Nuclear Scientist in Iran? You won't live too long!

If Iran cannot protect its scientists, how can it protect material being transferred between the different nuclear sites from being intercepted?

Chuck Stone

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Considering Iran trained the Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, supplies them with weapons, logistics and explosives to carry out the attacks then yes I do hold them directly responsible.

The US supplies Israel with billions of dollars worth of hardware which it has used to attack Lebanon and crush dissent from the Palestinians. That combined with the US propping up brutal dictators who STFU on the Palestinian issue (Egypt & Jordan for ex) and keep the oil flowing and act as US bases (S. Arabia Bahrain)

wes

KerranJast wrote: »

Post #66, you quote me twice and say in response to one of my quotes:

Yes, and in post 64 you reply to my post 62, which was replying the following:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76448215&postcount=58

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Yeah its not like Iran has ever killed thousands of US Marines and Israeli soldiers through proxy terrorist organizations.... :rolleyes:

Again, ignoring the context make everything confusing.

wes

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Because Iran is proposing to shut off a strait where 40% of the world's oil supply flows. Thats why. Did you miss that?

Yes, in response to the US putting sanctions on there central bank (which they consider an act of war), or if there attacked, which is no worse than US or Israel threatening to attack Iran from there POV.

Also, any attack on Iran by Israel or the US, would result in Iran attack the straits to fight back, so a US/Israeli attack is just as bad.

KerranJast

Nodin wrote: »

If you might get back to me.....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76450705&postcount=85

This is news to me. Then again Cheney is the guy with the man sized safe, an addition to redacting everything and anything from documents, who refuses to testify before Congressional committees and had his house removed from Google maps. (God I mess the glory days of Jon Stewart ripping on him ).

It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to set up some private organisation like a Blackwater version of a spy agency. Have you more info on this? I'm genuinely interested.

KerranJast

wes wrote: »

Yes, and in post 64 you reply to my post 62, which was replying the following:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76448215&postcount=58


Again, ignoring the context make everything confusing.

Right fair enough. Lets leave it be

IvySlayer

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Signing out of this argument now before I waste anymore time.

Wes, I suggest you read up on the history of the region and stem your biased hatred for America which clouds any valid points you may have.

People don't hate America, they hate the aggressive foreign policy their government have. I hate their bullying tactics and the victim card that gets played when someone retaliates.

Stop messing about in Isreal/Iran/Saudi Arabia.

HavingCrack

KerranJast wrote: »

Also if it was a War over Oil, it was the most hamfisted way of making an oil grab ever. North America has one of the largest oil reserves in the world which would have been much cheaper and cost less blood to extract than a 9 year quagmire .

However the US uses very, very little of its own oil supplies. The vast majority is diverted to the US strategic reserve for stockpiling in case of war. If Iran blockades the straits the US will probably have to tap into the stockpile.

wes

Iphonehelp wrote: »

I dont know why I bother, I really don't....

Hezbollah of Iran were set up in 1979 during the Iranian revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_of_Iran

Your talking about a different group ffs. Your being ridiculous now. I was referring the Lebanon's Hezbollah, which you can see here came into existence during Israel invasion of Lebanon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
1980s
Main article: South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000)

Ending Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon was the primary focus of Hezbollah's early activities.[7] Israel had become militarily involved in Lebanon in combat with the Palestine Liberation Organization, which had been invited into Lebanon after Black September in Jordan. Israel had been attacking the PLO in Southern Lebanon in the lead-up to the 1982 Lebanon War, and Israel had invaded and occupied Southern Lebanon and besieged Beirut.[17]

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Hezbollah of Lebannon were an offshoot of that organization that were trained and funded by IRGC.

Which came in to existence during the Lebanon war.... Hardly difficult to figure out who I was talking about now is it? Seriously, you are going out of your way to obtuse.

wes

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Wes, I suggest you read up on the history of the region and stem your biased hatred for America which clouds any valid points you may have.

