Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

SafeSurfer

Kotek Besar wrote: »

TK Maxx usually have a lot of this type of thing. For some reason it doesn't seem to sell very well over here, which is great for me because then it goes in the sale after Boxing Day and I usually buy it all.

That explains it.

Galwayguy35

Funny question to ask. Why would any Irish person wear a union jack.

old hippy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Funny question to ask. Why would any Irish person wear a union jack.

cos they don't carry the past around with them?

woodoo

Feisar wrote: »

But there was no famine as such. A famine is when there is no food in a country.

Beef and grain was being exported out of Ireland at gun point.

It was an ethnic cleansing of sorts.

And we don't pay enough homage to it here. It was a travesty.

Hannibal

woodoo wrote: »

Thats very interesting and i think more Irish could do with understanding that. But its hard to tell the difference because nobody plastered themselves in the union jack more than the Gallagher brothers from Oasis. Both their parents were 1st generation Irish.

Noel used to play the union jack guitar knowing it would drive his father up the wall as they had a non existant relationship, Noel has openly stated he supports the Irish national football team and attends Glasgow Celtic games aswell who have strong Irish connections. He also said that most of the template for the rousing chorus's of Oasis songs are due to his upbringing of listening to Irish rebel music at home and in pubs

Cú Giobach

Feisar wrote: »

But there was no famine as such. A famine is when there is no food in a country.

No!
A famine is when masses are dying of starvation and hunger related diseases.
It comes from the latin word for hunger Fames and is related to the word famish/ed, a famine could be called a hunger as it is in the Irish word Gorta.

What is famine?

Famine may be seen as "the regional failure of food production or distribution systems, leading to sharply increased mortality due to starvation and associated disease" (Cox 1981, 5). While other definitions exist as well, this one usefully emphasizes regional, not family failure;

Indeed, most famine-induced mortality tends to occur after the worst of the food crisis is over but while the crisis of infectious disease persists

billybudd

woodoo wrote: »

And we don't pay enough homage to it here. It was a travesty.

If you do pay homage your a mad sinner or republican, one thing i admire about the British is that they know how to keep alive and celebrate their past with out being called renegades.

Ghost Buster

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Funny question to ask. Why would any Irish person wear a union jack.

Cos it happens to be on a item of clothing and they dont have hang ups and have moved on past their parents and grand parents hand me down notions perhaps?

namloc1980

Nationalism is such a moronic notion, up there with religion as the most dangerous, undesirable and divisive of human creations.

Feisar

Cú Giobach wrote: »

No!
A famine is when masses are dying of starvation and hunger related diseases.
It comes from the latin word for hunger Fames and is related to the word famish/ed, a famine could be called a hunger as it is in the Irish word Gorta.

What is famine?

You're correct in what you're saying in terms of the actual meaning of the word. My point is people shouldn't be under the illusion that there was no food in the country.

wendell borton

billybudd wrote: »

If you do pay homage your a mad sinner or republican, one thing i admire about the British is that they know how to keep alive and celebrate their past with out being called renegades.

colly10

I have no issue with Britain or British people, but I would not go around wearing something with the British flag on it. Why would you wear the flag of another nation?
Would you wear an England jersey if you liked the look of it?

con1982

I wouldn't wear it either. Not just a British thing. I wouldn't wear anything with a USA, USSR, Saudi or German flag. Probably some others too. There's too much emotion around certain flags.

My foreign girlfriend was looking at a mug with the Union Jacket on it and i told her i'd throw it in the bin the second she left the house. I've no problem with English or British people just the symbology of that flag.

Washout wrote: »

SO my wife is Indian...and was over there on a trip home.

she brought me back a jumper with a little patch of the British flag about 2cm by 1cm.

I said to her, I cant wear that with the flag on it ill get a different patch to cover it. (you cant just simply remove it).

The argument that ensued was unreal.

Just wondering if there is Irish ppl out there who would wear it and am I just being totally pedantic.

Galwayguy35

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Cos it happens to be on a item of clothing and they dont have hang ups and have moved on past their parents and grand parents hand me down notions perhaps?

Thats your view, i think different. Im proud of my countries history.

starbelgrade

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Thats your view, i think different. Im proud of my countries history.

Why?

Galwayguy35

starbelgrade wrote: »

Why?

Why not?

starbelgrade

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why not?

Is there a reason why you are avoiding the question or are you just stumped as to how to come up with any justifiable excuse for making a totally absurd statement?

Feisar

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Cos it happens to be on a item of clothing and they dont have hang ups and have moved on past their parents and grand parents hand me down notions perhaps?

