The Recession......your solutions?

ScumLord

yeppydeppy wrote: »

I say we replace the government with people like Michael O'Leary, Fergal Quinn, Tony O'Reilly and Michael Smurfit to run the country like a business. The place would be sorted out in no time.

Countries are basically run like big businesses, that's why they focus on money more than people. Putting the likes of O'Leary in charge of things will make those systems more economical and efficient but he may not take the human side of things into account.

AeoNGriM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

And here, in my opinion, is the biggest problem of all.....the idea that if you are in anyway positive at the moment it is because you are middle or upper class and have no clue what the poor misfortunate working classes are going through.

I'm certainly not middle class ( not working class either mind). I just don't honestly see the point in being bitter and constantly whining about we all knew would be tough times.

My own main solution would to stop feeling sorry for ourselves, realise that compare a lot of contries in the world we are privilaged and start being proactive and looking to the future.

So basically your solution is to do absolutely fcukall?

Logical Fallacy

AeoNGriM wrote: »

So basically your solution is to do absolutely fcukall?

Don't you know...just feeling better about things fixes everything.

WoollyRedHat

My idea is that the government should take out about 10 million or whatever, go to the bookies and place it on a 2/1 stake, and then keep on repeating, it will be a sure thing and we'll be rich in no time and can go back to purchasing nice apartments in Marbella.

billybudd

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes that's exactly what I mean :rolleyes:

As I said I know there are those who are genuinely in need of help. And yes we need to do something to fix what's happening.

But that's not going to happen if everytime the government implements new ( and yes harsh) measures people moan and complain and protest.

Enda K never promised an easy ride, we need to stop acting as though he did and is now going back on his word.

Edna Kenny and his political friends would promise the world to gain power, they have broken a hell of a lot of promises to a hell of allot of people, in fact at this stage they have broken more promises than what they have made and hide behind the safety net of the EU and IMF, honestly if they had made speeches with the honesty and brutality of what was needed to be done for this country to get back on its feet then they still would have won the election and maybe people would still have some belief in politics, instead like those that have gone before they lied and we as people have the right to complain after all their wages come from the public coffers. You should look up what financial stress can do to a persons mind and then maybe you won’t have the same easy going attitude you have now. The social and mental health problems that this recession is causing will last decades and will be devastating.

TheZohanS

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I have a job but still live at home because I can't afford to move out. My parents are the reason I have roof over my head. I don't have transport because again I can't afford a car at the moment. I don't pay the bills but I support myself.

I have struggled too. I just think that being bitter and all doom-and-gloom about things won't help anything.

We are in tough time but the country is not about to fall apart just yet.

The country has fallen apart for people that have lost their jobs and do not have the option of moving home Audrey. You're a very lucky girl to have that option.

I recall reading about a family where both the husband and wife had lost their jobs and they had two kids and a mortgage to look after. Now that's a struggle, living with mammy and daddy isn't, it's an easy life for the most part.

yeppydeppy

ScumLord wrote: »

Countries are basically run like big businesses, that's why they focus on money more than people. Putting the likes of O'Leary in charge of things will make those systems more economical and efficient but he may not take the human side of things into account.

That's why I'd have Fergal Quinn in there and a few more - to give some balance.

foxyboxer

Negotiate a long term repayment plan with the Troika like Germany's War reparations. The interest rate on the loans need to be slashed and repaid over a multi-generational period.*






* Never going to happen though.

ScumLord

yeppydeppy wrote: »

That's why I'd have Fergal Quinn in there and a few more - to give some balance.

You won't get that in Ireland what you'll get is two sides arguing with each other just for the sake of arguing and nothing will get done.

Irish people don't have the social skills to run this country properly. We'll just have to wait another 50 years.

Johnny Foreigner

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Everytime the government introduces an new tax or cut or rise in price or possibility of a bailout as a method of combatting the recession there is an outpouring of moaning and protesting against. But I have yet to see offer anyone a viable solution. And no taxing the super rich only or cutting only TDs salaries do not count.

So I ask my fellow Boardsies/AHers, what would you do if you were Taoiseach/TD? If the Government is not allowed to bring more cuts/taxes/price raises/bailouts then what can they do?

Lets have some genuine answers please, not the usual 'tax the rich, cut TDs salaries' cop outs.

