Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

Fuzzy_Dunlop

SDTimeout wrote: »

I don't see why we shouldn't. Wenger didn't decide right after the goal to substitute him. When we saw Ox's name on the starting XI. It wouldn't have been too far to say he's not going to get a full game. Journalists were tweeting that Arshavin was warming up too. It's not like Wenger saw something positive and then decided he didn't want to continue it.

My main gripe is why for Arshavin. I would have rathered see Yossi come on than Arshavin.

Yeah Yossi should have come on.

One good thing is that Ox started in the first place, hopefully we'll be seeing plenty more from him now.

Noo

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

hes 30 odd? they wont need to buy him off us his contract is running down. Many a team in europe would give there left testicle to have a player of Van Persies calibre in there team.

I was thinking more like the summer transfer window, he'll be 29, so close enough to 30, i was a year out. Anyways the only teams could afford him would probably be city and barca, neither of which need him, and he wouldn't go to city, and i can't see barca going for another saga with arsenal. I don't really know reals financial situation or need for him, that being maybe the only other option.

keano_afc

I'm usually very very annoyed after getting beaten by that shower but I've such a feeling of meh at the moment. Even at 1-1 I wasnt expecting much so to see us get beat is not in the least bit surprising.

4th place is a world away, top 3 will probably stay as it is and Chelsea are the least crap out of us, them and Pool so they'll probably nick 4th. And to be honest, our football is dire and predictable and we dont really deserve to be 4th. Maybe a season of Europa League will waken the board from their slumber and see some investment in the team.

Wont hold my breath though. I have no faith in Wenger anymore, he's lost this team and when he still says we're missing players like Diaby all you can do is laugh. He's blindingly loyal to the dross in the team like Walcott and Arshavin and is placing our entire season on the hope that van Persie will stay fit. Getting close to endgame I feel.

Marty McFly

Noo wrote: »

I was thinking more like the summer transfer window, he'll be 29, so close enough to 30, i was a year out. Anyways the only teams could afford him would probably be city and barca, neither of which need him, and he wouldn't go to city, and i can't see barca going for another saga with arsenal. I don't really know reals financial situation or need for him, that being maybe the only other option.

Ah right cool I thought you were saying he 30 odd now , yeh i dont think hed move to another Enlglish club at least id hope not. But I can se a lot of teams in Spain, Italy, or even Bayern in Germany being very interested in him then lets not forget P.S.G in France now aswell.

amacachi

SDTimeout wrote: »

Were you complaining when you saw Verm's name on the team sheet ?

I was being very sarcastic.

Noo

But after the amount they got for cesc i can't see them making that mistake again and will be asking for mega bucks for rvp. Don't get me wrong he's bleeding fantastic and on the form of his life but in the long run i can't any of those teams willing to risk that amount of cash on him in the long run.

ImpossibleDuck

keano_afc wrote: »

I'm usually very very annoyed after getting beaten by that shower but I've such a feeling of meh at the moment. Even at 1-1 I wasnt expecting much so to see us get beat is not in the least bit surprising.
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Mhm good attitude to have. When we pulled the game level after a great spell and we looked more dangerous than we have in the last 3 games you didn't even raise an eyebrow? Questionable.

keano_afc

ImpossibleDuck wrote: »

Mhm good attitude to have. When we pulled the game level after a great spell and we looked more dangerous than we have in the last 3 games you didn't even raise an eyebrow? Questionable.

Why should I? Defeat was almost inevitable. We've taken the lead in the last 2 games and ended up getting beat. We've imploded so often at this stage I almost expect it now. Its just how this team does things. No desire, an an incredible ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. We're just very very ordinary at the moment.

amiable

Eden Hazard was supposedly at the Emirates today as a guest of Gervinho

amiable

13Szczesny13 Wojciech Szczesny
Its just about time for me to grow up, delete twitter and focus on football! Thanks for all the support I have received here

Marty McFly

Well today just keeps getting better for us Arsenal fans, We loose to United, Sczeszny with his whole time to grow up and delete twitter have a funny feeling that has something to do with the rape comments a week or so back..

Then these stats appear up on twitter

3 - Ricardo Álvarez has assisted three of Diego Milito's last five Serie A goals. Duo

A player we were close to signing.

Then this

The media in Germany and Russia report that the deal for Lucas Podolski has been agreed between FC Koln and Lokomotiv Moscow. #LFC #AFC

Brendan97

we badly need a left back Verm isn't a left back and this gets shown up in big games, he needs to be in the centre

wandatowell

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Then this

The media in Germany and Russia report that the deal for Lucas Podolski has been agreed between FC Koln and Lokomotiv Moscow. #LFC #AFC

Missing out on Podolski Isn't anything us gunners should be worried about, ya he would improve our options be hardly a world class talent we need.

