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Evade · 14-09-2017 1:14pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If they'd have known he was a racist tw@ they might have thought twice.

They didn't seem to have had much of a problem with him until now. My point is if they did send him a key that could be seen as explicit permission for him to use Firewatch make videos.

gizmo · 14-09-2017 1:32pm

Evade wrote: »

They didn't seem to have had much of a problem with him until now. My point is if they did send him a key that could be seen as explicit permission for him to use Firewatch make videos.

Sending a key in itself wouldn't constitute giving explicit permission for anything legally. Allowing him to make and upload videos would be covered by the line in the TOS but the legality of that is covered in the podcast, in short, it's perfectly revocable with the caveat that no action can be taken against him for the time it was live before the revocation.

Evade · 14-09-2017 1:40pm

gizmo wrote: »

Sending a key in itself wouldn't constitute giving explicit permission for anything legally.

Not the key itself but they're usually accompanied by some directions like when they can publish videos etc.

gizmo · 14-09-2017 1:54pm

Evade wrote: »

Not the key itself but they're usually accompanied by some directions like when they can publish videos etc.

Quite possibly but again, they'd hold the same legal weight as the permission given in the TOS.

Evade · 14-09-2017 2:01pm

gizmo wrote: »

Quite possibly but again, they'd hold the same legal weight as the permission given in the TOS.

Youtube's TOS or Campo Santo's? If it's Youtube's he had permission to make the video. If it's Campo Santo's then it was probably a breach of a morality clause or something which wouldn't fall under DMCA.

Retr0gamer · 14-09-2017 2:22pm

As far as I can see it PewDiePie is an utter bellend but has done nothing wrong in regards to using footage from Firewatch. On the other hand Campo Santo are totally in the wrong abusing DMCA takedown. Their reasons might be noble but legally there's no difference between what Campo Santo are doing and what another unscrupulous publisher like what Sega did with all Shining Force videos. Even worse, if Campo Santo somehow win this case it sets a very dangerous precedent that would allow publishers to abuse DMCA takedown with no fear of legal action.

gizmo · 14-09-2017 2:27pm

Evade wrote: »

Youtube's TOS or Campo Santo's? If it's Youtube's he had permission to make the video. If it's Campo Santo's then it was probably a breach of a morality clause or something which wouldn't fall under DMCA.

Campo Santo. They have a bit on their website FAQ which deals with streaming. The legal analysis I posted above stats that this permission is revocable at any point which would allow them to issue the DMCA takedown notice. At this point, the question of whether it's a valid takedown notice will be based on whether the video comes under the umbrella of fair use.

There's definitely a bunch of interesting points of debate here but ultimately it's a legal issue so the best source of information is going to come from folk with either the necessary training or experience in the area.

Speaking of which, Leonard J. French is the only lawyer I've come across who feels differently about the TOS issue. He's posted a video about the affair here.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As far as I can see it PewDiePie is an utter bellend but has done nothing wrong in regards to using footage from Firewatch. On the other hand Campo Santo are totally in the wrong abusing DMCA takedown. Their reasons might be noble but legally there's no difference between what Campo Santo are doing and what another unscrupulous publisher like what Sega did with all Shining Force videos. Even worse, if Campo Santo somehow win this case it sets a very dangerous precedent that would allow publishers to abuse DMCA takedown with no fear of legal action.

The question here is whether a full length Let's Play with minimal substantive commentary or criticism meets the criteria for Fair Use. The answers from most of the folk described seem to gravitate between it's a legal grey area that hasn't been tested in courts yet (and which some higher profile Youtubers are afraid to see happen) to it's just doesn't and therefore constitutes copyright breach.

Skerries · 15-09-2017 7:55am

The next Humble Bundle deal leaked

PYWY tier
RIVE: Wreck, Hack, Die, Retry!
Neon Chrome
Dungeon Souls
BTA tier
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor GOTY
Ultimate Chicken Horse
Oxenfree
$10 tier
Death Road to Canada
Beat Cop
$80 tier
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War
More to come next week!

Varik · 15-09-2017 1:14pm

How often have then done that were the top tier is a new/unreleased game.

Varik · 15-09-2017 1:16pm

gizmo wrote: »

The question here is whether a full length Let's Play with minimal substantive commentary or criticism meets the criteria for Fair Use. The answers from most of the folk described seem to gravitate between it's a legal grey area that hasn't been tested in courts yet (and which some higher profile Youtubers are afraid to see happen) to it's just doesn't and therefore constitutes copyright breach.

In your opinion, millions didn't show up to watch a game from a small dev they showed up for him.