I could accuse of a hatred of Iran, and engaging in clear double standards and hyperbole, but there is no point in that. Having a different view is not the same as hating the US. They act in there own percieved interest just like Iran. I consider both be a bunch of idiots who will kick off a war the world doesn't need.

Nodin

KerranJast wrote: »

This is news to me. Then again Cheney is the guy with the man sized safe, an addition to redacting everything and anything from documents, who refuses to testify before Congressional committees and had his house removed from Google maps. (God I mess the glory days of Jon Stewart ripping on him ).

It wouldn't surprise me if he tried to set up some private organisation like a Blackwater version of a spy agency. Have you more info on this? I'm genuinely interested.

It's rather more damning than that. There was a congressional investigation which led to a rather damning assesment of Douglas Feith, yet others escaped censure, for 'some reason'. Trying to nail down a group of lawyers seems to be akin to trying to do the same to oil. While you may dismiss wiki itself, the references at the bottom are both legitamate and relevant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans

For an overall view that gets the mentality this is an excellent series...though long
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/cheney/?hpid=specialreports
The arrogance of some those involved was unbelievable. When questioned, Addington, I remember, took an attitude that was worthy of some monarch who believed in the divine right confronted by rabble.

Iphonehelp

wes wrote: »

Your talking about a different group ffs. Your being ridiculous now. I was referring the Lebanon's Hezbollah, which you can see here came into existence during Israel invasion of Lebanon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah






Which came in to existence during the Lebanon war.... Hardly difficult to figure out who I was talking about now is it? Seriously, you are going out of your way to obtuse.

Sorry I had to come back to call you out on that one. You deliberately take that quote out of context in a pathetic attempt to show me up. Lebannon Hizbollah are an offshoot of the Iranian Hezbollah.

You conveniently leave out the next sentence in your own quote LOL...

Hezbollah first emerged in response to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, during the Lebanese civil war.[7] Its leaders were inspired by Ayatollah Khomeini, and its forces were trained and organized by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

Nice try.

if you dont have a bias then why are you deliberately leaving things out of your quotes and misquoting me?
Dont answer I just came back to show you up as someone who cant be trusted to even argue without resorting to pathetic tactics.

wes

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Sorry I had to come back to call you out on that one. You deliberately take that quote out of context in a pathetic attempt to show me up. Lebannon Hizbollah are an offshoot of the Iranian Hezbollah.

I was clearly talking about Lebanon ffs.

Iphonehelp wrote: »

You conveniently leave out the next question in your quote LOL...

Hezbollah first emerged in response to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, during the Lebanese civil war.[7] Its leaders were inspired by Ayatollah Khomeini, and its forces were trained and organized by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

Nice try.

Except that I didn't. Again Hezbollah in Lebanon came into existence during the Lebanon war, and yes they were helped out by Iran.

Iphonehelp wrote: »

if you dont have a bias then why are you deliberately leaving things out of your quotes and misquoting me?

I quoted you in full, but I did split it up, but that hardly misquoting. Again, you accusation of bias is rather hilarious. I was talking about a different group and you decide to talk about another one. You are clearly being obtuse on purpose.

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Dont answer I just came back to show you up as someone who cant be trusted to even argue without resorting to pathetic tactics.

Coming from someone who deliberately mis-represeted me, by talking about Iranian Hezbollah, when I was clearly referring to the bunch in Lebanon, thats a bit rich.

Also, I never mis-quoted you. I quoted your post in full, so again making crap up. The other quote I posted was from Wikipedia, and not you, hence the link to wikipedia above it, and that quote was no attributed to you, as the other 2 quote were. I moved the wiki link into the quote, as you clearly think I was attributing the quote from wikipedia to you for some reason. You seem to have a persecution complex or something, as your name was clearly put into any quotes I made that I attributed to you.

