201 Class Locomotives

Hungerford · 23-08-2013 6:40pm

A flame-grilled 230 has been spotted outside York Road attached to 112 and an EGV. There are apparently weird wires sticking out of each of its cab side windows.

25-08-2013 6:21pm

Hungerford wrote: »

A flame-grilled 230 has been spotted outside York Road attached to 112 and an EGV. There are apparently weird wires sticking out of each of its cab side windows.

There's some photos on Chris Playfair's site:

http://chrisplayfair.smugmug.com/Travel/2013-Photos/August-2013/31150253_dQFZfg#!i=2722224345&k=K48F5c7&lb=1&s=A

Looks like 230's braking is knackered so they had to run a brake pipe from 112, pass it through 230's cab windows, and out to the EGV at the back.

Jamie2k9 · 25-08-2013 10:58pm

Karsini wrote: »

There's some photos on Chris Playfair's site:

http://chrisplayfair.smugmug.com/Travel/2013-Photos/August-2013/31150253_dQFZfg#!i=2722224345&k=K48F5c7&lb=1&s=A

Looks like 230's braking is knackered so they had to run a brake pipe from 112, pass it through 230's cab windows, and out to the EGV at the back.

Anyone know why the EGV was attached to the transfer?

Jonathan · 25-08-2013 11:02pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Anyone know why the EGV was attached to the transfer?

Additional braking capacity I'd assume.

Captain Chaos · 26-08-2013 5:48pm

230 was at Connolly shed coupled to 072 at 7:30 this morning. It is in a bad way alright.

n0brain3r · 26-08-2013 9:00pm

Anyone know why was the EGV running on the transfer with 230? To power the lights?

Captain Chaos · 26-08-2013 9:04pm

n0brain3r wrote: »

Anyone know why was the EGV running on the transfer with 230? To power the lights?

To provide brake force as 230s brakes are not in working order so effectively without the EGV, 112 has 110 tons of dead weight inertia behind it when it tries to stop. The brakes on an 071/112 when working as a light engine are not the best performers especially in poor rail conditions.

n0brain3r · 26-08-2013 9:08pm

Does the generator in the EGV need to be running to provide braking though? It looks from the pics that its running. I was thinking that the if the brake lines when damaged there was a fair chance the electrics are fried too and the generator was powering the tail lights on the carriage.

26-08-2013 9:10pm

I think the tail lights are battery powered.

Captain Chaos · 26-08-2013 9:12pm

n0brain3r wrote: »

Does the generator in the EGV need to be running to provide braking though? It looks from the pics that its running. I was thinking that the if the brake lines when damaged there was a fair chance the electrics are fried too and the generator was powering the tail lights on the carriage.

They could have used anything with working brake lines to act as brake force. It was just handy to use the spare EGV at YorkRoad. Nothing to do with powering lights.

It's like the way IE use spare spoil or weedspray tanker wagons with the Sperry wagon to add brake force when needed.

26-08-2013 9:21pm

I have a photo of 159 hauling 206 through Lisburn when 206 was being hauled back to Inchicore after its fire. On that occasion there was no van involved so the brakes were probably still working despite how badly damaged the loco was.

Captain Chaos · 26-08-2013 10:06pm

It seemed that 072 didn't use anything for brake force either but then again it's only a short hope to Inchicore and the hassle of getting the EGV back to Belfast would not be worth it.

n0brain3r · 26-08-2013 10:25pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

They could have used anything with working brake lines to act as brake force. It was just handy to use the spare EGV at YorkRoad. Nothing to do with powering lights.

It's like the way IE use spare spoil or weedspray tanker wagons with the Sperry wagon to add brake force when needed.