Maybe be im wrong but he always striked me as just an average player who do well infront of the camera's in a few German international games

wandatowell

Brendan97 wrote: »

we badly need a left back Verm isn't a left back and this gets shown up in big games, he needs to be in the centre

Then we would have 3 first choice left full backs at the club. the maths dont work out

Verm is doing a good job for us as a make shift left back

Marty McFly

wandatowell wrote: »

Missing out on Podolski Isn't anything us gunners should be worried about, ya he would improve our options be hardly a world class talent we need.

Maybe be im wrong but he always striked me as just an average player who do well infront of the camera's in a few German international games

Im not so sure about that, in his international career hes always been a player i liked, also his club career in has been good bar his move to Bayern which didnt really work out well for him, this season for Koln hes been on fire hed be a great backup for Van Persie and can also play on the left side aswell.

He would improve the team and our options, hes a player i would really liked to see in an Arsenal shirt. Plus were never going to sign any world class players or even those of potential like Hazard or Gotze I think its something as Arsenal fans we have to be realistic with this current board and manager well never make the signing that will make people it up and go wow they mean business.

dixiefly

Noo wrote: »

I was thinking more like the summer transfer window, he'll be 29, so close enough to 30, i was a year out. Anyways the only teams could afford him would probably be city and barca, neither of which need him, and he wouldn't go to city, and i can't see barca going for another saga with arsenal. I don't really know reals financial situation or need for him, that being maybe the only other option.

What about United going for him. It wont have gone unnoticed at Old T that his time at the Emirates could be coming to an end.

TheSpecialOne

Lost all faith in Wenger when he took off Oxo(Leaving Walcott on) and bringing on Arshavin...Think we need huge changes to an average team as without RVP we would be 15th not 5th. As for Wenger surely he has to be under some pressure we have been in decline and even Spurs will finish ahead of us now!

MagicMarker

I'd highly doubt Utd would be in for RVP, he's too old and he'd cost too much.

Maybe Spurs? That would be a great move for him imo, couldn't see ya's selling him to them though, when's his contract up?

Marty McFly

dixiefly wrote: »

What about United going for him. It wont have gone unnoticed at Old T that his time at the Emirates could be coming to an end.

Shush you , Van Persie would never do that. He knows thats a line you dont cross not unless your a **** player like Silvestre and no one gives a damn ha.

Marty McFly

MagicMarker wrote: »

I'd highly doubt Utd would be in for RVP, he's too old and he'd cost too much.

Maybe Spurs? That would be a great move for him imo, couldn't see ya's selling him to them though, when's his contract up?

Spurs have you been smoking crack? never ever would Arsenal sell to him to them he has 18 months left on his contract.

gnfnrhead

wandatowell wrote: »

Missing out on Podolski Isn't anything us gunners should be worried about, ya he would improve our options be hardly a world class talent we need.

Maybe be im wrong but he always striked me as just an average player who do well infront of the camera's in a few German international games

Out of interest, who should we be going for? No Football Manager signings either, realistic ones.

amiable

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Out of interest, who should we be going for? No Football Manager signings either, realistic ones.

Podolski is nowhere near as good as RVP in my honest opinion.

Podolski is actually a little bit over rated IMO.

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

Podolski is nowhere near as good as RVP in my honest opinion.

Podolski is actually a little bit over rated IMO.

Yeh hes not as good as RVP but do you really think were going to sign someone who is as good to sit on the bench? Who would you like us to sign?

Podolski over rated your wrong imo

amiable

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Yeh hes not as good as RVP but do you really think were going to sign someone who is as good to sit on the bench? Who would you like us to sign?

Podolski over rated your wrong imo

Have you watched him much?

He's a very good player but I think Arsenal need players in other areas.

Why sign players for the bench when the first team needs attention?

tayto lover

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Out of interest, who should we be going for? No Football Manager signings either, realistic ones.

Does it matter ? Our crowd won't buy until we are struggling to put out any kind of team.
With Arsenal's Board its not about who is on the field, its more about how much money do we have in the bank.

gnfnrhead

amiable wrote: »

Podolski is nowhere near as good as RVP in my honest opinion.

Podolski is actually a little bit over rated IMO.

We play one striker. And, he's better than Chamakh, Park, Bendtner, Walcott and anyone else we have as a back up/potential partner for RVP.

