In spite of these austere time lets give the Queen a new yacht

partyatmygaff

KeithAFC wrote: »

No. William will be our next king. So there would be no point in paying you to be our king.

You can keep avoiding the point for as long as you like. I'm not the one funding a family to have lavish parties and call me a commoner for the privilege.

getz wrote: »

30% of the words population say different and thats just those within the commonwealth,

You're assuming that every single person in every single commonwealth country is a Royalist. A bit of a ridiculous assumption, no?

Anyway, if 30% of the world were actually Royalists that still wouldn't make their position any more sensible.

KeithAFC

ejmaztec wrote: »

Wouldn't it be ironic for the next King Billy to witness the formation of a united Ireland?




:pac:

I don't think King Billy would accept that.

neil_hosey

I was talking to a group of english lads in Belgium last year. They told me how they hated the royal family and everything they stood for. They said the main fanboys of the royal family were wacko loyalists in NI, Scotland, and richer parts in southern England. Wasnt suprised really..

KeithAFC

You can keep avoiding the point for as long as you like. I'm not the one funding a family to have lavish parties and call me a commoner for the privilege.

But again, it doesn't matter does it? It doesn't effect you, so why do you care so much?

getz

neil_hosey wrote: »

I was talking to a group of english lads in Belgium last year. They told me how they hated the royal family and everything they stood for. They said the main fanboys of the royal family were wacko loyalists in NI, Scotland, and richer parts in southern England. Wasnt suprised really..

dont forget those royalists fans who live in the republic,one and a half million of them watching the wedding on TV and all those who lined the streets to welcome the queen,

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't think King Billy would accept that.

On this occasion, the first one wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance trying to stop it, and the next one probably wouldn't care.:P

partyatmygaff

getz wrote: »

dont forget those royalists fans who live in the republic,one and a half million of them watching the wedding on TV and all those who lined the streets to welcome the queen,

That's as sensible as your "30% of the World support the Royal family" post. Complete and utter nonsense.

Stiffler2

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No she doesn't.

pretty sure the aul hag does have one man.
Think it's called Queen Elizabeth 2 or something like that.

It was docked in Dublin Bay about 10 yrs ago
Yes I know there was a US plane ship there as well, no not that one.

it was white and black

QE2 or somethin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary_2

she doesn't own it though but it bears her name

neil_hosey

getz wrote: »

dont forget those royalists fans who live in the republic,one and a half million of them watching the wedding on TV and all those who lined the streets to welcome the queen,

lol.. glad you agree.

Oh i remember the millions lining the streets when the queen of england visted the country lol..

summerskin

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No she doesn't.

pretty sure the aul hag does have one man.
Think it's called Queen Elizabeth 2 or something like that.

It was docked in Dublin Bay about 10 yrs ago
Yes I know there was a US plane ship there as well, no not that one.

it was white and black

QE2 or somethin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary_2

she doesn't own it though but it bears her name

QE2 was a cruise liner.

She had the royal yacht Britannia until 1997.

Do you ever get anything right in your posts?

Batsy

This is a great idea. The Queen is a remarkable woman and this year events are being held around the country to celebrate her Diamond Jubilee. The nation giving her a new Royal yacht would be a fitting gift to mark her 60 years of service to the nation.

ejmaztec

neil_hosey wrote: »

Oh i remember the millions lining the streets when the queen of england visted the country lol..

Here you go.

DEVEREUX

Let them eat cake Ma'am............Spiffing and all that.

Stiffler2

summerskin wrote: »

Do you ever get anything right in your posts?

Anything I say in my posts can be regarded as fact



FACT

The King of Moo

She'd never use it at her age!

There's lots of things I despise and don't get about monarchy and how people put up with it, but I really don't get how, in this economic climate, no-one at Tory Headquarters said "Hang on, this might seem a bit crass, you know, spending £60 million on a luxury yacht during a recession."

Maybe someone did, or a spin doctor suggested it might not go down well, but they were shouted down.
But I don't see how no-one thinks a much more appropriate gift would be to endow a hospital or school in her name, or at least channel the funding into things like health and education.

