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Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?
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howamidifferent wrote: »Worked in Poland for 6 months about 6 years ago. While there I bought a lovely thick warm fleece jacket to keep out the cold that was the norm there in the winter. Loved it.
Cam home and the first day I put it on here was a paddys day 17th March.
Walking through town with the girlfriend, minding my own business and out of nowhere a group of about 8 to 10 late teenage scumbags started shouting, roaring and squaring up to me with shouts of "throw him in the river", "kill the ****er" etc. I hadnt even thought about it but there was a small british flag on the back of the jacket that had abviously caught there eye and in their indignation they wanted to throw it and me still wearing it, into the river. :eek:
Managed to push my way past them, pretending to ignore them while all the while waiting for the thumps/slaps/or kicks to follow. Didnt happen thankfully but frightened the hell out of me. Never wore it again despite loving that jacket. Toe-rags of the highest order who likely had never read a history book but had been brainwashed that all things english were bad except football teams. Turns out it was a Reebok jacket but I hadnt known that or noticed that the emblem on the back was an english flag. Even if I had known I wouldnt have seen a problem with a piece of clothing so couldnt fathom the hatred it inspired that day.
Its a coat for ****s sake! 
What a terrible experience. Sadly, we will always get scumbags like this using patriotism as a scapegoat for scumbag behaviour. If they were to sit down and do an exam on Irish history, they would probably fail but they use our/their history a la carte as an excuse to act like thugs. It's sad to think that people died for yobs like that.0 -
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Just getting with the trend, just ask your wife if she'd wear a jumper with a Pakistani flag on it.
fryup wrote:walk down any main st in england wearing a tee shirt with an irish tricolour no one will batt an eyelid
> walk down any any main st in ireland wearing a tee shirt with a union jack and there a big chance you'll get abuse FACT
who's the bigots i ask you?
We didn't rule them for 800 years and they don't give a toss about Union flag wearing Unionsts in NI, complete opposite to what occurred here. If you come across an anti-Irish English person, they are usually of the right wing Al Murray type wound up by tabloids. Many English are not of that type.0 -
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SO my wife is Indian...and was over there on a trip home.
she brought me back a jumper with a little patch of the British flag about 2cm by 1cm.
I said to her, I cant wear that with the flag on it ill get a different patch to cover it. (you cant just simply remove it).
The argument that ensued was unreal.
Just wondering if there is Irish ppl out there who would wear it and am I just being totally pedantic.that was my argument.. I work in tallaght close to kilnamanagh imagine scumbags seeing me wearing it..could lead to a beating.
I also pointed out to her that as an Indian would she wear something with the Pakistan flag on it in India to which er answer was your just being an idiot.
I'm on your wife's side,god love the poor woman,she's married a narrow minded snob!starbelgrade wrote: »Most of the vehement anti-British sentiment in this country comes from young males - none of whom were even alive during the Troubles and the majority of whom have absolutely no connection to anyone or anything from those days.
They have a very one-sided view of the history of the two countries & refuse to acknowledge that the history itself is not black & white, but many shades of grey.
It's mostly just young bucks looking for somewhere to vent their pent-up anger.
.......and because there's no game for it on the PS3 or XBox yet!carfiosaoorl wrote: »No I wouldnt wear it, I wont wear reebok either because of the flag. My ex even freaks out if the kids dress in red, white and blue. A bit of a pain in the arse in the summer when all of the nautical clothes come in to shops
Your ex you saw the light!summerskin wrote: »OK, go and ask someone from Moss Side in Manchester to support Liverpool. Or someone from Sheffield to support Leeds.
This is a perfect illustration of how most irish people do not understand english football. loyalties are built on where you are from, for your local team for the majority of fans. The irish should follow LoI teams, they have no connection to manchester, liverpool or anywhere.
As an englishman, I don't choose to be a Real Madrid fan because Beckham once played for them, but apparently that's a good enough reason for someone to support United because paul mcgrath used to play there??? Utter rubbish. Wish those day trippers would stay at home and let real fans have a seat.
I know of a very proud Sheffield man who is a life long Leeds supporter, his 4 sons are all life long Man U supporters & his Daughter a liverpool supporter ...... and that's just one family, i'm guessing there are loads more like them the lenght & bredth of Englandsummerskin wrote: »I'd say the 6.5% asian population far outweighs the irish population. i say this as someone who is from greater manchester. the irish population is miniscule in comparison.
Maybe directly, but the diaspora % would be greater on the Irish side than asian,the Irish diaspora is a far higher % than any other 'minority' group in the UK,minorty groups combined far outnumber true blood English,Welsh or Scottish hence the term 'Mongrel Nation'summerskin wrote: »utter bollocks that only an irishman would spout. I'm an englishman who has moved to ireland, does that mean i should start supporting an irish team rather than the team i have supported from my local area since i was a child? it's fickle and i would never do it.
