Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

Cú Giobach

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Just to prove that no one would even notice it? English people wear the German parkas too, by the way, I'd imagine they were wearing them before they were fashionable in certain scenes in Ireland. I've never heard English people speak bad of the Germans outside of a jokey manner,

Not quite the same in Russia though. Occupation makes things a tad different.

pickarooney

Tabnabs wrote: »

Some countries flags just look good or have a perceived cool vibe about them, the Union Flag just isn't one of them...

It absolutely does. You see union flag livery on all kinds of things, from cups to cars, in every country in the world. After the stars and stripes I can't think of a single more popular flag design in the world and it's always been considered a couple of notches of chic higher than old glory.

Cú Giobach

ejmaztec wrote: »

It would have to be a proper flag, and not one with a huge orange bit in the middle and tiny green and white stripes either side.

An orange eating a shamrock?

Paparazzo

summerskin wrote: »

have done it hundreds of times with my old parka coat and my old west germany football shirt. no problems at all, same when i wear an argentina football shirt.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The response in both countries would be an overwhelming lack of interest tbh.

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Just to prove that no one would even notice it? English people wear the German parkas too, by the way, I'd imagine they were wearing them before they were fashionable in certain scenes in Ireland. I've never heard English people speak bad of the Germans outside of a jokey manner, I can't say the same for the Irish speaking of our British neighbours.

I wore a German football jersey in England before and almost got into several fights because of it. Never again.

KeithAFC

ejmaztec wrote: »

It would have to be a proper flag, and not one with a huge orange bit in the middle and tiny green and white stripes either side.

Will depend on how long it has to be on for.

Feisar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3L0B2At_W4

mongdesade

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I've never heard English people speak bad of the Germans outside of a jokey manner, I can't say the same for the Irish speaking of our British neighbours.

Ask yourself...why ?

ejmaztec

KeithAFC wrote: »

Will depend on how long it has to be on for.

All day on 12th July:D.

sensibleken

blatantrereg wrote: »

So do you reckon the colonisation of Ireland by Britain was more or less destructive than the colonisation of Ireland by the Catholic church?

They were opposing forces after all. Surely the Catholic church were the bad guys. More oppression, more repression and more heinous crimes by them than there were by the Brits I'd have thought.

People should be proud to wear the union jack, in honour of those who stood against that evil force in our land.

nope. firstly at the time of the anglo norman invasion the 'brits' were catholic and it was authorised by rome to bring ireland under the control of rome. second of all the catholic church never wiped out a third of the population ala cromwell or attempted to wipe out its cultural identity.

Catholic church was nasty but submission to it, historically, was voluntary adn not as bad as british rule.

KeithAFC

ejmaztec wrote: »

All day on 12th July:D.

Would make an interesting gameshow. See how many people can survive.

Stripey Cat

Apart from at the airport and their embassy, are there any British flags flying in Dublin normally?

You see other flags around hotels, especially the US one. Is anyone flying a Union Flag anywhere?

Stripey Cat

Will their flag change if the Scots leave?
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/aug2007/union_flag.jpg

blatantrereg

sensibleken wrote: »

nope. firstly at the time of the anglo norman invasion the 'brits' were catholic and it was authorised by rome to bring ireland under the control of rome. second of all the catholic church never wiped out a third of the population ala cromwell or attempted to wipe out its cultural identity.

Catholic church was nasty but submission to it, historically, was voluntary adn not as bad as british rule.

Cromwell was the agent of religious fanatics he put into power in England incidentally. (They banned christmas you know.) So you could see him as anti-British as well, since he overthrew the Monarch, or at least as a disparate entity to Britain under different regimes. It really was a very long time ago too...

The Catholic church did succeed in absolutely wiping out druidism, which was core to the cultural identity here.

RichieC

pickarooney wrote: »

It absolutely does. You see union flag livery on all kinds of things, from cups to cars, in every country in the world. After the stars and stripes I can't think of a single more popular flag design in the world and it's always been considered a couple of notches of chic higher than old glory.

USSR flag is the best of the lot. and their anthem.