Maybe they suggested that to Liz but she said she really, really hates sick people and children and wants a big yacht.

Even if the yacht does get funded privately, as a quick look at the Daily Mail suggests (interestingly, most of the article's comments seem to be against the idea), the whole thing is obscene.
Why not put the money toward improving the country she loves so much in a tangible way?

Freddie59

KeithAFC wrote: »

I agree Bwatson. I think the Royal wedding was brilliant. We celebrated it and it was a great time to be British.

Someone from "Ulster" proud to be "British", while the staunchest loyalists (the Scots) want to separate. Yeah, definitely a great time to be "British". Identity crisis doesn't even cover it.:rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

The King of Moo wrote: »

She'd never use it at her age!

There's lots of things I despise and don't get about monarchy and how people put up with it, but I really don't get how, in this economic climate, no-one at Tory Headquarters said "Hang on, this might seem a bit crass, you know, spending £60 million on a luxury yacht during a recession."

Maybe someone did, or a spin doctor suggested it might not go down well, but they were shouted down.
But I don't see how no-one thinks a much more appropriate gift would be to endow a hospital or school in her name, or at least channel the funding into things like health and education.

Maybe they suggested that to Liz but she said she really, really hates sick people and children and wants a big yacht.

Even if the yacht does get funded privately, as a quick look at the Daily Mail suggests (interestingly, most of the article's comments seem to be against the idea), the whole thing is obscene.

It ain't gonna happen. The last one was scrapped because it was under utilised and too costly.

Still, it is a good excuse for After Hours to get outraged.

Freddie59

bwatson wrote: »

I'm sure the British nation are more than devastated that you and your most sophisticated, elegant of families didn't tune in to an event that in truth was nothing to do with you in the first place.

So proud it wasn't. There's something unhinged about a society that wants to fund a family who fart about all day, doing sweet FA, while the rest of the "commoners" pay for it. No small wonder that British numeracy and literacy levels are among the worst in the Western World.:D

Freddie59

getz wrote: »

you dont need a royal family,you have banks to do that

So do the Brits.:)

Freddie59

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes. What is the big deal?

It's an insight into your mentality. And those of your "countrymen".

Freddie59

getz wrote: »

commonwealth,

Joke shop.

KeithAFC

Freddie59 wrote: »

Someone from "Ulster" proud to be "British", while the staunchest loyalists (the Scots) want to separate. Yeah, definitely a great time to be "British". Identity crisis doesn't even cover it.:rolleyes:

No. The SNP want Scottish independence. That is not the same thing as the Scottish people. The Scottish people IMO would most likely say no in a referendum. But it was an irrelevant point anyway.

KeithAFC

Freddie59 wrote: »

It's an insight into your mentality. And those of your "countrymen".

Are people not allowed to support the Royal Family?

Fratton Fred

Freddie59 wrote: »

So proud it wasn't. There's something unhinged about a society that wants to fund a family who fart about all day, doing sweet FA, while the rest of the "commoners" pay for it. No small wonder that British numeracy and literacy levels are among the worst in the Western World.:D

Could you back that statement up please. Last survey I saw pout UK schools ahead of Irish ones.

And what is it you think Michael D does that makes him worth his lavish lifestyle?

Freddie59

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Could you back that statement up please. Last survey I saw pout UK schools ahead of Irish ones.

And what is it you think Michael D does that makes him worth his lavish lifestyle?

When did I say he was?

And there you go:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305229/British-workers-poorly-educated-match-migrant-rivals-study-finds.html

and.........

"Some 7 million adults in England - one in five adults - if given the alphabetical index to the Yellow Pages, cannot locate the page reference for plumbers. That is an examples of functional illiteracy. It means that one in five adults has less literacy than is expected of an 11-year-old."

From:

http://www.third-conditional.net/literacy.html

And as for your assertion regarding Ireland:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

"Great" Britain indeed. Says it all really.:)

Nodin

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The British Royals were chosen by God to the Brit's No 1 welfare family.

Like 'Shameless'.

