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Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

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Bethesda: Doom 64 + new campaign chapter

Me (me bending over for Bethesda): Please be gentle with me.

I went with Steam
Didn't ****ing cop there was an extra campaign chapter on Bethesda
****ing hate Bethesda, so sneaky

Retr0gamer

Deleted User wrote: »

I went with Steam
Didn't ****ing cop there was an extra campaign chapter on Bethesda
****ing hate Bethesda, so sneaky

Pretty sure it's included with the Doom 64 release on all systems??? Well I hope so as I won't be using the Bethesda DRM, don't trust them.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Pretty sure it's included with the Doom 64 release on all systems??? Well I hope so as I won't be using the Bethesda DRM, don't trust them.

Sorry I misread your post

I thought you meant Doom Eternal

Never-mind me

Zero-Cool

Kotaku article on the crunch at Naughty Dog as shoddy construction work led to pipes falling and just missing employees who were there at 9pm and asking "is it with it".

https://kotaku.com/as-naughty-dog-crunches-on-the-last-of-us-ii-developer-1842289962?utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow&utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0lEwMHUpYbmZDGirirpcanJbU84Vg0fz8KaXA-7PClB_DE3OGUf9H29KI&fbclid=IwAR05qNmi0zgw60ApB9QsN0kukcOG4bHEnU92O8CNrYZ4NXt3uCOBlwDYyPI

pixelburp

Was about to post the same thing. No real surprise that Naughty Dog are pulling Crunch again, despite talking big about how they'd try better not to do it. That falling pipe anecdote is scary though. I'm not sure AAA game development even knows HOW to manage its own projects. Can't even countenance still being in work at 9pm though; I'm no lightweight but 8 hours straight working and your body & mind just stops functioning properly. Mistakes creep in, concentration and problem solving goes out the window.

But hey, while there are still starry eyed graduates will to break their back to work at Hot Dev Company, they'll be there to replace the ones who burn out in their late 20s, 30s...

Retr0gamer

I've done it. If you like coding so much that you get engrossed in it you actually enjoy doing and can do it for hours. Coding is addictive. You can feel it's not healthy though and you feel like **** when you stop.

If you are in your twenties trying to build a career and making cool videogames you probably don't mind as you also probably never had a proper normal job. But these companies are exploiting their workers and screwing up their health.

pixelburp

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I've done it. If you like coding so much that you get engrossed in it you actually enjoy doing and can do it for hours. Coding is addictive. You can feel it's not healthy though and you feel like **** when you stop.

If you are in your twenties trying to build a career and making cool videogames you probably don't mind as you also probably never had a proper normal job. But these companies are exploiting their workers and screwing up their health.

The simple solution here is unionisation. The IT industry in general has been averse to unionising for as long as developers have existed, so it's not a problem unique to gaming. As you suggest, there's a "hobbyist" element to the work that simply didn't exist in older generations' careers. No factory worker ever went home to do a little angle grinding after dinner, yet with IT & Development it's not unheard of for coders / artists to just keep going into the long hours of the night. And if it's for a side-project, it's not necessarily a bad thing (I have a couple of code projects I dip in and out of ad-hoc), but yup, companies are exploiting that "always on" mentality that exists in modern industries.

In a related sense, I remember chatting with a manager who was amazed at the concept that when I log off from work, I log off. I don't keep Slack open, don't check my mails. Nothing. This idea that I wasn't reachable at all in the evening seemed astonishing to him.

Retr0gamer

The problem with unions is that Reagan utterly destroyed them and they've very little power in America now and companies can fire you for joining or starting a union with no repercussions. Even the contracts I sign in Ireland say you can't join a union which I think is illegal.

Zero-Cool

Blade Runner Enhanced Edition coming to all platforms, expected release this year.