I get that just wondering why the generator was running in the EGV and what if anything was it powering

26-08-2013 10:26pm

n0brain3r wrote: »

I get that just wondering why the generator was running in the EGV and what if anything was it powering

I was curious of that myself, as to why the generator was running.

steamengine · 29-08-2013 2:22pm

231 on the 11.00 Enterprise at Connolly this morning !

metrovick001 · 30-08-2013 9:24am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtNCmIwdt8

204 & MK3s on 1750 Heuston Galway crossing the Curragh 12-May-2008

n0brain3r · 30-08-2013 2:41pm

Noisy 201! I'm guessing here because I didn't see it but between 9 & 10 this morning and again about 10 mins ago quite a loud loco passed Sallins. I don't think it was an 071 and the times tie in with 9:00 Heuston Cork and the 12:20 Cork Heuston services are they worked by the same set?

30-08-2013 7:13pm

Is 220 still going around unsilenced?

n0brain3r · 30-08-2013 9:37pm

That's what it sounded like a engine with a dodgy silencer. When I first heard a couple of days ago I thought it was in trouble.

davidlacey · 04-09-2013 6:07pm

233 was around connolly yesterday

Captain Chaos · 04-09-2013 6:10pm

227 is back on the Enterprise after being the standby 201 at Connolly on Monday. 233 arrived into Connolly at 16:15 with the afternoon Enterprise.

Still trying to track down the long missing 228 though.

04-09-2013 9:09pm

233 on a Belfast bound Enterprise this evening.

GTE · 15-09-2013 11:03pm

With reference to the rear of the loco in the above picture, I noticed two Enterprise 201s with heavy corrosion/holes/damage on panels above that air intake type of device.

Seems pretty serious with regards to maintenance. I'm thinking I saw 207 and 209 today at Connolly. One parked up, the other on the evening Enterprise.

Do the other 201s have similar issues?

Captain Chaos · 16-09-2013 1:28am

Yeah 207 and 209 have paint pealing around the vents on the number 2 cab ends, looks really bad. 227 is also showing alot of faded orange on it's roof from the silver paint pealing off.

Captain Chaos · 16-09-2013 5:47pm

227 arrived in Connolly at 16:20 with a DD set in HEP mode. There was no EGV on the set. The saga continues.

16-09-2013 5:57pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

227 arrived in Connolly at 16:20 with a DD set in HEP mode. There was no EGV on the set. The saga continues.

That sounds odd. Any time I saw the EGVs in service, the HEP cables weren't connected to the 201.

Captain Chaos · 16-09-2013 6:21pm

Karsini wrote: »

That sounds odd. Any time I saw the EGVs in service, the HEP cables weren't connected to the 201.

What I mean is it's back to square one, there is at least one DD set in service with no EGV. Whatever problems there were with the EGVs, they have not solved them. I can see 209 going back to Cork and freight runs.

16-09-2013 8:15pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

What I mean is it's back to square one, there is at least one DD set in service with no EGV. Whatever problems there were with the EGVs, they have not solved them. I can see 209 going back to Cork and freight runs.

Ah sorry, was reading it on my phone and missed the no EGV part.

GTE · 17-09-2013 2:24am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Yeah 207 and 209 have paint pealing around the vents on the number 2 cab ends, looks really bad. 227 is also showing alot of faded orange on it's roof from the silver paint pealing off.

Ahh, well if its paint that's better though it looks like full on corrosion and holes from a short distance. That's what dark paint does to the eyes anyway.

Jonathan · 17-09-2013 9:02am

233 just pulling into Connolly with an EGV in the set.

Captain Chaos · 19-09-2013 10:07pm

Don't know if all 3 sets are back to EGVs but I saw two sets today with them. 206+EGV on the 7:35ex Connolly and 227+EGV arriving at 16:15 into Connolly.

Hungerford · 19-09-2013 10:32pm

All three are. Presumably there was a minor fault with one of them.

Itssoeasy · 21-09-2013 4:31pm

226 was the loco on the cork - Dublin service at 16.20. I didn't see the DVT number.

Itssoeasy · 21-09-2013 4:49pm

234 is sitting in Kent station having arrived from Dublin with 4006.