Read a brief history of Ireland. 800 years of oppression and tyranny. Penal Laws, famine, rape and murder. As I've said before at times Ireland was like one big concentration camp. Any wealth was squeezed out of the country, people were little more than slaves.
Yes, it's in the past but then so is the Holocaust, if I described that as a "hand me down notion" I'd be flamed or called a troll etc.

Feisar

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why not?

I'm not proud of our history. This is why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1tJJO_pVvQ

Galwayguy35

starbelgrade wrote: »

Is there a reason why you are avoiding the question or are you just stumped as to how to come up with any justifiable excuse for making a totally absurd statement?

No im not stumped at all. And i see no reason why anyone shouldnt be proud of our history. What does amaze me is that people with your view exist. Or are you not Irish?

starbelgrade

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No im not stumped at all. And i see no reason why anyone shouldnt be proud of our history. What does amaze me is that people with your view exist. Or are you not Irish?

What difference does it make where I'm from? The notion that anyone should be proud of where they were born is an absurdity as that is something they have no control over. There is no logic behind it.

Then to take that to another level of ridiculousness by saying that they are proud of a past you had no part in is baffling.

I understand people liking where they live or having admiration for people in history, but pride? How very odd indeed.

And you still haven't answered the question.

Feisar

starbelgrade wrote: »

What difference does it make where I'm from? The notion that anyone should be proud of where they were born is an absurdity as that is something they have no control over. There is no logic behind it.

Then to take that to another level of ridiculousness by saying that they are proud of a past you had no part in is baffling.

I understand people liking where they live or having admiration for people in history, but pride? How very odd indeed.

And you still haven't answered the question.

While I like Ireland and like being Irish, I agree to be proud of something I've no hand act or part in baffles me.

It's not "very odd indeed" though it's very common.

Not just nationally either, fat drunk arseholes who haven't togged out since under tens thinking their great because "they won" whatever game it might have been GAA/soccer/whatever. Eh no, you sat on yer fat arse while other people sweated and struggled.

Hilly Bill

Washout wrote: »

SO my wife is Indian...and was over there on a trip home.

she brought me back a jumper with a little patch of the British flag about 2cm by 1cm.

I said to her, I cant wear that with the flag on it ill get a different patch to cover it. (you cant just simply remove it).

The argument that ensued was unreal.

Just wondering if there is Irish ppl out there who would wear it and am I just being totally pedantic.

Yes you are, its your choice but its only a small flag.

gurramok

starbelgrade wrote: »

What difference does it make where I'm from?

Bleein Serbs!;)

Galwayguy35

starbelgrade wrote: »

What difference does it make where I'm from? The notion that anyone should be proud of where they were born is an absurdity as that is something they have no control over. There is no logic behind it.

Then to take that to another level of ridiculousness by saying that they are proud of a past you had no part in is baffling.

I understand people liking where they live or having admiration for people in history, but pride? How very odd indeed.

And you still haven't answered the question.

Im proud of the men and women who fought to give us our freedom. And if you dont get it then then there is nothing i can do about that. And yes it does matter where you are from as the subject is Ireland and Irish people.

Hilly Bill

The subject is clothes with a little flag on it.

starbelgrade

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Im proud of the men and women who fought to give us our freedom. And if you dont get it then then there is nothing i can do about that. And yes it does matter where you are from as the subject is Ireland and Irish people.

The subject is the wearing of the English flag.

It still doesn't explain to me why you're proud to be Irish. Six posts later & you're still stumped.

billybudd

wendell borton wrote: »

Thats about right!

Feisar

starbelgrade wrote: »

The subject is the wearing of the English flag.

It still doesn't explain to me why you're proud to be Irish. Six posts later & you're still stumped.

Is the question not answered???

billybudd

starbelgrade wrote: »

The subject is the wearing of the English flag.

It still doesn't explain to me why you're proud to be Irish. Six posts later & you're still stumped.

The Burren.

Galwayguy35

starbelgrade wrote: »

The subject is the wearing of the English flag.

It still doesn't explain to me why you're proud to be Irish. Six posts later & you're still stumped.

I dont know what you think im stumped about? Read what i said, that what i think and if you dont like it i wont loose any sleep over it.

starbelgrade

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I dont know what you think im stumped about? Read what i said, that what i think and if you dont like it i wont loose any sleep over it.

I don't think you lose much sleep over anything. Your pat answers are pretty obvious that you don't think too hard about anything really and are more content to fill your head with foolish, emotional conditions such as national pride.

