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Retirement numbers

  • 11-01-2012 1:36am
    #1
    Chilli Con Kearney
    Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭


    Read this article the other day and was surprised that more teachers were not planning to take early retirement.

    With the ratio change from guidance counsellors, as well as existing teachers with some hours in a school being bumped up, does this essentially mean that there will not be many opportunities for NQTs this year?

    Or am I missing something?

    Are these numbers only for teachers going in February and NOT continuing on until June?

    http://irishexaminer.ie/ireland/7000-public-workers-apply-to-retire-179097.html


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  • #2
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Those would be figures for anyone retiring in February. Those teachers have the choice to leave and not come back, or to retire but be rehired, as a sub basically until June on the new scale of pay to ensure continuity of their classes. Whether they take up this offer or not shouldn't affect the number quoted for February retirements.

    It's about 1 teacher retiring for two-thirds of all second level schools. It's a lot of people but realistically it's not a huge number of jobs. Some hours will be swallowed up by the guidance counsellors and some will go to teachers on part time hours. There will be some jobs, but probably not the 465 full time positions (assuming all teachers retiring are permanent and on full hours) quoted in the article.


  • #3
    RealJohn
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    It's about 1 teacher retiring for two-thirds of all second level schools. It's a lot of people but realistically it's not a huge number of jobs. Some hours will be swallowed up by the guidance counsellors and some will go to teachers on part time hours. There will be some jobs, but probably not the 465 full time positions (assuming all teachers retiring are permanent and on full hours) quoted in the article.
    Chances are a lot of those retiring aren't on full teaching hours either given that a lot of teachers of an age where they might want to retire probably have posts of responsibility and a lot of those posts will be absorbed in other teachers' posts of responsibility in the same school given the moratorium on A/B posts.


  • #4
    whiteandlight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭whiteandlight


    Yup and unfortunately NQTs will be competing against teachers out 4-7 years and still not permanent for these positions


  • #5
    Nolanger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Nolanger


    What % of secondary teachers drop out of the profession before reaching retirement age?


  • #6
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,271 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Nolanger wrote: »
    What % of secondary teachers drop out of the profession before reaching retirement age?
    In my experience, not that many, apart from people who get a serious illness. I don't know any official figures, apart from the frightennig statistic that for male teachers who stay till full retirement age, the average life expectancy is 3 years. I personally knew four male teachers who were all dead within a year of retiring, one poor man didn't even get to spend his first pension cheque.

    I have been teaching 25+ years and worked in three schools and in that time I have known one full-time Home Ec. teacher who switched career into horticulture, one part-time Woodwork teacher who went to America to be a carpenter and one part-time English and Geography teacher who started a tour bus company.

    I'm sure among 'Dippers' who can't get hours and casual part-time people the numbers are probably higher, but once they are gone from the school we rarely hear what they are doing. The rest of us plod on.


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  • #7
    trihead
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    spurious wrote: »
    In my experience, not that many, apart from people who get a serious illness. I don't know any official figures, apart from the frightennig statistic that for male teachers who stay till full retirement age, the average life expectancy is 3 years. I personally knew four male teachers who were all dead within a year of retiring, one poor man didn't even get to spend his first pension cheque.

    I have been teaching 25+ years and worked in three schools and in that time I have known one full-time Home Ec. teacher who switched career into horticulture, one part-time Woodwork teacher who went to America to be a carpenter and one part-time English and Geography teacher who started a tour bus company.

    I'm sure among 'Dippers' who can't get hours and casual part-time people the numbers are probably higher, but once they are gone from the school we rarely hear what they are doing. The rest of us plod on.

    wow, scary stuff:eek: do you have any further info on those stats? any links? just interested in reading more on it.


  • #8
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,271 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    trihead wrote: »
    wow, scary stuff:eek: do you have any further info on those stats? any links? just interested in reading more on it.

    I will try find the document it came from. I know it was something TUI (possibly with the other unions) got drawn up a few years ago in consultation with actuaries.

    They were addressing the need for pre-retirement planning as it was often the case that while female retirees saw retirement as a chance to get on with things work prevented them having time for, many men had 'lost their sense of purpose' when they stopped working and this led to higher mortality rates. I remember the numbers were dramatically different for male teachers who retired before they 'had' to, either through early retirement, or going before they reached 65.


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