Freddie59

Batsy wrote: »

This is a great idea. The Queen is a remarkable woman and this year events are being held around the country to celebrate her Diamond Jubilee. The nation giving her a new Royal yacht would be a fitting gift to mark her 60 years of service to sponging off the nation.

FYP.:)

Freddie59

KeithAFC wrote: »

Are people not allowed to support the Royal Family?

Only dimwits.:)

KeithAFC

Freddie59 wrote: »

Only dimwits.:)

That is your opinion. There is plenty of people who like them. I honestly don't see the big problem.

partyatmygaff

Batsy wrote: »

This is a great idea. The Queen is a remarkable woman and this year events are being held around the country to celebrate her Diamond Jubilee. The nation giving her a new Royal yacht would be a fitting gift to mark her 60 years of service to the nation.

What service?

Using the money of her country to dress herself and her family in ridiculously expensive clothes, greet the heads of state of other countries and go on publicly funded "tours"?

later12

Freddie59 wrote: »

Someone from "Ulster" proud to be "British", while the staunchest loyalists (the Scots) want to separate. Yeah, definitely a great time to be "British". Identity crisis doesn't even cover it.:rolleyes:

I'm quite convinced that if it weren't for the IRA, it would be the 'Ulster Scots' up there looking to secede from the Union; and probably would have sought such a secession long before Scotland too.

The whole culture of Ulster unionism is totally reactionary. It is nothing in and of itself, it's just a response to (equally as daft) Irish nationalism.

sock puppet

Freddie59 wrote: »

And as for your assertion regarding Ireland:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/world-education-rankings-maths-science-reading

"Great" Britain indeed. Says it all really.:)

So Irish students outperformed British ones in 1 out of 3 areas, coming in behind them in the other 2. Break out the champers

Minstrel27

getz wrote: »

dont forget those royalists fans who live in the republic,one and a half million of them watching the wedding on TV and all those who lined the streets to welcome the queen,

Did you count the tv viewers yourself or are you going by a flawed ratings system?

lugha

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Using the money of her country to dress herself and her family in ridiculously expensive clothes, greet the heads of state of other countries and go on publicly funded "tours"?

Surely all countries have their own little quirks.

So the Brits have this seemingly irrational attachment to their royal family. I suspect quite a few of those here giving them welly for this boat that they are not buying would have would have equally quirky and equally irrational to all manner of nationalism / republican ideas.

I wonder how many of them will be back in 2016 demanding that we don't go mad on the 'aul rising "celebration"? :pac:

Minstrel27

lugha wrote: »

I wonder how many of them will be back in 2016 demanding that we don't go mad on the 'aul rising "celebration"? :pac:

Let's find out in 2016

nice_very

didnt read all the thread, but dont really care if its been posted before.......


WHICH QUEEN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Spook_ie

tis a long thread and I apologise if someone covered this before but.....

Lizzie gets money from the UK Gov via a Civil List some £7.9 million per annum, this was set in 1990 and has been frozen since then, giving a net adjustment of -76% allowing for inflation etc.

The money is paid in lieu of the income from the crown estates , profits some £230 million in 2011, a net gain to the UK treasury of £222 million per year

The income from tourism is unquantifiable but is a substantial return, for example in France, Nicolas Sarkozy set an annual budget for his establishment at the Elysée of 110 million euros (£90 million). Yet who travels to France to see Nic doing anything?

£60 million for a new boat....chickenfeed

wilkie2006

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

What has this to do with us?

It's 60m quid we can't borrow!

Being serious though, f*ck her. It seems that Charles has been asking for it since the summer - they should stick a yacht up his ar@e

getz

partyatmygaff wrote: »

What service?

Using the money of her country to dress herself and her family in ridiculously expensive clothes, greet the heads of state of other countries and go on publicly funded "tours"?

are you under the impression that the british tax payer paid for the queens visit to ireland?,i dont want to upset you but

Sunnyisland

lugha wrote: »

Surely all countries have their own little quirks.

So the Brits have this seemingly irrational attachment to their royal family. I suspect quite a few of those here giving them welly for this boat that they are not buying would have would have equally quirky and equally irrational to all manner of nationalism / republican ideas.