Spacedog

smash wrote: »

Can you get union jack toilet roll?

try here

Fratton Fred

blatantrereg wrote: »

Cromwell was the agent of religious fanatics he put into power in England incidentally. (They banned christmas you know.) He also overthrew the British government. So you could see him as anti-British as well, or at least as a disparate entity to Britain under different regimes. It really was a very long time ago too...

The Catholic church did succeed in absolutely wiping out druidism, which was core to the cultural identity here.

Cromwell overthrew the monarchy, not government. He was a Parliamentarian.


There is also the small question of why he came to Ireland, it could have something to do with a planned invasion of England by the Irish confederates to help restore the monarchy.

Celly Smunt

Stripey Cat wrote: »

Will their flag change if the Scots leave?
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/aug2007/union_flag.jpg

when Ireland left it still didn't so i'd say the same for if scotland leave too.

Feisar

Cromwell
The Penal Laws
The Famine

Wikipedia:
"In the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish Catholics had been prohibited by the penal laws from owning land, from leasing land; from voting, from holding political office; from living in a corporate town or within 5 mi (8.0 km) of a corporate town, from obtaining education, from entering a profession, and from doing many other things that are necessary in order to succeed and prosper in life. The laws had largely been reformed by 1793, and in 1829, Irish Catholics could again sit in parliament following the Act of Emancipation."

The country was one big concentration camp.

And before someone says get over it/living in the past/etc. I have already stated that anyone is entitled to wear what they like, I don't nor should I have any problem with that.

As I've said before the Union flag is the same as the Swastika to me.

Paparazzo

Stripey Cat wrote: »

Apart from at the airport and their embassy, are there any British flags flying in Dublin normally?

You see other flags around hotels, especially the US one. Is anyone flying a Union Flag anywhere?

There were a good few around last year, think it was for the queens visit. But pubs in dublin had union jacks outside them. Not sure what it is, but the union jack looks tacky. Think it's the over use as a pattern

Celly Smunt

Feisar wrote: »

Cromwell
The Penal Laws
The Famine

Wikipedia:
"In the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish Catholics had been prohibited by the penal laws from owning land, from leasing land; from voting, from holding political office; from living in a corporate town or within 5 mi (8.0 km) of a corporate town, from obtaining education, from entering a profession, and from doing many other things that are necessary in order to succeed and prosper in life. The laws had largely been reformed by 1793, and in 1829, Irish Catholics could again sit in parliament following the Act of Emancipation."

The country was one big concentration camp.

And before someone says get over it/living in the past/etc. I have already stated that anyone is entitled to wear what they like, I don't nor should I have any problem with that.

As I've said before the Union flag is the same as the Swastika to me.

Should've converted.

EarlERizer

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Someone says they would be uncomfortable wearing something with the union flag on it, they are then attacked and called all sorts of names along with mass generalisations about Irish people and you say you are the recipient of bile and hatred, Wow!
One side attacks an emblem the other a people, which is worse?

Careful in your assumption mo chara, where have I said (barr a post refering to an incident in Blackrock) I have been subjected to bile & hatred? I'm going to hazard a guess that you read my line "we endure bile & vitriol on open forums blah blah blah par for the course" and have conveniently edited your reply to suit your mood.

So,with that in mind, my use of "we" in the sentence was not we the English/British but we the readers and members of boards.ie in particular the after hours threads, as in "We get allsorts round here" ..... and for the record I'm Irish.

KeithAFC

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Cromwell overthrew the monarchy, not government. He was a Parliamentarian.


There is also the small question of why he came to Ireland, it could have something to do with a planned invasion of England by the Irish confederates to help restore the monarchy.

Oliver Cromwell also seeked revenge for 1641 in his brutal killing of Irish Catholics. He did have a motive and didn't just ride in on a horse without one.

Stripey Cat

Paparazzo wrote: »

There were a good few around last year, think it was for the queens visit. But pubs in dublin had union jacks outside them. Not sure what it is, but the union jack looks tacky. Think it's the over use as a pattern

I looked and I didn't see any.