Did those irish who emigrated also start supporting england, as that was where they lived? of course not, they sat in the pub with their united shirts on and sent money back for the IRA. I sat in enough pubs and witnessed this happen. It's typical irish fickleness, you'll support anything english when it suits you, and then harp on about 800 years when it doesn't.
I'm from greater manchester, are you? no. I'd imagine that gives me a little more insight into the history of the area and even of the football clubs. Stick to your own clubs histories, you haven't a clue about english teams and the history. You don't support a team because a few irishmen played there. whoopee fnucking doo. That's like saying that because many footballers from manchester have played for teams in London that people in manchester should then support London teams.
You support a team because it means something to you, it represents your town or city, even your side of a town or city. Not because some random builder came over from ireland in 1914 and was half-decent.
Oh, I know, Paul Scholes is from oldham, and he plays for man Utd, I should now support United instead of Oldham, by your logic.
Stick to GAA.
Funny,you started this one with the phrase "utter bollocks" and ended with the word "logic" ,the first summing up the post and the second lacking in ...Logicsummerskin wrote: »I never said the country was crap. just the football fans and the constant harping on about 800 years from all the hand-wringing types who cannot take responsibility for their own actions and failures.
To be honest i'd love to move back to England, and I'm currently trying to convince my Irish wife to do so. However, family comes first, so it may not happen for a while.
Yes you did, quite vehemently too,you attacked everything from our people to our systems, backed up with loose strings of historical 'facts' , as bad a conduct of those spouting anti british bile,disgusting on both sides!
Why is your wife so against the move? Have you been unable to logically convince her of the benefits of getting out of here? Genuinely,I think she is mad to want to stay given the state we in here although things are starting to turn bleaker across the water these past months so maybe she's of the mind "better the devil"summerskin wrote: »it is. The irish "fans" are fickle glory-hunters with no real sense of belonging to any club, they just follow the trophies. Funny how the number of coaches going to anfield from here has halved in the years where they haven't won anything...
Just the Irish fans? come on, even the most ardant die hard footie fan would have to admit that football fans in general,regardless of allegiance to any team,are the most fickle of people - "you only sing when your winning" and turn on your team when they hit a rough patch, it's not a case of nationality its a mentality!summerskin wrote: »Ah, the patronising use of "son", despite the fact that I'm probably older than you. How clever.
Funny about the english having a bad name, i seem to recall the irish being unwelcome in vast swathes of the world. You're not seen as the happy-go-lucky, lovable rogues you seem to think.
Most irish people are sound, as are most british people. I've never been made to feel unwelcome anywhere I have travelled.
A case of the pot & the kettle and that colour black.summerskin wrote: »i've lived in the north west of england, London, france, switzerland, the USA and now ireland. I have friends in each place and have many irish friends, of course. My family left ireland over a hundred years ago to go to the UK and the USA. I'm just sick of all the anti-british drivel spouted on here by people sitting there wearing the united/liverpool shirts they are so proud of.
i've never been a nationalistic person, funny thing is that now i feel driven to defend the UK against the constant bashing.
funnily, when i'm in manchester this weekend I'll be defending ireland in a similar manner at times when people make the usual jokes about the country.
.........is that the sound of the penny dropping?summerskin wrote: »http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-students-unwelcome-in-California-towns-100180939.html
one example. Historically the irish were excluded from many jobs in the USA as per the famous slogan INNA (Irish need not apply) No Irish need apply is NOT an urban legend.
In the 1800's when Irish immigrants took up whole neighbourhoods in New York City, many business owners put up "No Irish need apply" signs up. Many business owners did not want Irish to apply, especially in New York City, because of the reputation they had as drinking loud mouths. Irish were also seen as dirty and disease ridden and it was a common belief that the potato blithe in the Great Potato Famine could be passed through humans and was a disease.
Also stories have been told that New York City newsboys often fought with each other and Italian and Jewish immigrants would scream "No Irish need apply" in teasing to the Irish boys.Glad those days are gone, personally.
Shipped over on British vessels in squalid conditions without the basics to survive,with nowt in their pockets,hardly a few clothes to their name,having been coaxed from their land under false pretences,some say the lucky ones died before they arrived in the land of hope & glory given what many were met with once they arrived, much like another bunch plucked from their own lands and shipped across the sea.summerskin wrote: »i've not said the country is crap, i've said some of the people are. you can't seriously expect us to sit back and see all the bile spouted against england on the thread and not defend it in any way? Were the anti-british posts rude, or does that only work one way??
But you did, read back over what you posted,it's all there, and of course you have a right to defend yourself but 2 wrongs dont make a right, best not lower yourself to those standards,it only makes you come off worse.
Bigotry is bigotry no matter what flag you stand under,spouting misinformed 'facts' and /or opinions only adds to the bile.0 -
Just to add insult to injury, they probably didn't even realise that the flag of St. Patrick is on the union jack, or maybe they did and that's why they were offended?