I'll ask you also, realistically, who should we sign instead?

gnfnrhead

tayto lover wrote: »

Does it matter ? Our crowd won't buy until we are struggling to put out any kind of team.
With Arsenal's Board its not about who is on the field, its more about how much money do we have in the bank.

It's all in theroy Im talking. Not in practice. Aparently someone like Podolski isnt good enough, Im asking what kind of signing we should be making instead, a realistic one if possible.

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

Have you watched him much?

He's a very good player but I think Arsenal need players in other areas.

Why sign players for the bench when the first team needs attention?

Im not going to lie and say i watch him every week but what i have seen of him play for koln id take him in a second.

well he could possibly play in the first eleven on the left, plus god forbid Van Persie gets injured at the momment we would be screwed no one to score us goals at all.

This is why I like the of Podolski he could play left and if Van Persie were to get injured he could slot in up front.

Who would you like us to sign? Not being smart just curious as to who you would think would be a better fit, the likes of Hazard is never going to happen sadly.

amiable

gnfnrhead wrote: »

We play one striker. And, he's better than Chamakh, Park, Bendtner, Walcott and anyone else we have as a back up/potential partner for RVP.

I'll ask you also, realistically, who should we sign instead?

Well Arsenal need a Left back before a substitute striker.
And if Podolski is really that good do you think he'll sign to sit on the bench?

Don't get me wrong Podolski is a very good player IMO but he's found his level at the moment.

Arsenal need more steel in midfield and if I was recruiting at Arsenal i'd look to someone like Yann M'Vila.
Very strong player but also very good on the ball.
He will be playing for a top club next season IMO.

amiable

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It's all in theroy Im talking. Not in practice. Aparently someone like Podolski isnt good enough, Im asking what kind of signing we should be making instead, a realistic one if possible.

I didn't say he wasn't good enough for Arsenal.
He definitely is but he's not what Arsenal need at the minute.

He's not as good as RVP so IMO Arsenal need to look at other positions first.

amiable

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Im not going to lie and say i watch him every week but what i have seen of him play for koln id take him in a second.

well he could possibly play in the first eleven on the left, plus god forbid Van Persie gets injured at the momment we would be screwed no one to score us goals at all.

This is why I like the of Podolski he could play left and if Van Persie were to get injured he could slot in up front.

Who would you like us to sign? Not being smart just curious as to who you would think would be a better fit, the likes of Hazard is never going to happen sadly.

I agree on Hazard. Arsenal needed to get him before the hype started over him.
He would be ideal though but it's not going to happen.

I've named M'Vila above and previously I've named Cissokho for left back.
Wenger tried to get him onloan but Lyon only wanted to sell.

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

Well Arsenal need a Left back before a substitute striker.
And if Podolski is really that good do you think he'll sign to sit on the bench?

Don't get me wrong Podolski is a very good player IMO but he's found his level at the moment.

Arsenal need more steel in midfield and if I was recruiting at Arsenal i'd look to someone like Yann M'Vila.
Very strong player but also very good on the ball.
He will be playing for a top club next season IMO.

Left back not going to happen unless we sign someone on loan not saying its right but the way Wenger and the board will view it is that wed then have 3 first team left back in the team.

Midfield is the last area we need to strenghten to be honest, were already crowded in that area and its probably the one area of the pitch im happy with our options when we have a fully fit squad.

Rosicky, Arteta, Benayoun, Wilshire, Coquelin, Ramsey, Frimpong and Song were sorted there.

Were we really need to strenghten is the wings its our worst position when we have a full strength eleven. Walcott and Arsahvin are two player im really growing to hate.

amiable

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Left back not going to happen unless we sign someone on loan not saying its right but the way Wenger and the board will view it is that wed then have 3 first team left back in the team.

Midfield is the last area we need to strenghten to be honest, were already crowded in that area and its probably the one area of the pitch im happy with our options when we have a fully fit squad.

Rosicky, Arteta, Benayoun, Wilshire, Coquelin, Ramsey, Frimpong and Song were sorted there.

Were we really need to strenghten is the wings its our worst position when we have a full strength eleven. Walcott and Arsahvin are two player im really growing to hate.

And not one of those midfielders is as good as M'Vila.
Games are won and lost in midfield and Arsenal need someone to dictate a game from there.
You asked me who Arsenal should sign and I gave answers.
Yet all some of yee can offer is arsenal pay big money for Podolski as a sub.

Left back is crucial for Arsenal to strengthen in.
Cissokho is miles better than Santos when he does return anyway

You mention the wings but Chamberlain was excellent there today and Podolski is best up front IMO

gnfnrhead

amiable wrote: »

Well Arsenal need a Left back before a substitute striker.
And if Podolski is really that good do you think he'll sign to sit on the bench?