Josephine O Beirnes

Good jasus no, never... i dont think any sane irish person would,

Dyr

Stripey Cat wrote: »

Will their flag change if the Scots leave?
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/aug2007/union_flag.jpg

Well the welsh dont have their cross on it so they can just use the george cross instead

pinkpetal

NO

token101

I'd say even the English would hand them into the charity shop if they had the union jack on them at this stage. Why do you think Reebok Classics are so popular with scumbags? They should be marked 'Sovereigns stolen separately'.

brummytom

bronte wrote: »

Presumably you also refuse to visit Britain or watch any programme broadcasted by a British TV channel or use any product that comes from Britain as well......in case you catch the Britain off them?

I wouldn't wear the flag and I live in Britain...

Cú Giobach

EarlERizer wrote: »

Careful in your assumption mo chara, where have I said (barr a post refering to an incident in Blackrock) I have been subjected to bile & hatred? I'm going to hazard a guess that you read my line "we endure bile & vitriol on open forums blah blah blah par for the course" and have conveniently edited your reply to suit your mood.

So,with that in mind, my use of "we" in the sentence was not we the English/British but we the readers and members of boards.ie in particular the after hours threads, as in "We get allsorts round here" ..... and for the record I'm Irish.

Gabh mo leithscéal, The only part of your post that "took sides" was you saying you agree with Lord Such's point, which was about "brit bashing" and vitriol and hatred against Britain or England when in fact most of the vitriol here is against the Irish. I read all your post but didn't quote the part that didn't take sides.
"We" around here could mean you are Irish but a UK Unionist.

Celly Smunt

brummytom wrote: »

I wouldn't wear the flag and I live in Britain...

That's actually one thing i noticed in england myself,you'll always see english flags flying from peoples houses etc but never a union flag

wendell borton

Paparazzo wrote: »

There were a good few around last year, think it was for the queens visit. But pubs in dublin had union jacks outside them. Not sure what it is, but the union jack looks tacky. Think it's the over use as a pattern

DB10

Thats because its associated with extremist organisations like the BNP, Combat 18, The National Front and Rangers FC supporters. Most people don't want to be associated with that, and prefer the Scottish flag or St Georges Cross to represent them.

Tayla

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The really sad thing, is that you probably believe all this arrogant stuff.

What part of it is arrogant exactly?
I said I thought acknowledgment and education on their side could move us towards a new era in response to a poster who thought we should have moved into a new era as a result of the queens visit and us receiving a loan from Britain.

OldNotWIse

Paparazzo wrote: »

There were a good few around last year, think it was for the queens visit. But pubs in dublin had union jacks outside them. Not sure what it is, but the union jack looks tacky. Think it's the over use as a pattern

I think Geri Halliwell wearing a micro dress with the Union Jack design and her boobs spilling out over the top pretty much ruined the flag for everyone lol

EarlERizer

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Gabh mo leithscéal, The only part of your post that "took sides" was you saying you agree with Lord Such's point, which was about "brit bashing" and vitriol and hatred against Britain or England when in fact most of the vitriol here is against the Irish. I read all your post but didn't quote the part that didn't take sides.
"We" around here could mean you are Irish but a UK Unionist.

oh,your been serious :eek: ........... I'll reply proper when I've stopped laughing!

.......You need to read slower or with a calm mind...... I agreed with the 'sentiment' of the post in that the bull**** that comes from thread such as this (from all 3 sides) is laughable if not pathetic!

Carry On

Batsy

RichieC wrote: »

USSR flag is the best of the lot. and their anthem.

The USSR doesn't even exist.

LordSutch

blatantrereg wrote: »

It's since the 70's apparently. (As in according to my parents). Even coming up to the formation of the Irish Free State most Irish people didn't have such antipathy as this. Remember that Nationalists were only one faction among the rebels. People could fly a Union Jack in the southside of Dublin without provoking comment.

It all comes from the Troubles in the North really.

Agreed, my Dad used to tell me about the large support in Dublin for England in the 1966 World Cup, and then the troubles arrived, the poison set in, and everything changed, that is until the las few years (or so I thought)

blatantrereg wrote: »

Back to the original question: No I wouldn't wear a British flag. I'm not British. I wouldn't wear the flag of any other foreign country either. No difference for me.