Finally, why you refuse to accept that I was talking about Lebanon is beyond me, and why seem stuck on talking about the Iranian Hezbollah is agian beyond me. It was clear from context who I was talking about.

Iphonehelp

wes wrote: »

I was clearly talking about Lebanon ffs.



Except that I didn't. Again Hezbollah in Lebanon came into existence during the Lebanon war, and yes they were helped out by Iran.



I quoted you in full, but I did split it up, but that hardly misquoting. Again, you accusation of bias is rather hilarious. I was talking about a different group and you decide to talk about another one. You are clearly being obtuse on purpose.



Coming from someone who deliberately mis-represeted me, by talking about Iranian Hezbollah, when I was clearly referring to the bunch in Lebanon, thats a bit rich.

Also, I never mis-quoted you. I quoted your post in full, so again making crap up. The other quote I posted was from Wikipedia, and not you, hence the link to wikipedia above it, and that quote was no attributed to you, as the other 2 quote were. I moved the wiki link into the quote, as you clearly think I was attributing the quote from wikipedia to you for some reason. You seem to have a persecution complex or something, as your name was clearly put into any quotes I made that I attributed to you.

Finally, why you refuse to accept that I was talking about Lebanon is beyond me, and why seem stuck on talking about the Iranian Hezbollah is agian beyond me. It was clear from context who I was talking about.

So let me get this straight.

You think that a group that is named after an Iranian group set up before it, is trained, armed and funded by the same people who train and fund the Iranian group and who Lebannon politicians consistently call Iran's influence in the country is a completely different organization?

The difference between Lebannon Hizbollah and Iran Hizbollah is like the difference between the Dublin brigade of the IRA and the Belfast Brigade of the IRA.

Its run by the same people! Its the same organization! I can't actually believe someone could genuinely believe otherwise.

Now im really done (but thank you for the laughs )

RichieC

KerranJast wrote: »

Meh. Sustained hacking attacks and targetted assassinations are much more preferable to a bombing campaign which would only drive the public towards the Theocrats.

Yea I think AQ would agree with you :rolleyes:

wes

Iphonehelp wrote: »

So let me get this straight.

You think that a group that is named after an Iranian group set up before it, is trained, armed and funded by the same people who train and fund the Iranian group and who Lebannon politicians consistently call Iran's influence in the country is a completely different organization?

There clearly seperate organisation with seperate leadership. You know Hassan Nassrallah is running the show in Lebanon, and recieveing support from Iran. Not the same as Iran controlling them.

Iphonehelp wrote: »

The difference between Lebannon Hizbollah and Iran Hizbollah is like the difference between the Dublin brigade of the IRA and the Belfast Brigade of the IRA.

I would say its more like Muslim Brotherhood or Baath party, both of which have various iterations all around the Middle East. There not all one big organisation.

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Its run by the same people! Its the same organization! I can't actually believe someone could genuinely believe otherwise.

Great, then I am sure you can prove that then, right? Care to show how Iranian Hezbollah is actually running things and not Hassan Nasrallah then.

Your earlier link btw, never said they had a connection, and in fact Wikipedia considers them seperate. So, the only proof you have provided is that there the same on your say so alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_of_Iran

Not a single mention of Lebanese Hezbollah or any connection to them in your link. Your making crap up again as per usual So, get back to me when you can actual prove a link between the 2 groups or that there the same. Having the same name isn't enough. So, again much like you claims of 1000s being killed by Iran, you making stuff up. Its seem from reading your link there 2 seperate groups with the same name, and no link between the 2 are mentioned.

Now going to the wiki entry on Hezbollah in Lebanon it says the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

Hezbollah first emerged in response to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, during the Lebanese civil war.[7] Its leaders were inspired by Ayatollah Khomeini, and its forces were trained and organized by a contingent of Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

So inspired by Khomeni, and the Iranian revolutionary guards were involved in training them up. Again no mention of Hezbollah Lebanon being one and the same as Hezbollah in Iran. So, yes I admit Iran trains and helps them, but there is nothing to sugggest they actual run them or that an Iranian Hezbollah run them either.