1. Go back to using the Irish Punt instead of the Euro.
2. Ireland leaves the EU and gets back its sovereignty.
3. Ireland has zero tolerance on non EU immigrants.

Eric Cartman

fedor.2. wrote: »

Fair play to ya, you've just typed the stupidest post ive ever read. I salute you.

you obviously have never read marx then. Please enlighten me as to why you think any of what I have said is 'stupid'

44leto

Its all about confidence and getting that feel good factor going again.

So all we have to do is add prozac to the drinking water,,simples,,

Nolanger

Re-open the closed head shops and tax everything they sell.

Phill Ewinn

Nolanger wrote: »

Re-open the closed head shops and tax everything they sell.

Could do with some head right now.

Jesus Wept

I'd fix the place up.
Vote for me.

Eric Cartman

starbelgrade wrote: »

Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

explain ?

Benny_Cake

Eric Cartman wrote: »

cut all benefits down to just food stamps, privatize everything, sell everything off, reduce the size of government to a bare minimum, dont give the banks any money, leave the euro and base a currency on gold. Close Irelands borders, kick out any non national without a job, abolish VRT, lower VAT to 20%, abolish the USC, remove the carbon tax on fuel, increase DIRT to 75%, lower the price of cigarettes and drink to 2005 levels. Let the offo's open 24/7. Remove the housing tax. Abolish the minimum wage. Abolish the RSA, the PSA and any other regulatory body preventing access into a profession. Tax religions, sell off all the assets in NAMA, kill the TV licence and sell RTE's production end. Convert any tax/duty on diesel to VAT to help businesses.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

you obviously have never read marx then. Please enlighten me as to why you think any of what I have said is 'stupid'

For one thing, how would abolishing the RSA help us out of the recession? Or how would allowing 24 hour off licences help us out of the recession?

Nailz

Quantitative easing; with zero obligation and zero interest. But of course everything has to be far more complex than that for the ECB...

toexpress

Just stop paying social welfare

Nolanger

Make graduates who want to emigrate pay back their education grant!

44leto

Nolanger wrote: »

Make graduates who want to emigrate pay back their education grant!

Well at least we don't have to pay them dole.

Nolanger

Teach students in college how to create the own jobs/set up a business instead of expecting a job when they graduate.

My name is URL

Is there anything to be said for saying another Mass?

Sleepy

A new Sleepy tax. 50c to my bank account every time you go to sleep.

Crazy Horse 6

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I have a job but still live at home because I can't afford to move out. My parents are the reason I have roof over my head. I don't have transport because again I can't afford a car at the moment. I don't pay the bills but I support myself.

I have struggled too. I just think that being bitter and all doom-and-gloom about things won't help anything.

We are in tough time but the country is not about to fall apart just yet.

Eh the country has fell apart.

billybudd

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I have a job but still live at home because I can't afford to move out. My parents are the reason I have roof over my head. I don't have transport because again I can't afford a car at the moment. I don't pay the bills but I support myself.

I have struggled too. I just think that being bitter and all doom-and-gloom about things won't help anything.

We are in tough time but the country is not about to fall apart just yet.

How can you say you support yourself anyway? supporting yourself would be paying for your own housing and your own bills, neither of which you do. you seem to lack complete awareness.

simit

We should just declare war on the U.S. Have them invade and hopefully they'll intern our leaders in Guantanamo

noodler

billybudd wrote: »

How can you say you support yourself anyway? supporting yourself would be paying for your own housing and your own bills, neither of which you do. you seem to lack complete awareness.

A little ignorant yourself.

I know plenty of people my age who are currently being helped big time from income from their kids.

billybudd

noodler wrote: »

A little ignorant yourself.

I know plenty of people my age who are currently being helped big time from income from their kids.

How is it ignorant?


And i find nothing wrong with familys helping each other, i would encourage it.

TheZohanS

noodler wrote: »

A little ignorant yourself.

I know plenty of people my age who are currently being helped big time from income from their kids.

I think he was referring to her comment:

I don't pay the bills

That's not supporting yourself or helping out your folks.

noodler

TheZohan wrote: »

I think he was referring to her comment: That's not supporting yourself or helping out your folks.

Point taken. I didn't see the bills comment.