Fair enough, but would you go to the extreme of hacking off the Union flag from your Reebok trainers? Or peeling off the Union flag from the inside of your motorcycle helmet (because you hate the flag sooo much)?

Samich

Jaayyyyysus, the responses in this thread are shocking.

They're feckin clothes, the year is 2012, get over it. Having to cover a little 2x1 cm patch, sounds so petty and small minded.

celtictiger32

would you wear clothing with the british flag on it

definately not!!! .........unless i was a butcher and needed an apron;)

Batsy

Bambi wrote: »

Well the welsh dont have their cross on it so they can just use the george cross instead

That's because the Welsh don't have a cross.

Batsy

Stripey Cat wrote: »

Will their flag change if the Scots leave?
http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/aug2007/union_flag.jpg

Which would be ironic considering that it was a Scotsman who came up with the idea for a Union Flag.

Fratton Fred

Cú Giobach wrote: »

Gabh mo leithscéal, The only part of your post that "took sides" was you saying you agree with Lord Such's point, which was about "brit bashing" and vitriol and hatred against Britain or England when in fact most of the vitriol here is against the Irish.

As I keep getting reminded (maybe it was even said in this thread) this is, of course, an Irish board and as such the Irish must not be insulted.

The Brits on the other hand must take all sorts of abuse because, well, this is an Irish board.

Vitriol towards the Brits is very rarely taken as such, almost as if it is totally acceptable to insult British people en masse (take the thread about QEII getting a new boat for example), which does lead to a lot of British posters getting somewhat annoyed and getting dragged into a pissing contest. I should know, I'm as guilty as anyone.

fryup

Bambi wrote: »

Well the welsh dont have their cross on it so they can just use the george cross instead

the welsh have a dragon not a cross

there was an attempt to adopt the welsh dragon onto the union jack but it never caught on

LordSutch

Feisar wrote: »

As I've said before the Union flag is the same as the Swastika to me.

Either you are being deliberately provocative? or you are filled with blind ignorant hate? whatever and whoever you are, that is a disgusting statement to make, and I say that as somebody who had family in WWII who witnessed at 1st hand the horrors of what the Nazi's did. The Swastika (in its Nazi guise) is a flag of evil, and you cannot honestly compare it (or what it represents) to the Union Flag.

Your post is a disgrace, and if I was a Mod . . .

Fratton Fred

Tayla wrote: »

What part of it is arrogant exactly?
I said I thought acknowledgment and education on their side could move us towards a new era in response to a poster who thought we should have moved into a new era as a result of the queens visit and us receiving a loan from Britain.

That the British should apologise (again) or that Irish history should be taught in British schools.

Why is it the British are expected to know all about 1916, the famine etc when the majority of Ireland doesn't even know its own history and, as demonstrated on various times in this thread, don't even know the difference between England and Britain.

Ghost Buster

SV wrote: »

Refusing to wear the flag is not the same thing as any of those.

......and having a flag on an item of clothing is not the same as 'wearing the flag'.
By your logic anyone who uses Tipex is a nazi sympathiser cos it has a german flag on it. :eek:

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

Either you are being deliberately provocative? or you are filled with blind ignorant hate? whatever and whoever you are, that is a disgusting statement to make, and I say that as somebody who had family in WWII who witnessed at 1st hand the horrors of what the Nazi's did. The Swastika (in its Nazi guise) is a flag of evil, and you cannot honestly compare it (or what it represents) to the Union Flag.

. . .

Yes, I'm sure the 500,000 or so killed in reprisals after the 1857 Rebellion in India would agree with you.

ejmaztec

celtictiger32 wrote: »

would you wear clothing with the british flag on it

definately not!!! .........unless i was a butcher and needed an apron;)

Already been done.

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure the 500,000 or so killed in reprisals after the 1857 Rebellion in India would agree with you.

Hi Nodin, you must have been tied up, its not like you to be late in having a dig at the British.

What regiments were in India at the time? Not Irish ones by any chance.

LordSutch

Nodin wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure the 500,000 or so killed in reprisals after the 1857 Rebellion in India would agree with you.

Ah, there you are