Is gay marriage a threat to humanity?

Spoonman75

MagicMarker wrote: »

It means you'll catch teh ghey.

I guess I'll have to get vaccinated from it. It works. Some guy told me once.

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

Gay marraige is wrong, full stop. I don't consider myself conservative or a gay basher, but gay marraige is unnatural. It's not just the religious aspect of it, itvis also the social. If countries allow this to happen, and in some cases it has, society will simply become disturbed. Marraige is sacred between man and woman. Now in my opinion there are many straight people who only consider marraige simply a day out and before you know it divorce papers are on the table. Divorce in my opinion was the worst thing to happen to this country. Marraige should be for life between man and woman, who then may create a family of their own by reproducing. Gay's can't do that, simply because life wasn't created that way. full stop. I say that with obviously no disrespect to childless hetro couples.

I agree. I'm mean there should be basic rules to govern society according to natural law. Take interracial marriages. That's another abomination. It's just not right that people of different races get together and have half-cast children. Those children will have no identity, they're lost, they're nothing. Even interclass marriages are sickening. Blacks should go with blacks. Whites should go with whites. Working class should go with working class. Higher class should go with higher class. Men should only marry women. Wives shouldn't be allowed to work outside the home and they should be the possession of the husbands. And what's with this crazy talk of women's suffrage? Society was far better off when people just knew their place.

Millicent

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

I agree. I'm mean there should be basic rules to govern society according to natural law. Take interracial marriages. That's another abomination. It's just not right that people of different races get together and have half cast children. Those children will have no identity, they're lost, they're nothing. Even interclass marriages are sickening. Blacks should go with blacks. Whites should go with whites. Working class should go with working class. Higher class should go with higher class. Men should only marry women. Wives shouldn't be allowed to work and they should be the possession of the husbands. And what's with this crazy talk of women's suffrage? Society was far better off when people just knew their place.

God, you know you've been on AH too long when it takes you a while to realise this is tongue-in-cheek. :pac:

vixen chaser

if you want to down the religious route, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. I know some hetro couples aren't blessed with children, that's not what I meant. I meant that the institution of marriage was created for man and woman, and more often than not, children came after in a carraige? one question, I'd love to ask though. How come when male gays come out of the closet they become incredibly camp, or maybe it's spelled kamp, pardon my spelling:D and they wern't that way before they came out., just curious. In reply o one thread about marraige breakdown and been miserable for enternity and making the children miserable, then I would say to you, don't get married. Some people can' get on with their siblings, but they'll always be yur sibling. When a person gets married, regardless of whether there are kids in the picture, there is a family created.

deise go deo

It's unfortunate that the Churches Leadership feels the need to take such a hardline stance, I can understand the reasoning behind it, even if I don't agree with it.

I'm a lay catholic, and Personally I have no problem whatsoever with homosexuality, thats their own business.

grindle

vixen chaser wrote: »

if you want to down the religious route, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Stevewafflewafflewaffle

If God created Adam and Eve, then he also created Adam and Steve, you twit.

That's with me supposing your argument has a hint of authority, despite it's reliance on colossal volumes of hearsay, told, as the gays would say, through the anals of time.

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

if you want to down the religious route, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

You understand what an allegory is or are you a biblical literalist? And given that we are all God's children, who exactly did make Adam and Steve then?

Spoonman75

vixen chaser wrote: »

if you want to down the religious route, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. I know some hetro couples aren't blessed with children, that's not what I meant. I meant that the institution of marriage was created for man and woman, and more often than not, children came after in a carraige? one question, I'd love to ask though. How come when male gays come out of the closet they become incredibly camp, or maybe it's spelled kamp, pardon my spelling:D and they wern't that way before they came out., just curious. In reply o one thread about marraige breakdown and been miserable for enternity and making the children miserable, then I would say to you, don't get married. Some people can' get on with their siblings, but they'll always be yur sibling. When a person gets married, regardless of whether there are kids in the picture, there is a family created.

I can't say I speak for everyone on this thread but, I'd imagine most of us don't want to go down the religious route.

