulated with worker health & safety the no. 1 priority.

Same-sex marriage/adoption: No brainer. People are people, I see no reason to limit marriage or adoption to heterosexuals.

Abortion: Should be legal up to 20 weeks, or whatever time period current medical science gives a 50:50 chance of a premature foetus going full-term with no development abnormalities.

Stem-cell research: Not an issue.

Euthanasia: No problem with euthanasia for the terminally or chronically ill. We will euthanise a suffering animal without their consent but we won't do the same for a suffering human who's perfectly capable of giving consent.

Capital Punishment: Not in favour. Firstly, it doesn't work. It is not proven to lower crime rates. But mainly it's because you can never guarantee that an innocent person won't be put to death.
However I would support optional euthanasia for prisoners who can choose to die rather than complete their sentence.

Marijuana: No real reason to outlaw it. Aside from the drug, the plant is one of the most versatile and useful plants on the planet. It was only originally banned due to pressure from timber companies. Should be perfectly legal to grow for one's own use, and even encouraged as this would collapse the market to buy them.

Other widely-illegal drugs: Harder to say. I have no issue with drugs naturally derived such as magic mushrooms or hash. But where you need to heavily prepare them or add chemicals such as with cocaine or meth, their availability should be strongly controlled.

working fool

I don't really have a stance right now .
I'm sitting down right now
I may stand up later !

MagicSean

1. Religion:Should be practiced freely but should not interfere with other people, the government or the law.

2. Freedom of Speech: Once it does not affect the rights of others or incite hatered.

3. Censorship: A proper rating sytem for movies, games and tv that is enforced.

4. Prostitution:Legalise and tax it. Provide protection for the workers and come down hard (tee hee) on those that work outside the system.

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Every couple should be allowed form a civil partnership. The term marriage should refer only to the religious ceremony and should confer no additional rights on those who take part in it. Adoption for all decent people.

6. Abortion: For medical reasons only. There are enough forms of birth control out there already.

7. Stem-cell research: Should be allowed.

8. Euthanasia: For the terminally ill or criminals with life sentences

9. Capital Punishment: No, I am in favour of far less freedoms for prisoners on long term jail sentences. If you don't like 15 years in solitary then don't murder someone.

10. Marijuana: Legalise and tax it. Allow home production in small amounts and regulate for large scale production.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: I despise these drugs and all who partake in them.

Dravokivich

1. Religion: Not for me, but that's my personal choice.
2. Freedom of Speech: Should not be an excuse to be a prick.
3. Censorship: As above.
4. Prostitution: No problem with it as long the the man/woman isn't forced into it.
5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: It's a non-issue for me. I find it odd that some people make an issue out of it, but that's about it.
6. Abortion: Pro-Choice. I'd be neither against it, nor for it because I feel my opinion would need to be set by being in the position where I may have to actually come to a decision. Hypothetically coming up with an idea on it now doesn't really mean much as I'm very far away from it. But cutting out the availablity of it does more harm than good I recon?
7. Stem-cell research: For it.
8. Euthanasia: I'd be against it, solely becasue it'd be hard to determine/judge the use of it
9. Capital Punishment: It doesn't work as a deterrant. A lot of people envolved in the activities that would call for such a heavy penalty would generally be of the opinion that they'd never get caught.
10. Marijuana:For it, because that brings in the ability to regulate it and take the criminality out of it.
11. Other widely-illegal drugs: Bit of a range of substances to dicuss here which could be quite a topic in itself. It'd be dependant on the drug itself and the severity of the side affects of it's usuage. I wouldn't be in favor of legalising cocaine or herion in particular.

Sindri

Suryavarman wrote: »

In that case would you be in favour of legalising infanticide? If after a few months the woman decides she no longer wishes to keep the child should she be allowed to kill it?

That's a ridiculous argument to make and you know it.