I've always wondered where the 'Welsh' representation is on the British flag? I know the Georges cross & scottish flag is there but I dont see any green or dragon is it more subtle that it goes unnoticed. 0 -
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EarlERizer wrote: »I've always wondered where the 'Welsh' representation is on the British flag? I know the Georges cross & scottish flag is there but I dont see any green or dragon is it more subtle that it goes unnoticed.
It's to do with Kingdoms and Principalities... and lots of other mish mash involving Patron Saints..0 -
EarlERizer wrote: »I've always wondered where the 'Welsh' representation is on the British flag? I know the Georges cross & scottish flag is there but I dont see any green or dragon is it more subtle that it goes unnoticed.
http://www.royal.gov.uk/MonarchUK/Symbols/UnionJack.aspxThe Welsh dragon does not appear on the Union Flag. This is because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, the Principality of Wales by that time was already united with England and was no longer a separate principality.0 -
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EarlERizer wrote: »I've always wondered where the 'Welsh' representation is on the British flag? I know the Georges cross & scottish flag is there but I dont see any green or dragon is it more subtle that it goes unnoticed.
The Union Flag is made up of the Cross of St George (England), the Cross of St Patrick (Ireland/N.Ireland), and the Cross/Saltire of St Andrew (Scotland), and as has already been said, Wales is a principality, and it never had 'Country Status' hence its not represented in the flag for this reason!0 -
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No. I would not wear that flag because it represents repression to me and people in my family.You don't have to wear clothing to show your gratitude and dependence anyway.
Sure you do your bit to support British arts and culture anyway with your obsession with the Premier League, the BBC, Sherlock and Downton Abbey
WTF is this bull****?
Regardless, I couldn't help but notice the amount of Irish people working in the BBC and UK media in general; take them out and you have an inferior product.
Indeed, take the Irish contribution to literature and the arts out of the English language and again, a much inferior product is the result.
So maybe when people like you embrace these facts, rather than holding onto an antiquated and outdated sense of self-importance for dear life, then we'll all get along a little better.0 -
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But there is no outpouring of hatred towards EnglandAs somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now? A new era since the Queen's visit? A new era since Cameron's loan? A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it? Yet the hatred here (among some) for the British flag is palpable.
I find the amount of Brit bashing here disgustingly narrow minded & ill informed. So much for a new dispensation & being friends. I actuall have friends in England who visit us here on a regular basis, England Rugby shirts & flags on display (without problem), so quite why there is so much hatred for the British flag here 'on this Thread' is somewhat curious & not representitive of the larger population - I think?
I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England. people are just saying they would feel uncomfortable. In fact most of the bigoted statements (by a long shot) are towards Ireland or Irish people. 0 -
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As somebody who has lived & worked in Ireland & England it is truly shocking & saddening to see the amount of vitriol & haterd towards the British flag! Surely we live in a new era now? A new era since the Queen's visit? A new era since Cameron's loan? A new dispensation wherby Irish people are free to wear Ireland shirts & flags in England (without fear), and people in Ireland are equally free to wear anything with a British/English flag on it? Yet the hatred here (among some) for the British flag is palpable.
I find the amount of Brit bashing here disgustingly narrow minded & ill informed. So much for a new dispensation & being friends. I actuall have friends in England who visit us here on a regular basis, England Rugby shirts & flags on display (without problem), so quite why there is so much hatred for the British flag here 'on this Thread' is somewhat curious & not representitive of the larger population - I think?
I can't imagine a similar outpouring of hatred for wearing the Tricolour in England.
I agree with your sentiment, I think the bile & vitriol we endure in open forums are par for the course, be it misinformed distorted or ignorant it's the individual given their tu'pence worth and for others just a chance to stir the pot or stoke the fire and for some it's their opinion to which they're entitled,we may not always like it or agree with it.
That said, I equally detest the passionate in your face flag waving proud nationalist stance that we see from some,be it at international football matches or on the balconies of holiday apart-hotels all over the med or as a symbol on patriotic pride whilst acting like animals.
I abhor the use of the Irish Tri-Colour & British flags as statements in football grounds such as Parkhead & Ibrox (you'd laugh at it's ignorance if it wasnt so sinister)
I suppose we've actually come on a fair bit these past 10-15 years but there's still a way to go yet,but for the most part we're on the right track and hopefully it'll remain so.
.........until Cameron wants his money back lol Cameron's loan , love it! 0 -
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> walk down any main st in england wearing a tee shirt with an irish tricolour no one will batt an eyelid
> walk down any any main st in ireland wearing a tee shirt with a union jack and there a big chance you'll get abuse FACT
who's the bigots i ask you?
yeh, well we didnt put them through 800 years of.... ah, never mind
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