At the same time though, if the parents don't need your contibution and it allows the son/daughter time to save up some money for a place then what harm.

gurramok

starbelgrade wrote: »

In my own business, I've cut my fees quite a bit, yet there are still people who say that they're too expensive. Personally I don't give a fuck - I'm not that pushed for the work, but I know some people in the same business as me who are working at or below cost just to keep the doors open & the staff on their books. That is simply unsustainable & the absurd thing is that I work in an area of business that in essence a luxury service - the type of people who would employ my services actually have money but they're either afraid to spend it or are just penny pinching in the extreme.

You a pimp?? Hows the escort business these days?

Fizman

Legalise prostitution.

The above act alone would generate ridiculous sums of money for the gvnt.
- Every premises needs a license (e.g. €5,000 per annum)
- Every prostitute/gigolo needs a permit/license (e.g. €1,000 per annum)
- Government claim VAT back from every 'ride' (e.g. ride is €100.....the gvnt get 23 bucks for EVERY act.....EVERY night!)
- Every licensed prostitute must have an STI check every 3 months
- Client knows he is dealing with clean girls
- ??????
- Profit
- Giggidy giggidy goo


But no, don't don't any of the above because it wouldn't be the Catholic thing to do. Instead of raising hundreds of millions per annum, let's introduce a property tax.....p1ss everyone off by the notion of it.......but never actually receive the measily 0.2 billion (rough estimate) we would get if everyone paid up.

TheZohanS

Fizman wrote: »

Legalise prostitution.

The above act alone would generate ridiculous sums of money for the gvnt.
- Every premises needs a license (e.g. €5,000 per annum)
- Every prostitute/gigolo needs a permit/license (e.g. €1,000 per annum)
- Government claim VAT back from every 'ride' (e.g. ride is €100.....the gvnt get 23 bucks for EVERY act.....EVERY night!)
- Every licensed prostitute must have an STI check every 3 months
- Client knows he is dealing with clean girls
- ??????
- Profit
- Giggidy giggidy goo


But no, don't don't any of the above because it wouldn't be the Catholic thing to do. Instead of raising hundreds of millions per annum, let's introduce a property tax.....p1ss everyone off by the notion of it.......but never actually receive the measily 0.2 billion (rough estimate) we would get if everyone paid up.

Could legalise abortion too. But make it so that it can't be done on the medical card.

The above act alone would generate ridiculous sums of money for the gvnt.
- Every premises needs a license (e.g. €5,000 per annum)
- Every doctor needs a permit/license (e.g. €1,000 per annum)
- Government claim VAT back from every 'abortion'
- ??????
- Profit

billybudd

At the same time though, if the parents don't need your contibution and it allows the son/daughter time to save up some money for a place then what harm.[/QUOTE]


Nothing wrong with it at all, if you read through the thread then perhaps you can see why i was being harsh.

Fizman

TheZohan wrote: »

Could legalise abortion too. But make it so that it can't be done on the medical card.

The above act alone would generate ridiculous sums of money for the gvnt.
- Every premises needs a license (e.g. €5,000 per annum)
- Every doctor needs a permit/license (e.g. €1,000 per annum)
- Government claim VAT back from every 'abortion'
- ??????
- Profit

Holy-sh1t balls Batman......I've just thought of a little trick that will make this country the richest in the universe.

1. Implement my plan
2. Implement yours
3. Sabotage condoms
4. Party like it's 1999 (e.g. happier times).

TheZohanS

Fizman wrote: »

Holy-sh1t balls Batman......I've just thought of a little trick that will make this country the richest in the universe.

1. Implement my plan
2. Implement yours
3. Sabotage condoms
4. Party like it's 1999 (e.g. happier times).

No need to sabotage condoms at all, put a

1. €30 tax on each packet of condoms
2. €100 tax on morning after pill
3. €5k tax on having a kid
4. Profit

xclw

i think i would try and undo what fianna fáil did and try and get the profit from the natural gas field that Shell get 100% of. it's our natural gas worth millions and yet we don't even get 1% or profit from it

General General

Has anyone suggested printing loads of euros, y'know, the ones with the T on the serial number, or.... or.... or.... even better, print loads of euros with an X on the serial number... or... or... or.... even better, print loads of euros with a Q or maybe a J on the serial number... how we will all laugh out loud when our euro-cousins try figuring out where all these fu.cken notes are coming from... especially the Q ones.

hattoncracker

Firstly, I would cut the dole.. Not a popular decision, but its way higher than it needs to be. If people in the UK can survive on £60 a week, then people in Ireland can take a cut of even €20 a week.
Means test it, as in if people still live at home with their parents, give them less because they're not paying rent, and make it mandatory for landlords to accept rent allowance.