I can think of 5 guys I've known throughout my life that turned out to be gay. None of them transformed into some sort of Big Gay Al parody you're trying to describe.

Having said that I'd imagine some men after they came out became noticeably more "camp". Do you know why?

Because of fear of expressing their real nature around bigots like you.

Edit: I'm willing to read any future posts of yours and consider them genuine opinions but I think you're trolling here. Just my opinion

busyliving

Would probably save humanity...might slow the population growth...well maybe not

vixen chaser

just not natural , and if gays are allowed to marry , then the whole idea of marraige should be abandoned for everyone. the issue of giving gays the right to marry is not on par with giving women suffrege or blacks the right to vote, that is totally different.

vixen chaser

Spoonman75 wrote: »

I can't say I speak for everyone on this thread but, I'd imagine most of us don't want to go down the religious route.

I can think of 5 guys I've known throughout my life that turned out to be gay. None of them transformed into some sort of Big Gay Al parody you're trying to describe.

Having said that I'd imagine some men after they came out became noticeably more "camp". Do you know why?

Because of fear of expressing their real nature around bigots like you.

What do you mean their real nature?.

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

if you want to down the religious route, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

You know the way God made Adam & Eve and they were the only two people on the planet when it all started. So wouldn't their children have had to go forth and multiply with each other and populate the world? So, is God in favour incestuous marriages but not gay marriages? If we're going down the religious route I think we should legalise incestuous marriages, also polygamous marriages - there's a heck of a lot of those in the Bible too.

vixen chaser wrote: »

I know some hetro couples aren't blessed with children, that's not what I meant. I meant that the institution of marriage was created for man and woman, and more often than not, children came after in a carraige?

So did God create the institution of marriage? I'm an fundamentalist Orthodox Cherokee, I believe that the institution of marriage was created by the Great Snorting Bullfrog God Blurbocheeko.

vixen chaser wrote: »

How come when male gays come out of the closet they become incredibly camp, or maybe it's spelled kamp, pardon my spelling:D and they wern't that way before they came out., just curious.

That's a ridiculous sterotype. I prefer cock, son, cock! Now go off and play with your titties you girly fag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU

vixen chaser wrote: »

In reply o one thread about marraige breakdown and been miserable for enternity and making the children miserable, then I would say to you, don't get married. Some people can' get on with their siblings, but they'll always be yur sibling. When a person gets married, regardless of whether there are kids in the picture, there is a family created.

I can't understand what point you're trying to make here...

grindle

vixen chaser wrote: »

...the whole idea of marraige should be abandoned for everyone...

You've almost said the right thing there...

Should've been:

vixen chaser wrote: »

...the whole idea of marriage should be everyone's individual choice and I need to educate myself philosophically so I can get the most out of life instead of frowning and talking crap about things I can't comprehend...

del88

vixen chaser wrote: »

if you want to down the religious route, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. I know some hetro couples aren't blessed with children, that's not what I meant. I meant that the institution of marriage was created for man and woman, and more often than not, children came after in a carraige? one question, I'd love to ask though. How come when male gays come out of the closet they become incredibly camp, or maybe it's spelled kamp, pardon my spelling and they wern't that way before they came out., just curious. In reply o one thread about marraige breakdown and been miserable for enternity and making the children miserable, then I would say to you, don't get married. Some people can' get on with their siblings, but they'll always be yur sibling. When a person gets married, regardless of whether there are kids in the picture, there is a family created.

Gay men often choose to hide there sexuality because of narrow minded individuals who would judge them as society disturbers....Then when they come out they probably think.... f the bigots...

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

just not natural , and if gays are allowed to marry , then the whole idea of marraige should be abandoned for everyone. the issue of giving gays the right to marry is not on par with giving women suffrege or blacks the right to vote, that is totally different.

You realise there are gay animals? How is homosexuality not natural then?

Marriage, as has been pointed out to you several times, is not a national construct either and has only been romanticised in recent history. Before that, it was akin to the sale of a woman. Why should gay people not be allowed to marry given the fact that it's largely a social and legal contract?

vixen chaser

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

You know the way God made Adam & Eve and they were the only two people on the planet when it all started. So wouldn't their children have had to go forth and multiply with each other and populate the world? So, is God in favour incestuous marriages but not gay marriages?