Tom

Am I the only who thinks there's a hollowed out volcano somewhere with all of these "murdered" nuclear scientists building the destruction of the West and going mmmmmmmuuuuaaahhhhhhhahahah?

Biggins

Tom wrote: »

Am I the only who thinks there's a hollowed out volcano somewhere with all of these "murdered" nuclear scientists building the destruction of the West and going mmmmmmmuuuuaaahhhhhhhahahah?

No. Tom Cruise and L Ron Hubbard might come up with a similar idea!

...Opps, too late!

Temptamperu

You leave xenon out of this Biggins :pac:

Jaafa

Iphonehelp wrote: »

I dont know why I bother, I really don't....

Hezbollah of Iran were set up in 1979 during the Iranian revolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_of_Iran

Hezbollah of Lebannon were an offshoot of that organization that were trained and funded by IRGC.

Had Israel not invaded they would have never set up in Lebanon, they would not have had the support or willing fighters to do the job. Hizbollah is a direct result of Israels invasion of Lebanon.

bwatson

Have the Iranians released a statement condemning MI6 and Britain yet? It is what they usually do. Proof doesn't seem to be massively important to them.

Very interesting, worrying times ahead.

Jaafa

bwatson wrote: »

Have the Iranians released a statement condemning MI6 and Britain yet? It is what they usually do. Proof doesn't seem to be massively important to them.

Very interesting, worrying times ahead.

Actually I don't remember them ever doing that, they usually (and rightly) blame mossad.

Biggins

Temptamperu wrote: »

You leave xenon out of this Biggins :pac:

You mean Xenu - you know... from the planet Zanussi!

bwatson

Jaafa wrote: »

Actually I don't remember them ever doing that, they usually (and rightly) blame mossad.

Actually? Oh well, you must be right then.

I assume you are going to release all this evidence you have collected on operations the Mossad have conducted in Iran some time soon?

UglyBolloxFace

Chuck Stone wrote: »

FAIL.

That dumb 'analysis' is akin to the idiotic crap that G.W. Bush spouted after 9/11 that culminated in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and trillions of dollars of lost wealth.

Are we any freer for it?

No, less free if anything.

He was being sarcastic, for fucks sake:rolleyes:

Freddie59

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ohh great here goes amerisreal again.

Id feel safer with iran having nuclear weapons pointed at bedroom than I would the US having them anywhere.

Wow! Wonderful plan.:rolleyes: I'll take the Yanks ahead of those fcuking Iranian scumbags anyday. Every time. Unless you prefer a dictatorship.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just remember america, your the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons against innocent people

Yes. And with good reason.

Jaafa

bwatson wrote: »

Actually? Oh well, you must be right then.

I assume you are going to release all this evidence you have collected on operations the Mossad have conducted in Iran some time soon?

Yes I am right, Iran always chiefly blames Mossad. Who would be the prime suspect to even the most vehement opposer of Iran.


Are you suggesting then that Iran themselves killed him?

Makes sense I guess, a country suffering a severe brain drain, trying to conduct a large scale nuclear program with limited resources, whats the best way to get more Nuclear scientist? I know! Kill the ones we already have! Makes perfect sense.

fedor.2.

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

He was being sarcastic, for fucks sake:rolleyes:

They get very bad, dont they

UglyBolloxFace

wes wrote: »

Pakistan has a lot of faults, but its not a dictatorship. The current government, who again have many faults, were nonetheless democratically elected.

You could, and would, say the same about the US. But I wouldn't - the US is a quasi-dictatorship. It may appear that the people have choice, but no, the person with the most money to spend on his campaign always wins.

Americans don't have freedom - they only have mundane choices; what pizza topping will I choose; what will I watch on TV tonight?; which dead soldier's funeral will I picket.

The US disgusts me. And I mean that.

fedor.2.