Anyway a side from the fallaciousness of it, it is a woman's baby and if she decided not to have it, should she be forced to have it due to the law stating that an abortion must be carried out within a certain time period?

No. The basis of my argument, which is, I feel, superior to yours as it bases its reason on practicality and reason, is that-

1. Abortion should be a woman's right.

2. Abortion should be a woman's choice.

3. If it is not a right of a woman's then she may not choose to have it. If it is a right of a woman's then she may or may not choose to have it. Everyone's a winner if abortion is legal and no ones rights are infringed.

4. If there is a law prohibiting abortion after a certain period than the woman's right to have a child or not is infringed upon. Then she is forced to have said child which she does not want.

Capisci?

MagicSean

Sindri wrote: »

That's a ridiculous argument to make and you know it.

Anyway a side from the fallaciousness of it, it is a woman's baby and if she decided not to have it, should she be forced to have it due to the law stating that an abortion must be carried out within a certain time period?

No. The basis of my argument, which is, I feel, superior to yours as it bases its reason on practicality and reason, is that-

1. Abortion should be a woman's right.

2. Abortion should be a woman's choice.

3. If it is not a right of a woman's then she may not choose to have it. If it is a right of a woman's then she may or may not choose to have it. Everyone's a winner if abortion is legal and no ones rights are infringed.

4. If there is a law prohibiting abortion after a certain period than the woman's right to have a child or not is infringed upon. Then she is forced to have said child which she does not want.

Capisci?

I love how it's a womans body when its time to choose but a mans responsability when it's time to raise the child.

Sindri

MagicSean wrote: »

I love how it's a womans body when its time to choose but a mans responsability when it's time to raise the child.

What are you own about?

What hang ups do you have with the opposite sex.

Suryavarman

Sindri wrote: »

That's a ridiculous argument to make and you know it.

Anyway a side from the fallaciousness of it, it is a woman's baby and if she decided not to have it, should she be forced to have it due to the law stating that an abortion must be carried out within a certain time period?

No. The basis of my argument, which is, I feel, superior to yours as it bases its reason on practicality and reason, is that-

1. Abortion should be a woman's right.

2. Abortion should be a woman's choice.

3. If it is not a right of a woman's then she may not choose to have it. If it is a right of a woman's then she may or may not choose to have it. Everyone's a winner if abortion is legal and no ones rights are infringed.

4. If there is a law prohibiting abortion after a certain period than the woman's right to have a child or not is infringed upon. Then she is forced to have said child which she does not want.

Capisci?

A child that is born prematurely after 7 or 8 months in the womb is fully capable of surviving and enjoying a full life. Yet you think it's okay to abort that child if it is still in the womb?

This isn't simply about a woman's right to choose. When you are talking about something that has the potential to become a living sentient being it becomes an argument about is it okay to abort a foetus that could live outside the womb.

I can't see any problem with telling a woman if she doesn't want to have a child, either don't get pregnant or don't leave making the decision about having an abortion to the last second.

blatantrereg

Sindri wrote: »

What are you own about?

What hang ups do you have with the opposite sex.

He wasnt expressing any hang up about the opposite sex. He was making an observation about a particular issue regarding how society treats people based on gender.
That's the sort of thing this thread is about. That's what he's "own about".

Me, I love the extraordinarily reactionary mindsets in people who profess open-mindedness. for example telling people they have hang ups if they dare question whatever ideas are currently in fashion (for the "open minded" cool kids)

Sindri

Suryavarman wrote: »

A child that is born prematurely after 7 or 8 months in the womb is fully capable of surviving and enjoying a full life. Yet you think it's okay to abort that child if it is still in the womb?

This isn't simply about a woman's right to choose. When you are talking about something that has the potential to become a living sentient being it becomes an argument about is it okay to abort a foetus that could live outside the womb.

I can't see any problem with telling a woman if she doesn't want to have a child, either don't get pregnant or don't leave making the decision about having an abortion to the last second.