So did God create the institution of marriage? I'm an fundamentalist Orthodox Cherokee, I believe that the institution of marriage was created by the Great Snorting Bullfrog God Blurbocheeko.



That's a ridiculous sterotype. I prefer cock, son, cock! Now go off and play with your titties you girly fag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in9SiDtJLaU

I can't understand what point you're trying to make here...

You prefer cock, good for you. As for the point I am making, once a person gets married, then a family is created, your spouse becomes your family. That should remain a family for ever. If a person choses to get married, then that should be for life. I just think people should take marraige more seriously.

vixen chaser

I have no problem, with gay coming out etc, but I do with marriage

grindle

vixen chaser wrote: »

I have no problem, with gay coming out etc, but I do with marriage

Are you inviting Pacifist Pigeon somewhere?

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

I have no problem, with gay coming out etc, but I do with marriage

Why don't you answer the points people keep putting to you? It is not logical to say that you are against something "just because."

It seems you do have a problem with people coming out, since you keep calling gay marriage "unnatural" and posting things like "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

You prefer cock, good for you. As for the point I am making, once a person gets married, then a family is created, your spouse becomes your family. That should remain a family for ever. If a person choses to get married, then that should be for life. I just think people should take marraige more seriously.

So, let's say a husband beat the holy living tonsils out of his wife and kids and the wife doesn't want to be with him anymore - do you think that they should still be viewed as a happy loving functional family unit in the eyes of the law?

Spoonman75

vixen chaser wrote: »

What do you mean their real nature?.

Who they really are without fear of being mocked, bullied, or physically harmed. What they really feel without being mocked bullied or physically harmed. How they express themselves naturally without being mocked, bullied or physically harmed. If that is expressed in a "camp" manner then they will be more comfortable to express themselves as such.

vixen chaser

what question did you put to me. My last post means exactly what it states. I'm entitled to my opinion on marraige, as a citizen of this country.

My name is URL

vixen chaser wrote: »

just not natural , and if gays are allowed to marry , then the whole idea of marraige should be abandoned for everyone. the issue of giving gays the right to marry is not on par with giving women suffrege or blacks the right to vote, that is totally different.

The right to marry..?!

Can you define or outline what that right may entail?

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

I have no problem, with gay coming out etc, but I do with marriage

Ah come on now Vixen, just because we had a tumble around in the leaba doesn't mean we have to get married. It was just a once off Vixen, you don't have to be ashamed and go the whole way.

Spoonman75

vixen chaser wrote: »

just not natural , and if gays are allowed to marry , then the whole idea of marraige should be abandoned for everyone. the issue of giving gays the right to marry is not on par with giving women suffrege or blacks the right to vote, that is totally different.

Explain, as clearly as you can the text in bold.

Nyan Cat

vixen chaser wrote: »

, once a person gets married, then a family is created, your spouse becomes your family. That should remain a family for ever. If a person choses to get married, then that should be for life. I just think people should take marraige more seriously.

This is what doesn't make sense. Why on earth are you assuming that if gay marriage was allowed, they'd all divorce ?
You said yourself when people marry it creates a family. Why do you assume that the same isn't true of gay people that make such a strong comittment?
You seem to be suggesting gay people can not chose life partners because they're all busy breaking up and moving on. Which is mad..
I'll point out the divorce rates as one example as to why marriage is hardly the sacred institute to many herteros either.

I agree with you that people should be taking marriage far more seriously. Looking past the 'day out' and looking into the future. Not marrying folk they've known for weeks etc. the divorce rate is unnecessarily high

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

what question did you put to me. My last post means exactly what it states. I'm entitled to my opinion on marraige, as a citizen of this country.

You are entitled to have your opinion but not to put you tripe into action. What right have you to say to a woman who's been beaten to an inch of her life by her alcoholic husband that she ought to be still married to him and him alone for ever.