Don't get me wrong Podolski is a very good player IMO but he's found his level at the moment.

Arsenal need more steel in midfield and if I was recruiting at Arsenal i'd look to someone like Yann M'Vila.
Very strong player but also very good on the ball.
He will be playing for a top club next season IMO.

If, God forbid, van Persie gets injured we'll be relying on Chamakh and Park for the goals. Henry too, but he's not here for long. Also, as has been said, when van Persie is playing, Podolski can play on the left which dumps Arshavin out of the team. Another bonus.

We have at least four players who can play at Left Back to at least a reasonible standard. We're overloaded in midfield right now. A striker is what we need at this point in time. No point in signing a player for a position just for the hell of it. Someone who knows what the goal looks like should be our top priority.

In the summer, I'd have no problem signing someone like Cissokho and sending Gibbs out on loan to prove his fitness for a season. By that point, if he does so, Santos will be pushing 30 which is usually near the end of your Arsenal career. Santos could also play up higher on the left if absolutly needed.

Someone like M'Vila I dont think would be interested in us at this stage. It would have to be a very convincing offer as he likely knows he is going to be in demand in the near future.

amiable wrote: »

I didn't say he wasn't good enough for Arsenal.
He definitely is but he's not what Arsenal need at the minute.

He's not as good as RVP so IMO Arsenal need to look at other positions first.

That wasnt in reference to you, that was to another post that said he was only average and not needed at Arsenal.

van Persie is one of the best strikers in the world. Not many are as good as him, and even less that we would have a shot at getting, hence the question of who should we be looking to sign (as a striker) instead of Podolski?

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

And not one of those midfielders is as good as M'Vila.
Games are won and lost in midfield and Arsenal need someone to dictate a game from there.
You asked me who Arsenal should sign and I gave answers.
Yet all some of yee can offer is arsenal pay big money for Podolski as a sub.

Left back is crucial for Arsenal to strengthen in.
Cissokho is miles better than Santos when he does return anyway

I think well just have to agree to disagree on the midfield front I believe we have a strong central midfield and the wings should be our priority.

Cissokho I havent seen much of but have heard great things but its not going to happen, I also thought Santos was doing well up until he got injured weve missed his attacking flare since his injury and his defending was improving.

amiable

That's the thing. Arsenal have a quite a few players that can play positions at a decent level.

Arsenal need an enforcer in the middle like M'Vila or Moussa Sissoko.

I can't see why these players wouldn't play for Arsenal if Arsenal paid the money.
Wenger is a big attraction in france still and I could see him developing them in to world beaters.

amiable

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

I think well just have to agree to disagree on the midfield front I believe we have a strong central midfield and the wings should be our priority.

Cissokho I havent seen much of but have heard great things but its not going to happen, I also thought Santos was doing well up until he got injured weve missed his attacking flare since his injury and his defending was improving.

Who in the Arsenal midfield is as good as M'Vila?

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

Who in the Arsenal midfield is as good as M'Vila?

Wilshire hes better than him.

amiable

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Wilshire hes better than him.

Wilshire is top notch but a different type of midfielder.

All good ball playing midfielders like Wilshire need an enforcer next to them to get the absolute best out of them.

I love watching Wilshire. He has the world at his feet.

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

Wilshire is top notch but a different type of midfielder.

All good ball playing midfielders like Wilshire need an enforcer next to them to get the absolute best out of them.

I love watching Wilshire. He has the world at his feet.

Well at least we can agree on that much , I do honestly belive Wilshire has an amazing career ahead of him and will be a world beater i just hope it happens at Arsenal.

I do hear what your saying and I know our enforcers Song can great at times he either brilliant or terrible, the last few games its sadly been terrible.

Coquelin and Frimpong have bucketloads of potential but still really untested and inexperienced at the top level.

So I do agree with you to a certain extent but for me back up for Van Persie/winger really needs to be our number one target. I dont want Arshavin or Walcott anywhere near the team at all and if Van Persie gets injured were gone really.

amiable

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Well at least we can agree on that much , I do honestly belive Wilshire has an amazing career ahead of him and will be a world beater i just hope it happens at Arsenal.

I do hear what your saying and I know our enforcers Song can great at times he either brilliant or terrible, the last few games its sadly been terrible.

Coquelin and Frimpong have bucketloads of potential but still really untested and inexperienced at the top level.

So I do agree with you to a certain extent but for me back up for Van Persie/winger really needs to be our number one target. I dont want Arshavin or Walcott anywhere near the team at all and if Van Persie gets injured were gone really.