That's the point. When may I or the law tell someone what to do when it refers to their own body and their own life. When they must raise the child themselves. You previous post was hyperbolic bull****e by the way. I nor you have the moral advantage to tell a woman she must have a child and it's her own fault for getting pregnant or leaving it to late to decide or change her mind. THAT is deeply immoral.

blatantrereg wrote: »

He wasnt expressing any hang up about the opposite sex. He was making an observation about a particular issue regarding how society treats people based on gender.
That's the sort of thing this thread is about. That's what he's "own about".

Me, I love the extraordinarily reactionary mindsets in people who profess open-mindedness. for example telling people they have hang ups if they dare question whatever ideas are currently in fashion (for the "open minded" cool kids)

Thanks for that lovely point.

Suryavarman

Sindri wrote: »

That's the point. When may I or the law tell someone what to do when it refers to their own body and their own life. When they must raise the child themselves. You previous post was hyperbolic bull****e by the way. I nor you have the moral advantage to tell a woman she must have a child and it's her own fault for getting pregnant or leaving it to late to decide or change her mind. THAT is deeply immoral.

Nobody is forcing the woman to have a child. I'm just saying that if the woman doesn't want to have a child she shouldn't be an incompetent fool about it and she should have the abortion before the foetus is viable.

MagicSean

Sindri wrote: »

What are you own about?

What hang ups do you have with the opposite sex.

I'm making an observation about something I find humorous in society.

Sindri wrote: »

That's the point. When may I or the law tell someone what to do when it refers to their own body and their own life.

When it not only involves their own life but that of someone who cannot speak for themselves.

Sindri wrote: »

When they must raise the child themselves.

With a generous social welfare package.

Sindri wrote: »

You previous post was hyperbolic bull****e by the way. I nor you have the moral advantage to tell a woman she must have a child and it's her own fault for getting pregnant or leaving it to late to decide or change her mind. THAT is deeply immoral.

I cannot make sense of this.

blatantrereg

Sindri wrote: »

That's the point. When may I or the law tell someone what to do when it refers to their own body and their own life. When they must raise the child themselves. You previous post was hyperbolic bull****e by the way. I nor you have the moral advantage to tell a woman she must have a child and it's her own fault for getting pregnant or leaving it to late to decide or change her mind. THAT is deeply immoral.




Thanks for that lovely point.

Your logic is fine but you're refusing to look at it from the point of view being expressed to you.

A woman who kills a baby the day after it is born is a monster - inhuman. A woman who aborts the day before her baby is born is liberated and expressing her right to choose.

Don't dismiss that as hyperbole or whatever. If you say it's ok to abort at a time when the baby could have already being born, then this is the point of view you are defending.

Sindri

MagicSean wrote: »

I'm making an observation about something I find humorous in society.

So was I.

Sindri

Suryavarman wrote: »

Nobody is forcing the woman to have a child. I'm just saying that if the woman doesn't want to have a child she shouldn't be an incompetent fool about it and she should have the abortion before the foetus is viable.

Yes they are if the law says she may not have an abortion after a certain time. The only reason she should not would be on medical advice.

And it is asking quite a bit to say to a woman that she is an incompetent fool because she is pregnant.

Sindri

blatantrereg wrote: »

Your logic is fine but you're refusing to look at it from the point of view being expressed to you.

A woman who kills a baby the day after it is born is a monster - inhuman. A woman who aborts the day before her baby is born is liberated and expressing her right to choose.

Don't dismiss that as hyperbole or whatever. If you say it's ok to abort at a time when the baby could have already being born, then this is the point of view you are defending.

Strawman.

MagicSean

Sindri wrote: »

Strawman.

Do you even know what that means?

Suryavarman

Sindri wrote: »

Yes they are if the law says she may not have an abortion after a certain time. The only reason she should not would be on medical advice.