Just because you're a citizen of this country doesn't give you the right to dictate the direction of other people's lives. That's some pretty sick logic, to be honest.

vixen chaser

grindle wrote: »

Are you inviting Pacifist Pigeon somewhere?

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bodice ripper

gay marriage isn't natural.

just a thought - homosexual behavior is present in numerous examples throughout the natural kingdom. However, legal contracts binding sexual partners together are not.

Marriage isn't natural.

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

what question did you put to me. My last post means exactly what it states. I'm entitled to my opinion on marraige, as a citizen of this country.

Of course you're entitled to an opinion but others are, in the same vein, entitled to challenge you on it. You've said that you don't agree with gay marriage because it's not "natural". Since it's been shown to you time and time again that marriage in itself is inherently unnatural, what is your argument against it?

vixen chaser

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

So, let's say a husband beat the holy living tonsils out of his wife and kids and the wife doesn't want to be with him anymore - do you think that they should still be viewed as a happy loving functional family unit in the eyes of the law?

She should get away from him, but not divorce. If your brother did something terrible to you, he's still your brother, whether you like it or not/.

RMD

vixen chaser wrote: »

You prefer cock, good for you. As for the point I am making, once a person gets married, then a family is created, your spouse becomes your family. That should remain a family for ever. If a person choses to get married, then that should be for life. I just think people should take marraige more seriously.

Show me statistical evidence that homosexual couples are any less likely to stay in a long term relationship than straight couples. Bullshít point and you know it, half of American marriages for example end in divorce. Yes, certainly a sacred right.

grindle

vixen chaser wrote: »

?????????????/

Are there letters and spaces behind those question marks?

Debenhams loo?

Have you downloaded Grindr yet?

Much easier than communicating to him in code on boards.

bodice ripper

vixen chaser wrote: »

She should get away from him, but not divorce. If your brother did something terrible to you, he's still your brother, whether you like it or not/.

Yeah, but your brother isn't legal bound to you, geddit?

vixen chaser

Nyan Cat wrote: »

This is what doesn't make sense. Why on earth are you assuming that if gay marriage was allowed, they'd all divorce ?
You said yourself when people marry it creates a family. Why do you assume that the same isn't true of gay people that make such a strong comittment?
You seem to be suggesting gay people can not chose life partners because they're all busy breaking up and moving on. Which is mad..
I'll point out the divorce rates as one example as to why marriage is hardly the sacred institute to many herteros either.

I agree with you that people should be taking marriage far more seriously. Looking past the 'day out' and looking into the future. Not marrying folk they've known for weeks etc. the divorce rate is unnecessarily high

I never suggested such a thing, that gays will divorce, they shouldn't be allowed marry in the first place.

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

She should get away from him, but not divorce. If your brother did something terrible to you, he's still your brother, whether you like it or not/.

There's a difference between blood & flesh and something that's just written on parchment. Marriage is just a piece of parchment with two people's names written on it, nothing else.

Millicent

Nyan Cat wrote: »

This is what doesn't make sense. Why on earth are you assuming that if gay marriage was allowed, they'd all divorce ?

Adding to that, the rate of divorce among same-sex couples tends to be lower than their heterosexual peers. Lower rates of divorce between both in US states with same-sex marriage too.

Nyan Cat

On the camp issue: it makes sense that many are too scared to embrace or show off the inner camp before coming out..

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

She should get away from him, but not divorce. If your brother did something terrible to you, he's still your brother, whether you like it or not/.

What? Seriously? You should stay legally tied to someone who is abusive?

vixen chaser

Millicent wrote: »

Of course you're entitled to an opinion but others are, in the same vein, entitled to challenge you on it. You've said that you don't agree with gay marriage because it's not "natural". Since it's been shown to you time and time again that marriage in itself is inherently unnatural, what is your argument against it?

Yee are the ones saying it's unnatural., prove it is . I came across you in another thread and you were carrying one the same way, expecting those that son't agre with you to prove their point, even though you had not proved yours.

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

I never suggested such a thing, that gays will divorce, they shouldn't be allowed marry in the first place.

