speedball or reflex bag?

tinner777

lads,

quick question, would like to improve my coordination and speed, would I be better getting a speedball or a reflex bag? Unfortunately I can't site a floor to ceiling bag. Any advice gladly received.

Thanks

also, if i put up a speedball platform could i hang a floor to ceiling bag from it?

tryingmybestt

definitely get a floor to ceiling ball.....it's great for improving reflexes and also upper body movement...

the speedbag is more about rhythmn and doesn't do much for reflexes or movement

tinner777

thanks for that, could i hang it from a speedball platform? I can't go drilling holes in the ceiling, i'd get away with the wall

tryingmybestt

i'm not sure but i think if you could hang it from the speedball the floor/ceiling ball might be too low...

the floor/ceiling ball should be about chest height so the top part would probably need to be fixed higher than the level that the speedball would be at

maybe call into mick dowling's shop and ask or have a look....if your ceiling or wall is just plasterboard it won't hold either....you will need very strong fixings into concrete or block

cowzerp

Floor to ceiling balls are Shiite! If your in a club do pads and if not just get a bag and focus on punching as fast as you can, with practise speed will build up.

tinner777

i've a heavy bag which i'm really happy with just looking to add another thing to my routine

walshb

I always loved using them floor to ceiling bags, just so I am right here, I am assuming they are the ones that attach to the ceiling with a cable, half way down is the 'bag/ball,' and then that is attached to the floor with a cable. I loved them. Now, aren't reflex bags the ones that do not attach to the ceiling?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Everlast-Freestanding-Advanced-Reflex-Bag/10284815

OP, the image below is the one I assume you mean for speedball?

http://www.google.ie/imgres?q=speed+ball+boxing&hl=en&biw=819&bih=490&tbm=isch&tbnid=lsNIZuE7H38h4M:&imgrefurl=http://www.acasports.co.uk/product_info.php%3Fcpath%3D98_99%26products_id%3D5131&docid=cjrnIzTspsUGMM&imgurl=http://www.acasports.co.uk/images/products/full/lonsdale_boxin_speed_ball_platform.jpg&w=300&h=300&ei=9FgTT67lKITChAf1s_CKAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=97&vpy=143&dur=2009&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=81&ty=195&sig=113593185564594138994&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=142&start=0&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

Me personally, and for you to add to your equipment, for speed, reflexes and hand to eye coordination, I would go with floor to ceiling bag

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Everlast-Everhide-Double-End-Striking-Bag/14292485

Anyway, I would agree somewhat with cowzerp, can't beat good old pads and bags.

tryingmybestt

cowzerp wrote: »

Floor to ceiling balls are Shiite! If your in a club do pads and if not just get a bag and focus on punching as fast as you can, with practise speed will build up.

floor/ceiling bags are one of the best training routines for reflexes. it is also excellent for learning to slip punches with good head movement, you slip and dodge the bag as it comes back at you

the problem is many ppl don't know how to use proper technique but most of the best boxers include them in their daily workout

punching a heavybag will do nothing for reflexes

tryingmybestt

p.s. join a club and save your money;)

tinner777

thanks lads

cowzerp

tryingmybestt wrote: »

floor/ceiling bags are one of the best training routines for reflexes. it is also excellent for learning to slip punches with good head movement, you slip and dodge the bag as it comes back at you

the problem is many ppl don't know how to use proper technique but most of the best boxers include them in their daily workout

punching a heavybag will do nothing for reflexes

And if your not in a boxing club you can be sure you don't know how to use 1, real reflexes for boxing wont be achieved without pads and sparring, speed can be developed on a bag, it all depends if you aim to punch your fastest though because if not you won't get faster.

tinner777

to be honest lads i've been using the heavy bag to lose weight and i've been stunned by the results. I was thinking a might add something else in as well. Just for a bit of variety. Now i can't go drilling holes in the ceiling but i could put up a platform or a bracket.

walshb

tinner777 wrote: »

to be honest lads i've been using the heavy bag to lose weight and i've been stunned by the results. I was thinking a might add something else in as well. Just for a bit of variety. Now i can't go drilling holes in the ceiling but i could put up a platform or a bracket.

That I would encourage, it can't hurt to try, and it's not as if it will do you harm.

tryingmybestt

cowzerp wrote: »

And if your not in a boxing club you can be sure you don't know how to use 1, real reflexes for boxing wont be achieved without pads and sparring, speed can be developed on a bag, it all depends if you aim to punch your fastest though because if not you won't get faster.

he could easily learn to use it if he watches a couple of youtube videos.....only way to learn is to practice

sparring is gd for reflexes and the floor/ceiling bag is next.....bags do nothing for reflexes.......reactive speed is different to just speed without reacting

sounds like just trying to get fit so why not get one to make it more interesting, doesn't matter if technique isnt spot on once he's working hard

colly10

If you wan a bit of variety, id get a very good rope and learn to skip properly. Once you learn it's a very enjoyable excersise, especially with a bit of music.
I despise running but love skipping, great to pick up a rope and mess about for a while.

A floor to ceiling ball is a good tool for boxing but can be frustrating as hell (although watching Roy Jones use one on youtube makes it look like a 2 year old would manage it), even for someone boxing a while, i'd even advise a speedball faster, although i'm not mad on them as a boxing tool, I think it can be picked up faster

Wild_Dogger

get yourself a double end bag bruv ............ great for fine tuning your timing and a decent light workout .

A lot of people dont like them cause they cant get the hang of it . Terribly difficult to begin with, but you'll get there .

One thing most people don't take into account with the SPEEDBAG is how loud the noise is . The noise will go right through the house and possibly even your neighbour's house too !

Theres a few ways to tone the noise down though, so dont lert that put u off.

Theres a guy called Sugar ....... eh ??.....what's his name?
Oh yeah, Sugar Shane Mosley ...... working a double ended bag in the second half of this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IPb_sp4A1s&list=UU5ou4R7bLbjD85Tiv6O-eOw&index=13&feature=plcp

Bosch !

colly10

Love this one, watch Jones have a go at 6.08, some speed -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRykf-5Zo8