****ing noice!

https://bloody-disgusting.com/video-games/3608673/blade-runner-enhanced-edition-announced-nightdive-studios/

pixelburp

One of those Classics I never got around to playing, for one reason or another. Will definitely take a gander in high def glory though

Zero-Cool

pixelburp wrote: »

One of those Classics I never got around to playing, for one reason or another. Will definitely take a gander in high def glory though

I have been looking lately hoping it would have an Android release as it was brought to Steam recently, this is even better. Old game but a must play.

Kiith

Fantastic game. Been years since i played it, but absolutely loved it at the time.

Rob2D

This is good news.

gizmo

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Kotaku article on the crunch at Naughty Dog as shoddy construction work led to pipes falling and just missing employees who were there at 9pm and asking "is it with it".

https://kotaku.com/as-naughty-dog-crunches-on-the-last-of-us-ii-developer-1842289962?utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow&utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0lEwMHUpYbmZDGirirpcanJbU84Vg0fz8KaXA-7PClB_DE3OGUf9H29KI&fbclid=IwAR05qNmi0zgw60ApB9QsN0kukcOG4bHEnU92O8CNrYZ4NXt3uCOBlwDYyPI

A little follow up to this...

https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1238199242256052224

Zero-Cool

gizmo wrote: »

A little follow up to this...

https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1238199242256052224

That's a fascinating thread. I see Neil is on damage control.

https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1238496735078625281?s=19

Varik

gizmo wrote: »

A little follow up to this...

https://twitter.com/GameAnim/status/1238199242256052224

gotten sell his book somehow.

pixelburp

Interesting claim made that Naughty Dog had to bulk its animation department out with Film Animators, cos veteran Game Animators knew to run a mile. And film FX shops are plenty sweatshop themselves. Wonder what kind of projections ND have for their games; crunch seems to come from a demand to hit prescribed deadlines, so presumably there's a lot riding on Last of Us 2.

gizmo

Varik wrote: »

gotten sell his book somehow.

The guy's been a Lead Animator and Animation Director at some of the largest studios in the world and was at Naughty Dog for over 5 years. I don't think he needs to trade in rumour and innuendo in order to sell his book dealing with the fundamentals of video game animation.

The industry would be a far better place if more people at his level stepped up and called out ****ty behaviour in the workplace.

pixelburp wrote: »

Interesting claim made that Naughty Dog had to bulk its animation department out with Film Animators, cos veteran Game Animators knew to run a mile. And film FX shops are plenty sweatshop themselves. Wonder what kind of projections ND have for their games; crunch seems to come from a demand to hit prescribed deadlines, so presumably there's a lot riding on Last of Us 2.

There'll be a directive from execs and Marketing that the game must be released within a certain window of the financial year and not too close to any other major releases such that they could take attention or sales away from each other.

ERG89

Zero-Cool wrote: »

That's a fascinating thread. I see Neil is on damage control.

https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1238496735078625281?s=19

That's quite petty tbh. Then again a guy admitting to working on Assassins Creed 3 in his bio is something that surprises me....I enjoyed petting pigs in that game if he did that, thanks.

It's fairly clear in what he is saying

I love naughty dog games and the last of us but if what he said is true then it's a load of ****e from that company

His thread sounds credible

Zero-Cool

PS5 deep dive tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/PlayStationEU/status/1239884921260445696?s=19

J. Marston

Tease HZD2, ya bastards.

Retr0gamer

Rather they teased a sequel to a good game.

CastorTroy

Knack 3?

Retr0gamer

CastorTroy wrote: »

Knack 3?

CatInABox

Zero-Cool wrote: »

PS5 deep dive tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/PlayStationEU/status/1239884921260445696?s=19

Can't wait to see it, between this and the Series X reveal the other day, it really feels like the next gen is becoming real.

Mr Crispy

Jaunty (and friend) to be remastered!

daheadonu

Wow that's a real vlast from the past

pixelburp

Man, Nightdive Studios really have carved out a little niche for themselves; they have obviously run the numbers and realised they can update these creaky 'aul games for buttons vs. the potential profit to be made.

Now if only NOLF licensing could be sorted out. A man can dream.