Dyr · 15-09-2017 1:22pm

I used to kinda like this guys videos on metal bands but his rants about games journalism are gold

"I've seen the outright indifferent go from avowed diffidence to milton friedman with a joystick"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9yD_DOEc4s

Doctor Nick · 17-09-2017 3:59pm

Resident Evil Revelations 1 is after getting a PS4 /X Box One remaster if anyone is interested. Not a bad price either at €20 the few places I checked. Also available in Gamestop with their usual tax applied for €25 so avoid there if looking for it. I've never played the original release but have heard good things about it so looking forward to trying.

Didn't want to resurrect a 4 year old thread nor does it warrant a thread of its own so thought this would be the best place to post it.

Skerries · 26-09-2017 7:48am

Steam remove Zonitron Production developers from their list which include 173 titles for spamming games

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/72foef/changes_in_steam_api_50_removed_games_no_longer/?st=j818bxbs&sh=be5445e5

Retr0gamer · 27-09-2017 8:32am

Atlus filed a DMCA against PS3 emulator RPCS3's patreon. I love Atlus but they are totally in the wrong here.

Kiith · 27-09-2017 10:27am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Atlus filed a DMCA against PS3 emulator RPCS3's patreon. I love Atlus but they are totally in the wrong here.

Hopefully Sega forces them to release P5 on the PC. There's obviously interest in it, and Sega have been good with their PC releases recently.

Retr0gamer · 27-09-2017 10:35am

Pretty sure it's coming. They've been hinting at it and even have in the press release regarding this.

If it comes to pc it will be the third time I own the game!

ERG89 · 27-09-2017 10:40am

Retr0gamer wrote:

Atlus filed a DMCA against PS3 emulator RPCS3's patreon. I love Atlus but they are totally in the wrong here.

Probably not a good idea to try earn money by using other people's assets.

Retr0gamer · 27-09-2017 10:54am

ERG89 wrote: »

Retr0gamer wrote:

Atlus filed a DMCA against PS3 emulator RPCS3's patreon. I love Atlus but they are totally in the wrong here.

Probably not a good idea to try earn money by using other people's assets.

Emulators if they use original code are totally legal. However it dies seem they were mentioning Personal 5 on the page and I presume some P5 art work so fair enough there.

Kiith · 27-09-2017 11:06am

The page is still up, as Patreon have said there's nothing wrong with the project itself, just that they should remove any mention of Persona 5. The sudden interest in shutting it down would certainly point to an imminent PC release

/optimism

gizmo · 27-09-2017 2:16pm

More details on the Atlus DMCA here.

"We understand many Persona fans would love to see a PC version"

Of particular interest...

"We understand that many Persona fans would love to see a PC version. And while we don't have anything to announce today, we are listening! For now, the best way to experience Persona 5 is on PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 3."

FAILSAFE 00 · 29-09-2017 8:46pm

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/913780642445488129

Zero-Cool · 29-09-2017 8:51pm

https://twitter.com/KazHiraiCEO/status/913824967611097089

J Mysterio · 30-09-2017 1:30am

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/913780642445488129

What a pile of stinking sh1t. $3000 in a year!!! Lolol. Benefits are total crap One of the worst promotions I have ever seen.

heebusjeebus · 30-09-2017 8:29am

What's the issue? I spend well over 3,000 on my CC a year.

30-09-2017 8:37am

heebusjeebus wrote: »

What's the issue? I spend well over 3,000 on my CC a year.

Really not sure how you think this a good idea :P

Stone Deaf 4evr · 30-09-2017 10:59am

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/913780642445488129

Hmm, they can't keep psn secure so they want me to trust them with being my credit card provider?
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/250x250/22945743/ill-stop-you-there-im-out.jpg

RasTa · 30-09-2017 11:22am

I never played Super Metroid back in the day, playing on the snes mini last night. How did people figure out how to use the morphing ball?

RobertFoster · 30-09-2017 12:06pm

RasTa wrote: »

I never played Super Metroid back in the day, playing on the snes mini last night. How did people figure out how to use the morphing ball?

Back in the olden days they often included such information in things called manuals :pac:

http://metroid.retropixel.net/gallery.php?gallery_id=m3_manual&image_id=5

Zero-Cool · 30-09-2017 12:38pm

RasTa wrote: »

I never played Super Metroid back in the day, playing on the snes mini last night. How did people figure out how to use the morphing ball?

The Mini SNES worth it?

Wonda-Boy · 30-09-2017 12:51pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

The Mini SNES worth it?

Would rather a Switch TBH.

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