I wonder how many of them will be back in 2016 demanding that we don't go mad on the 'aul rising "celebration"? :pac:

But but its the english were talking about :p

getz

realies wrote: »

But but its the english were talking about :p

leave him he is in is own little world

Yahew

nice_very wrote: »

didnt read all the thread, but dont really care if its been posted before.......


WHICH QUEEN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

You are expected to read the OP, and most of the thread. The very first post mentioned liz.

bwatson

Freddie59 wrote: »

So proud it wasn't. There's something unhinged about a society that wants to fund a family who fart about all day, doing sweet FA, while the rest of the "commoners" pay for it. No small wonder that British numeracy and literacy levels are among the worst in the Western World.:D

You really appear incredibly desperate to convince yourself that Ireland is, to put it bluntly, a "better" nation that Britain. OK, so now we have the incredibly ambiguous "our state education system is better than your state education system" thing out of the system, have you anything else to draw upon?

Yahew

Era, there's two of them in it.

bwatson

lugha wrote: »

Surely all countries have their own little quirks.

So the Brits have this seemingly irrational attachment to their royal family. I suspect quite a few of those here giving them welly for this boat that they are not buying would have would have equally quirky and equally irrational to all manner of nationalism / republican ideas.

I wonder how many of them will be back in 2016 demanding that we don't go mad on the 'aul rising "celebration"? :pac:

I doubt that your rising celebration will make the news in Britain. Unlike you, they aren't totally obsessed with all things going on with their neighbours.

Are you really going to go for it and have all 5 propeller aircraft in your air corps doing a fly past then?

bwatson

Freddie59 wrote: »

Someone from "Ulster" proud to be "British", while the staunchest loyalists (the Scots) want to separate. Yeah, definitely a great time to be "British". Identity crisis doesn't even cover it.:rolleyes:

No identity crisis at all Freddie.

I'm British. I'm pleased and comfortable with that fact. I don't know Keith but I'm sure he is the same.

You say also the Scots want to separate, whereas just about every opinion poll suggests that they simply do not. You continue to delude yourself and push your misperceptions through the medium of the internet, but it is most amusing to observe.

Yahew

bwatson wrote: »

I'm British. I'm pleased and comfortable with that fact. I don't know Keith but I'm sure he is the same.
.

The thing is though, what do normal Brits think?

summerskin

Yahew wrote: »

The thing is though, what do normal Brits think?

I'm a normal Brit. I am not a royalist, wish we could get rid of the whole monarchy.

However, while they're there let's make some money out of them. They are great for tourism, and if you put Lizzie's new yacht on the banks of the Thames you'd get americans and japanese spending a fortune in the surrounding areas, generating money for the economy.

The royals cost each british person 62p a year in taxes, but make hundreds of millions in terms of boosting tourism.

Still, out with the lot of them. As long as they drop Kate off at my house on the way...

bwatson

Yahew wrote: »

The thing is though, what do normal Brits think?

What do you mean by "normal" Brits?

Most British people on the mainland understand that Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and as a result the people of Northern Ireland (apart from the obvious exception of those who decide not to be) are British.

It's not massively difficult to understand and if any Brits I have met while at university in London have not had a proper understanding of this (very few have been so ignorant) it doesn't really take much effort to inform them.

Even for the population of a nation who's apparent academic flaws are of great satisfaction to the other one who has a serious chip on his shoulder, it doesn't really seem to be an issue of great difficulty.

bwatson

summerskin wrote: »

I'm a normal Brit. I am not a royalist, wish we could get rid of the whole monarchy.

However, while they're there let's make some money out of them. They are great for tourism, and if you put Lizzie's new yacht on the banks of the Thames you'd get americans and japanese spending a fortune in the surrounding areas, generating money for the economy.

The royals cost each british person 62p a year in taxes, but make hundreds of millions in terms of boosting tourism.

Still, out with the lot of them. As long as they drop Kate off at my house on the way...

That wasn't the question being asked.

Even so, opinion polls of recent years would suggest that you would not be classed as "normal" if that was the word chosen to describe the majority. Most are in favour of retaining the monarchy.