NinjaK wrote: »

excuse me?

No

fedor.2.

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

You could, and would, say the same about the US. But I wouldn't - the US is a quasi-dictatorship. It may appear that the people have choice, but no, the person with the most money to spend on his campaign always wins.

Americans don't have freedom - they only have mundane choices; what pizza topping will I choose; what will I watch on TV tonight?; which dead soldier's funeral will I picket.

The US disgusts me. And I mean that.

Im sure they're worried

UglyBolloxFace

fedor.2. wrote: »

They get very bad, dont they

Yep, ****ing idiots. Part of me thinks they realise that they are being sarcastic, but they just come out with that retort in a pathetic attempt at thanks-whoring.

Chuck Stone

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

He was being sarcastic, for fucks sake:rolleyes:

And I was to know this?

Calm down btw.

fedor.2.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

And I was to know this?

Calm down btw.

Everyone knows i hate freedom

Chuck Stone

fedor.2. wrote: »

Everyone knows i hate freedom

I had no idea you were a prison officer.

alphanine

fedor.2. wrote: »

Im sure they're worried

So true, its hilarious to read all the anti-US bullcrap on boards by pathetic Che Guevara t-shirt wearing crusty IT graduates. Imagine if the US pulled out their multi-nationals what would happen the Irish economy?

Nodin

alphanine wrote: »

So true, its hilarious to read all the anti-US bullcrap on boards by pathetic Che Guevara t-shirt wearing crusty IT graduates.

You know us so well.....

fedor.2.

O! say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave

Freddie59

alphanine wrote: »

So true, its hilarious to read all the anti-US bullcrap on boards by pathetic Che Guevara t-shirt wearing crusty IT graduates. Imagine if the US pulled out their multi-nationals what would happen the Irish economy?

Ah but we can't be pointing that out now - can we?:rolleyes::D

as125634do

ah come on everyone knows the usa is using european policies a few hundred years ago when they used ships to travel far and wide for other countries resources. When they found it hard to get at these resources they tricked the locals into fighting amongst themselves and ran off with the loot or something to that effect. Ignorance is easy to manipulate.

The cost of these wars interests me...do the americans pay their own arms industry for the wars or what? so these politicians who have shares in the arms industry are happy when american taxes pays itself for war?? how that work?

the che types are only sticking up for the underdog, america is the boss the superpower and its natural for it to throw its weight around.

Chuck Stone

alphanine wrote: »

So true, its hilarious to read all the anti-US bullcrap on boards by pathetic Che Guevara t-shirt wearing crusty IT graduates.

It's strange how those of us who question why American blood and treasure should be wasted in foreign wars that don't have much to do with the average American are called...

wait for it.... ANTI-American!

Imagine if the US pulled out their multi-nationals what would happen the Irish economy?

The multinationals are here to make a profit.

Multinationals bottom line is much more important than jingoistic nationalism.

RichieC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

Iran is an example of a country that has made considerable advances through education and training, despite international sanctions in almost all aspects of research during the past 30 years. Iran's university population swelled from 100,000 in 1979 to 2 million in 2006. Seventy percent of its science and engineering students are women.[1] Iran's scientific progress is reported to be the fastest in the world.[2] Iran has made great strides in different sectors, including aerospace, nuclear science, medical development, as well as stem cell and cloning research.[3]

alphanine

as125634do wrote: »

ah come on everyone knows the usa is using european policies a few hundred years ago when they used ships to travel far and wide for other countries resources. When they found it hard to get at these resources they tricked the locals into fighting amongst themselves and ran off with the loot or something to that effect. Ignorance is easy to manipulate.

The cost of these wars interests me...do the americans pay their own arms industry for the wars or what? so these politicians who have shares in the arms industry are happy when american taxes pays itself for war?? how that work?

the che types are only sticking up for the underdog, america is the boss the superpower and its natural for it to throw its weight around.

The anti-US sentiment even happens in every day life in Ireland - I remember reading some where (would post a link if I could) warning US citizens of verbal attacks from Irish people. It may have been the CIA but can't be bothered checking. I find that quite sad as tourism is vital here and visitors here on holiday don't deserve that abuse.

Freddie59

RichieC wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

And just to give some reality checks to the wonderful treatment of women in Iran today:

http://www.iranhumanrights.org/tag/women-iran/

Freddie59

alphanine wrote: »

The anti-US sentiment even happens in every day life in Ireland - I remember reading some where (would post a link if I could) warning US citizens of verbal attacks from Irish people. It may have been the CIA but can't be bothered checking. I find that quite sad as tourism is vital here and visitors here on holiday don't deserve that abuse.

Verbal attacks from a few cranks really. And ones to be laughed off.

HellFireClub

fedor.2. wrote: »

Iran is a danger to the rest of the world and should be treated as such. Ah if only it was an ideal world...... You should be down on your knees thanking god that there are people out there risking their lives to protect hippies like you from tyranny

Riiiiight... How are the Israeli government, by sending undercover Mossad agents into Iran to kill innocent scientists, how is that protecting me?!? The Israeli government is an extremely hawkish, pro-conflict, highly intrasigent and utterly insecure entity that seems to be on a mission to start World War 3. How are those undertakings, the constant tormenting of the Palistinian people and the disgraceful "undeclared" war like attacks on Iran, how are those actions "protecting" me or anyone else on this planet?

Also, how come it is tolerated that Israel can hold nuclear weapons but Iran cannot, how can you say that you will not tolerate your neighbour having access to something that you have???

Chuck Stone

Freddie59 wrote: »

And just to give some reality checks to the wonderful treatment of women in Iran today:

http://www.iranhumanrights.org/tag/women-iran/

Yeah and sanctions and impoverishment of the less privileged people of Iran is really gonna fix the women's rights issue.

The Israeli

I also don't believe that Iran will launch atomic attacks on other countries but it can ship radioactive material to hezbollah and Hamas which on their turn can use it against cevil population.

However, the main problem in letting the Iranians become a nuclear weapons holder is the scenario in which one or more of the western states launches an operation against Thaliban, Hezbollah, Syria, North Korea and etc, and Iran declares that it's arming and aiming its nuclear missiles and is ready to prevent any "Western Emperialistic" aggression. That will put us and you too in a very unhealthy position and it may tie the hands of western forces in their fight for the western cevilization.

The ones that prefer Islamic - Chinese dominance in the world will be very happy in that case, of course.

Capt'n Midnight

Iphonehelp wrote: »

Because Iran is proposing to shut off a strait where 40% of the world's oil supply flows. Thats why. Did you miss that?

Did you miss that the US is proposing to shut off 100% of Iran's exports including oil.

The war with Japan started the same way.

Capt'n Midnight

Unavailable for Comment wrote: »

Hamburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were more legitimate raids in that at least military targets were destroyed and certainly in Japan, civilians were warned by leaflet drop and sustained radio broadcast to abandon the cities in advance.

An airplane factory in a country with no aluminium or fuel ?

A port when there is no shipping ?




http://www.dannen.com/decision/targets.html

He has surveyed possible targets possessing the following qualification: (1) they be important targets in a large urban area of more than three miles in diameter, (2) they be capable of being damaged effectively by a blast, and (3) they are unlikely to be attacked by next August. Dr. Stearns had a list of five targets which the Air Force would be willing to reserve for our use unless unforeseen circumstances arise.

Yes, that's right the targets were of such military value that the air force was reserving them so they could see the effects on an undamaged target.

At that stage of the war the chances of a Japanese civilian getting transport and permission to leave and going somewhere where they could get food and shelter wasn't great. Especially when most other cities had been burnt out. And the leaflets were dropped on 35 cities not just the targets, and besides the second bomb was for Kokura but it was cloudy when they got there.