TheBandicoot · 23-09-2013 4:40pm

Saw 231 about 13:25 at Connolly platform 2 without an EGV again.

Captain Chaos · 23-09-2013 6:49pm

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Saw 231 about 13:25 at Connolly platform 2 without an EGV again.

It had one this morning at 7:00 in Connolly, almost sure of it, was half asleep at the time though.

CaptainFreedom · 23-09-2013 7:25pm

There was an EGV in the coach sidings at Connolly this morning, parked with RPSI 461. Ive no idea if this is the 4th 'spare' EGV or not though

Captain Chaos · 24-09-2013 8:33pm

I noted 209 on the 7:35 service at Connolly while 206 was shut down on the turn table. Then at 16:15 206 shunted to the wash road and back to the turn table to shut down again. I thought it was going to swap for 227 that arrived at same time with the down Enterprise.

metrovick001 · 26-09-2013 9:52am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqEn1AiQaag

212 & MK3s working the 1435 Heuston-Galway at Stacumny Bridge on 28-January-2009

CaptainFreedom · 26-09-2013 7:31pm

231 on the 16.05 Belfast-Connolly today, no EGV, HEP in full flight

metrovick001 · 28-09-2013 12:10pm

211 on 1705 Heuston Limerick at Hazelhatch 24-October-2006

RonanM123 · 28-09-2013 1:39pm

224 was removed from service yesterday evening after arriving with the 15.20 from Cork, developed a fault between Limierck Junction and Portlaoise. Didn't see the replacement number but think it was 22 something.

steamengine · 28-09-2013 8:18pm

207 on the 11:00 down Enterprise this morning passing through Harmonstown :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynxsuR8YsCc

n0brain3r · 04-10-2013 12:39pm

222 & 215 worked IWT trains today and have been on them for the past week give or take.

n0brain3r · 07-10-2013 10:59am

222 passed today on a Ballina bound IWT and the driver was wearing ear protectors. Is it that bad in the cab?

GTE · 07-10-2013 3:21pm

n0brain3r wrote: »

222 passed today on a Ballina bound IWT and the driver was wearing ear protectors. Is it that bad in the cab?

It doesn't take much for hearing protection to be in your best interests.
More than 8 hours in an average busy city street-side room with the window open will require employers to offer hearing protection. 15 - 30 seconds in a night club will hurt you badly without you knowing it.

A good reading of in cab sound levels with how long the driver spends in the cab would be very interesting indeed.

Here is a pic from an audio blog I follow.
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TheBandicoot · 07-10-2013 3:36pm

Of the course the problem is that drivers need to have some hearing, since they need to hear CAWS tones, the DSD, detonators and radio calls, so getting the right balance in terms of ear protection might be tough. These days anyway cabs of new trains are generally built with good sound proofing so the issue will hopefully get less prevalent.

GTE · 07-10-2013 3:48pm

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Of the course the problem is that drivers need to have some hearing, since they need to hear CAWS tones, the DSD, detonators and radio calls, so getting the right balance in terms of ear protection might be tough. These days anyway cabs of new trains are generally built with good sound proofing so the issue will hopefully get less prevalent.

Indeed, perhaps ear defenders with headphones inside could be a retrofit for older more loud locos but that is just speculation since we have no in cab figures to go off. Also does not nothing for detonators.

Although I love the sound of the 071 class, I wonder how loud they are in the cab given the amount of warning they give of their arrival :P

Losty Dublin · 07-10-2013 9:18pm

I have a set of what used to be the Irish Rail staff issue headphones at home which I use whilst working in nightclubs and gigs. They wholly encase the ear and cut out large volume and high and low range yet but they let you hear conversation and small sounds close by to you. A driver wearing them would easy hear CAWS and other in cab warning tones.

07-10-2013 11:19pm

I remember a driver friend of mine saying to me that he loved nothing more than going through the centre road at Kildare in an 071 at notch 8, and watching the passengers cover their ears on either side.

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