If she is given plenty of time to have an abortion then it is her own fault to leave it so late that she is prohibited from having it.

And it is asking quite a bit to say to a woman that she is an incompetent fool because she is pregnant.

She is an incompetent fool if she leaves it to the last minute when there is a good chance that the foetus could survive outside the womb.

Sindri

MagicSean wrote: »

Do you even know what that means?

Do you?

Suryavarman wrote: »

If she is given plenty of time to have an abortion then it is her own fault to leave it so late that she is prohibited from having it.



She is an incompetent fool if she leaves it to the last minute when there is a good chance that the foetus could survive outside the womb.

It is not her own fault. Either way you phrase it that could lead to someone being forced to have a child. Lawmakers have to take these things into consideration.

Incompetent how? What are you insinuating. That she should always be wearing a helmet and armbands in case it rains or what?

Al Capwned

robman60 wrote: »

1. Religion: Religion is a curse, and the cause of so many wars, arguments etc.

2. Freedom of Speech: Yes there should - might be no harm if people actually say what they think, rather than saying what people want to hear

3. Censorship: Do you believe there should be any censorship of the internet or other media? No

4. Prostitution: Do you think prostitution should be legal? No

5. Same-sex marriage/adoption: Yes, and yes

6. Abortion: Do you think abortion should be legal? Yes it should be legal

7. Stem-cell research: Yes

8. Euthanasia: Yes, but in cases where death is relatively imminent only

9. Capital Punishment: No - defo against this

10. Marijuana: . Medicinal purposes only, for example, in cases of people who suffer from MS.

11. Other widely-illegal drugs: Illegal - and burn the cnuts that sell it


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philologos

On second thoughts, is the OP trying to roll each and every topic that engulfs AH into chaos into one? :pac:

blatantrereg

Sindri wrote: »

Strawman.

It's not a strawman. A strawman would be saying you support killing babies the day after they're born too. [you don't - right? ]

I'll put it another way:
What's the difference between a baby that was born at 8 months (for example) and a foetus that is 8 months along in the cycle? The way I see it, they are the same in every sense, except one is still in the womb, and one is outside it.
What about eight and a half months? Babies born after 37 weeks aren't even classed as premature.
I really think you have to draw the line somewhere. I dont accept that as long as they're still inside the mother they have no right as an entity in themselves.

Sindri

blatantrereg wrote: »

It's not a strawman. A strawman would be saying you support killing babies the day after they're born too. [you don't - right? ]

I'll put it another way:
What's the difference between a baby that was born at 8 months (for example) and a foetus that is 8 months along in the cycle? The way I see it, they are the same in every sense, except one is still in the womb, and one is outside it.
What about eight and a half months? Babies born after 37 weeks aren't even classed as premature.
I really think you have to draw the line somewhere. I dont accept that as long as they're still inside the mother they have no right as an entity in themselves.

The woman who is pregnant and will give birth to them will be the one looking after them, unless she decides for adoption. Now if she doesn't/didn't want the child and opted for an abortion only to be told she was not allowed by law, that means the law and the state would be enforcing a law which forced a woman to have a child she did not want.

Suryavarman

Suryavarman wrote: »

Nobody is forcing the woman to have a child. I'm just saying that if the woman doesn't want to have a child she shouldn't be an incompetent fool about it and she should have the abortion before the foetus is viable.

hard when abortion is illegal her for a woman to make competent decisions .

blatantrereg

Sindri wrote: »

The woman who is pregnant and will give birth to them will be the one looking after them, unless she decides for adoption. Now if she doesn't/didn't want the child and opted for an abortion only to be told she was not allowed by law, that means the law and the state would be enforcing a law which forced a woman to have a child she did not want.

That's really not what I was talking about. I strongly support the legalisation of abortion. Late term abortion is a different matter though - and that's what I'm talking about above.

Anyway I'm just reiterating the same point in slightly different ways - and at least one other poster has already been doing the same thing.