LordSutch

starbelgrade wrote: »

The subject is the wearing of the English flag.

Actually, the subject is the wearing of the British flag (different thing altogether)!

British Flag = St George + St Patrick + St Andrew.
English Flag = St George.

Galwayguy35

starbelgrade wrote: »

I don't think you lose much sleep over anything. Your pat answers are pretty obvious that you don't think too hard about anything really and are more content to fill your head with foolish, emotional conditions such as national pride.

Yeah whatever. :rolleyes:

Dudess

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Funny question to ask. Why would any Irish person wear a union jack.

Well the question wasn't "Would you wear a union jack" to be fair.

woodoo

starbelgrade wrote: »

I don't think you lose much sleep over anything. Your pat answers are pretty obvious that you don't think too hard about anything really and are more content to fill your head with foolish, emotional conditions such as national pride.

National pride is something you find the world over. He is hardly unique.

LordSutch

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why would any Irish person wear a union jack.

But why not, unless you have a pathalogical hatred of the Union Flag?

If its part of a label, (Reebok trainers for example), or a label inside a suit then why not wear it? there are many clothing items & bags being sold in Ireland with little British flags on them, usually because they have been made or designed by our neighbours up North & across the water, so why the disgust at their flag

What have they done to you Galwayguy?

Morlar

LordSutch wrote: »

But why not, unless you have a pathalogical hatred of the Union Flag?

The question is 'Why ?' not 'Why not ?'

starbelgrade

woodoo wrote: »

National pride is something you find the world over. He is hardly unique.

I never said it was unique, I said it was absurd.

LordSutch

Morlar wrote: »

The question is 'Why ?' not 'Why not ?'

The question is: "Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it"?

Galwayguy said "Why would any Irish person wear a union jack".

And I said 'Why not'

Morlar

LordSutch wrote: »

Galwayguy said "Why" would any Irish person wear a union jack.

And I said 'Why not' wear the flag . . .

Which is not an answer to the question being asked.

starbelgrade

Morlar wrote: »

Which is not an answer to the question being asked.

Why not?

SeanW

Duggy747 wrote: »

You're clearly a hardline Republican itching to have a good ol' "Up da Ra!!" chant and to, as they say, "kneecap someone" by refusing to wear this.

You, sir, are worse than Hitler!

Is there some kind of standing rule on AH that someone must invoke Godwin's Law within the first page?

colly10

LordSutch wrote: »

But why not, unless you have a pathalogical hatred of the Union Flag?

The flag represents a nation and wearing something with that flag represents pride in that nation. If you don't even have pride in being Irish, why would you wear something that shows pride in a nation you have nothing to do with?

LordSutch

Morlar wrote: »

Which is not an answer to the question being asked.

So if you are asking me "Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it"?

Then Yes, and I do, and why not?

Morlar

LordSutch wrote: »

So if you are asking me "Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it"?

Then Yes, and I do, and why not?

Again, that is not the question you were asked.

woodoo

starbelgrade wrote: »

I never said it was unique, I said it was absurd.

True pride in your country should mean that people will do whats best for the country. I think its closely related to pride in yourself, pride in your family, pride in your locality and pride in your country. I think it does no harm at all.

If everyone had pride in the country it would be a better place. Less people out to take take take,less tolerance of criminality around them, of politicians getting away with bad decisions, bad planning, less littering etc. The list is endless. Indifference and self interest has led us down the path we find ourselves in. People not particularly bothered about how the country was ran so long as their little patch was OK or their pockets were filled.

Pride is important in general and i see no reason not to extend it to your country.

LordSutch

Morlar wrote: »

Again, that is not the question you were asked.

This could be a long night Morlar.

What is your question? or are you asking on behalf of Galwayguy35?

starbelgrade

woodoo wrote: »

True pride in your country should mean that people will do whats best for the country. I think its closely related to pride in yourself, pride in your family, pride in your locality and pride in your country. I think it does no harm at all.

If everyone had pride in the country it would be a better place. Less people out to take take take,less tolerance of criminality around them, of politicians getting away with bad decisions, bad planning, less littering etc. The list is endless. Indifference and self interest has led us down the path we find ourselves in. People not particularly bothered about how the country was ran so long as their little patch was OK or their pockets were filled.

Pride is important in general and i see no reason not to extend it to your country.

While I agree that all those are admirable things & ones we should strive for, I don't think you need to be proud of your country to do any of them. What's needed for that is a sense of responsibilty & the will to act on it.

I'm not sure how pride comes into it.

Wild Bill

Ph*** no! :eek: