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I have quite a bit of respect for Mark Kern, he's done great work over the years and was obviously a massive, massive influence on WoW.
But, the man has no clue what's he's talking about here and is just looking for attention.
Yeah, Blizzard dropped the ball with the Diablo announcement, but let's look at what Blizzard announced which people loved at the exact same event.
World of Warcraft
Overwatch
Warcraft III: Reforged
The common theme here, which Mark Kern and others ignored, is that all of these games and updates are viewable and largely playable now. Blizzard pretty much only announcements games at Blizzcon when they can actually present aspects of gameplay and a 'final' product to the market.
It's painfully clear that Blizzard was working on more Diablo content, but simply isn't ready to be shown yet.
Id argue he speaks alot of sense, i mean, all blizz announced/revealed this year was games they have already released before..
Warcraft 3 remastered? why not a warcraft 4?
WoW classic part of the standard wow sub was something alot of people predicted, it wouldnt get the numbers being a separate sub.
Diablo mobile, its a mash of the already existing diablo and Crusaders of light.
So the only fresh new thing really is Ashe... a character added to an already existing game.
All in all, nothing new, just repackaging things most have already played to death already.. Who here bothered with Starcraft remastered?
Dont get me wrong, i love blizz. But they are wading into the same waters as EA/Ubisoft etc0 -
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Id argue he speaks alot of sense, i mean, all blizz announced/revealed this year was games they have already released before..
Warcraft 3 remastered? why not a warcraft 4?
WoW classic part of the standard wow sub was something alot of people predicted, it wouldnt get the numbers being a separate sub.
Diablo mobile, its a mash of the already existing diablo and Crusaders of light.
So the only fresh new thing really is Ashe... a character added to an already existing game.
All in all, nothing new, just repackaging things most have already played to death already.. Who here bothered with Starcraft remastered?
Dont get me wrong, i love blizz. But they are wading into the same waters as EA/Ubisoft etc
Blizzard are notorious for their high standards. They canned a game in development for 5 years cause it wasn't fun. They only announce games when they are ready to be announced, the way it should be done.0 -
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SolvableKnave wrote: »I may be wrong here, as I've never attended a Blizzcon, but don't they usually have seperate stages for each of their games? So this would have been the Diablo stage for Diablo news for Diablo fans, and not just Blizzard fans. Blizzcon is notoriously light / empty when it comes to Diablo, going so far as to not have any dedicated Diablo stage / area most years. So, for Diablo to get it's own billing at Blizzcon, fans where rightly expecting something big, only to be handed what they where. It's an eastern targeted game which should never have been given a main stage reveal to a western audience.
I don’t know to be honest, seems like an awful waste to have different stages
but you are probably right. I get that people were disappointed and upset in the moment of the announcement, but still the reaction is way over the top. Petitions to have the game canned? People saying they will never buy another Blizzard game? I even think that somebody here said they want the industry to crash!
Some times I think this entertainment sector has matured, both the gamers and creators, but reactions like this show we are a long way off from that (and the creators have their moments too of course) and I can kind of understand why some people still view games as something for kids.SolvableKnave wrote: »You'd have to wonder what Project Titan was going to be / looked like if Overwatch is using a fair chunk of it's assets. Probably the only developer with the sack to burn something they've been working on for so long.
Yeah, it would be cool to see some tech videos of it some day. I gained a lot of respect for Blizzard when they canned it, most devs would just release it and try and get whatever money they can get. Not Blizzard, they have pride in their work and want to release fun games. Of course, like you said, they have the cash to afford to do this unlike most companies. I’d imagine Rockstar could probably do the same as well (The Agent comes to mind, but not sure how long that was in development).0 -
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I don’t know to be honest, seems like an awful waste to have different stages but you are probably right. I get that people were disappointed and upset in the moment of the announcement, but still the reaction is way over the top. Petitions to have the game canned? People saying they will never buy another Blizzard game? I even think that somebody here said they want the industry to crash!
Some times I think this entertainment sector has matured, both the gamers and creators, but reactions like this show we are a long way off from that (and the creators have their moments too of course) and I can kind of understand why some people still view games as something for kids.
Yeah, the petitions to have it canned, #Blizzardisdead and all that is a bit pathetic. They completely misjudged the announcement yes. Surely someone somewhere went "Eh, are we really sure we want to announce this?". There is a market for this type of mobile game, it's just not in the western hemisphere.0 -
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Yeah my point is they used a lot from Titan (maps/characters) in Overwatch :rolleyes:
They still canned Titan, it's no longer been madeWhere have their standards dropped? remakes instead of new content..
So doing remakes of beloved classic games means their standards have dropped?and the recent blizzcon and their attitude??? :pac:
Oh, you mean their standards at press conferences have dropped? Fair enough.Keep up!
It's hard when you talk nonsense to be honest. Saying a game that wasn't canned despite the fact Blizzard confirmed it was. But maybe you have an inside scoop and know better than Blizzard :rolleyes:0 -
They still canned Titan, it's no longer been made
So doing remakes of beloved classic games means their standards have dropped?
Oh, you mean their standards at press conferences have dropped? Fair enough.
It's hard when you talk nonsense to be honest. Saying a game that wasn't canned despite the fact Blizzard confirmed it was. But maybe you have an inside scoop and know better than Blizzard :rolleyes:
Doing remakes is a drop of standards, doesnt matter what game it is, if it was the only one they had done, id be "ok fair enough", but its the third one, i bet Diablo 2 remastered is next
You're focusing on a comment i have already elaborated on, Yes Titan was officially scrapped. My point was they didnt can it all completely because they still used ALOT from titan in overwatch. The same developers that worked on Titan made Overwatch. Titan was officially canceled in 2014, 2 years later Overwatch was released, they sure made that quickly didn't they??? 0 -
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They didn't use a lot of Titan in Overwatch though. They re-used some of the pre-production work to define an initial art style and start prototyping heroes and maps. Tracer, who was originally a skin for one of the classes in Titan, was carried over along with an outline for some of her abilities and the Temple of Anubis setting and some artwork were also confirmed as being kept. Once the project was greenlit, however, the art style evolved into it's own thing and that was still after they had to do a substantial tech rewrite to begin to make the project into the game we know as Overwatch today.You're focusing on a comment i have already elaborated on, Yes Titan was officially scrapped. My point was they didnt can it all completely because they still used ALOT from titan in overwatch. The same developers that worked on Titan made Overwatch. Titan was officially canceled in 2014, 2 years later Overwatch was released, they sure made that quickly didn't they???
In terms of the dev team, a small portion of the Titan team was kept on after it was cancelled to work on a couple of concepts and Overwatch was the one they went with. Again, after the project was greenlit they began to ramp up again with both internal staff from other Blizzard teams and externally since the company itself didn't have much of the way of FPS expertise at the time.
Timeline wise, Titan was officially cancelled in 2014 yes but it had been internally cancelled in May the previous year. Overwatch was released three years later.
The majority of the above info was discussed in the development video I linked to you previously in the thread and some more specifics about what exactly was brought over from Titan into Overwatch have been discussed in articles and shown in art dumps since.
Blizzard's Jeff Kaplan traces line from Project Titan to Overwatch
Example of some concept art from Titan0 -
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