But since initial figures show* that gay people seem to take marriage MORE seriously than their heterosexual peers, why shouldn't they when they are the ones valuing the commitment?



*I acknowledge it's hard to be too conclusive with it given the brief passage of time that gay marriage has been legal in few places.

Pacifist Pigeon

RMD wrote: »

Show me statistical evidence that homosexual couples are any less likely to stay in a long term relationship than straight couples.

Well it is true. Gay relationships are shorter lived than straight relationships. But that's only because there's people like Vixen in the world who want to make gay people feel inadequate and viewed as less equal than everyone else. That leads to all sorts of problems in relationship. It doesn't have to be that way though. Once homosexuality is normalised (and it will be at some point in the future), it will be easier for gay people to form stable relationships and viewed as equals amongst society and their peers.

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

Yee are the ones saying it's unnatural., prove it is . I came across you in another thread and you were carrying one the same way, expecting those that son't agre with you to prove their point, even though you had not proved yours.

Did you really now? You see those things I link to? That's called supporting an argument, not wilfully putting my fingers in my ears and ignoring what people are saying to me.

But since you seem to want evidence for a basic argument, here you go:

Marriage (or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship.

Nothing natural in that at all.

That's Wikipedia. Took about two seconds.

Pacifist Pigeon

Nyan Cat wrote: »

On the camp issue: it makes sense that many are too scared to embrace or show off the inner camp before coming out..

Why is there such a stereotype out there that most gay people are naturally camp, it's just not true!! But yeah, for the effeminate gay people out there to suddenly appear camp when they're out, it makes sense.

grindle

vixen chaser wrote: »

Yee are the ones saying it's unnatural., prove it is . I came across you in another thread and you were carrying one the same way, expecting those that son't agre with you to prove their point, even though you had not proved yours.

nat·u·ral/ˈnaCHərəl/
Adjective:
Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

mar·riage/ˈmarij/
Noun:
The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.

Now, unless you're about to tell me that the law isn't needed in your version of marriage (what then, blood-oath?), you'll note that you can't have a marriage without the human construct of law entering the fray, which is by definition, unnatural.

socco

I've no problem with a gay couple marrying. let the gays be gay, its less competition I say!

vixen chaser

grindle wrote: »

nat·u·ral/ˈnaCHərəl/
Adjective:
Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

mar·riage/ˈmarij/
Noun:
The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.

Now, unless you're about to tell me that the law isn't needed in your version of marriage (what then, blood-oath?), you'll note that you can't have a marriage without the human construct of law entering the fray, which is by definition, unnatural.

There you go, 'a formal union of a man and a woman' my point exactly

Pacifist Pigeon

vixen chaser wrote: »

Yee are the ones saying it's unnatural., prove it is . I came across you in another thread and you were carrying one the same way, expecting those that son't agre with you to prove their point, even though you had not proved yours.

No-one here is suggesting that homosexuality isn't unnatural when it comes to the mechanics. I mean that's obvious, the penis was designed to be placed inside the vagina, not into the anus. But the fact that we have homosexuals, who were born that way (naturally), means that homosexuality is a natural occurrence. It's been observed in the rest of the animal kingdom. I feel more attracted to men, than to women ... I think that way naturally, I can't change the way I think.

Why should I not be allowed to marry someone simply because I have male genitalia? Why should marriage be based solely on reproduction and not love?

vixen chaser

Pacifist Pigeon wrote: »

No-one here is suggesting that homosexuality isn't unnatural when it comes to the mechanics. I mean that's obvious, the penis was designed to be placed inside the vagina, not into the anus. But the fact that we have homosexuals, who were born that way (naturally), means that homosexuality is a natural occurrence. It's been observed in the rest of the animal kingdom. I feel more attracted to men, than I am to women ... I think that way naturally, I can't change the way I think.

I have no problem with that, I just feel, that marraige is a man and woman thing.

Millicent

vixen chaser wrote: »

There you go, 'a formal union of a man and a woman' my point exactly

Your point was that it wasn't natural. It's proven there that it's marriage is not natural. If you mean that gay marriage is unusual then yes it is, but only because society largely has made gay marriage a social construct yet.