So signing a sub would help arsenal win the league from the position they are in now?

While I'm on it I think Arsenal need a centreback to play along side Vermaelen.
Vermaelen is a beast of a player and he needs the defence built around him.
Mertesacker isn't good enough IMO.

Marty McFly

The one bright note today, really hope from now on we see more and more of the Ox he could really get Arsenal firing.

Marty McFly

amiable wrote: »

So signing a sub would help arsenal win the league from the position they are in now?

While I'm on it I think Arsenal need a centreback to play along side Vermaelen.
Vermaelen is a beast of a player and he needs the defence built around him.
Mertesacker isn't good enough IMO.

Well were not going to win the league.

Nope I said Podolski because as has been pointed out he could play on the left then if Van Persie got injured he could move into the central role.

A centreback Kos has been outstanding this year.

Gringo180

What has happened to The Arsenal of old, a team of leaders who bust there guts and put everything on the line for the jersey, The Arsenal i grew to love for there battling qualities and never say die attitude, players like Adams, Bould, Winterburn, Keown, Parlour, Grimandi, Platt, Edu, Gilberto, Campbell, Vieira, Petit, who have been replaced by players who could not lace there boots, its sickening to watch how bad weve become, and not only how bad but how easy we roll over, were gutless and its eveything that this Great club is not known for. Massive changes are needed

Squall19

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

The one bright note today, really hope from now on we see more and more of the Ox he could really get Arsenal firing.

He's what I thought Theo was to become, looks a class act.Ox is showing him up.

Strong, fast, great feet, list goes on and on.

Anyone notice how hard he goes in the tackle:eek:

Ox he made a right fool of Evra on the right , he played left and bossed Rafael.

Theo has been here what 6 years.

Played and trained with the likes of Thierry Henry, Alex Hleb, Samir Nasri, Tomas Rosicky, and Cesc Fabregas, yet is still hasn't got an ounce of close control, passing ability, nor vision?

Truly abysmal player.

Giving my support to OX now.

tayto lover

Gringo180 wrote: »

What has happened to The Arsenal of old, a team of leaders who bust there guts and put everything on the line for the jersey, The Arsenal i grew to love for there battling qualities and never say die attitude, players like Adams, Bould, Winterburn, Keown, Parlour, Grimandi, Platt, Edu, Gilberto, Campbell, Vieira, Petit, who have been replaced by players who could not lace there boots, its sickening to watch how bad weve become, and not only how bad but how easy we roll over, were gutless and its eveything that this Great club is not known for. Massive changes are needed

Have been saying that for years. When we need men we get mice. However the fans are now fed up of Wenger's blindness and started showing it today. Many not going to renew season tickets next season I am hearing. Very expensive for watching dross.

EdenHazard

that substitution defines arsene wenger in 2012.

Marty McFly

Wellington Silva meant to have a had great debut for Alcoyano, I know its not exactly top level but heres hoping hes another player who can make the step up.

Sútalún

Safe to say that was another depressing day. Most depressing of all was Van Persie's reaction to Ox going off, he really showed what all Arsenal fans were feeling.. Utter dismay at Wenger's decision. I love Wenger, and all he has done for the club and it would be tearing at my heart strings to will him to go. But at this stage I think we all know something has to change. It's a combination of changes at coaching, boardroom and playing staff level. But the right combination of changes that will result in a proper Arsenal team is anyone's guess.

These talks of players that aren't good enough, players we should buy etc.. are pointless. We need a team again. I mean players like Shesney, Jack, Frimpong, Van Persie to a certain extent are the players we need, players that have grown up with the club, and appreciate their opportunity when it's presented to them. If not them, then players like Verm, Koscielny, Sagna.. players that clearly show pride and commitment to the jersey they're wearing.

A combination of these players is what's required.. Add to them a manager who can motivate the team, and have a strong sense of tactical awareness. But there's no magic formula, unfortunately at the moment I think it's a waiting game to see if things can get any worse and force someones hand, be it Wenger's or the boards.

Royale with Cheese

I used to live in Cologne, watched Podolski a lot before he mad his breakthrough (he was well known within Germany, just not elsewhere until the World Cup in 2006).

He may be a little overrated. I haven't watched him much over the past few years but he was very hyped back in 2005 and he always struck me as a good, but not great player. Definitely get him if he's available for the right price but don't break the bank for him and don't expect him to replace van Persie.

That said I don't think anyone should replace van Persie. What the team needs is for the wide forwards to contribute some more fúcking goals. If Podolski was to play on the left and get 15 goals a season then it would be perfect.