Investigate benefit fraud, its rampant. People are claiming for stuff that they aren't entitled to, and making it way harder for people who actually need the money to get it. If they'd spent more time investigating this then they might not have had to make cuts to carer's allowance, etc.

Taxing the rich in Ireland won't work, most of these richest of the rich have their hands in a lot of Multinationals in Ireland, and they'll just pull and go elsewhere if that starts happening.

No college fees, I don't care what it costs the government, it's a sound investment for our future. Companies wishing to settle here need a workforce that are qualified. 80% of software engineers in Ireland are outsourced from different countries because we don't have the graduates to fill the positions.

Morrisseeee

hattoncracker wrote: »

Taxing the rich in Ireland won't work

Taxing the less well off won't work either, the well will run dry very soon.

As regards a solution, I think we should do something with Transport. Most families have 2 cars, and the cost of buying these cars & running them is astronomical (initial cost/insurance/tax/NCT/service/tolls/petrol/parts etc). A possible solution might be to revamp our rail network, employ people building new networks & maintainance/service/admin, the investment will eventually be paid back.

We need the people (gobsheens) in power to be more creative, come up with ideas that will generate jobs & growth, & not creative in applying more TAX on an already weakened & hurting population.

TheZohanS

hattoncracker wrote: »

Firstly, I would cut the dole.. Not a popular decision, but its way higher than it needs to be. If people in the UK can survive on £60 a week, then people in Ireland can take a cut of even €20 a week.
Means test it, as in if people still live at home with their parents, give them less because they're not paying rent, and make it mandatory for landlords to accept rent allowance.

Investigate benefit fraud, its rampant. People are claiming for stuff that they aren't entitled to, and making it way harder for people who actually need the money to get it. If they'd spent more time investigating this then they might not have had to make cuts to carer's allowance, etc.

Taxing the rich in Ireland won't work, most of these richest of the rich have their hands in a lot of Multinationals in Ireland, and they'll just pull and go elsewhere if that starts happening.

No college fees, I don't care what it costs the government, it's a sound investment for our future. Companies wishing to settle here need a workforce that are qualified. 80% of software engineers in Ireland are outsourced from different countries because we don't have the graduates to fill the positions.

Let me guess, you're not on the dole, are possibly in receipt of some rent allowance and are currently in college?

So tax everything that doesn't effect me?

Eric Cartman

Benny_Cake wrote: »

For one thing, how would abolishing the RSA help us out of the recession? Or how would allowing 24 hour off licences help us out of the recession?

saves money on a useless service

gives people the chance to spend more money - more tax revenue , and generates jobs

Giblet

Kill the poor.

Robdude

Leave the country.

Get a job in a new country that pays more, has less taxes, and a lower cost of living.

Robdude

hattoncracker wrote: »

Firstly, I would cut the dole.. Not a popular decision, but its way higher than it needs to be. If people in the UK can survive on £60 a week, then people in Ireland can take a cut of even €20 a week.
Means test it, as in if people still live at home with their parents, give them less because they're not paying rent, and make it mandatory for landlords to accept rent allowance.

Investigate benefit fraud, its rampant. People are claiming for stuff that they aren't entitled to, and making it way harder for people who actually need the money to get it. If they'd spent more time investigating this then they might not have had to make cuts to carer's allowance, etc.

Taxing the rich in Ireland won't work, most of these richest of the rich have their hands in a lot of Multinationals in Ireland, and they'll just pull and go elsewhere if that starts happening.

No college fees, I don't care what it costs the government, it's a sound investment for our future. Companies wishing to settle here need a workforce that are qualified. 80% of software engineers in Ireland are outsourced from different countries because we don't have the graduates to fill the positions.

I gotta disagree. Free college just turns it into a big party where the slackers ruin things for the kids who want to learn and be successful.

Nolanger

Also, the education system is dumbed down enough already without letting everyone in. It's not the college's fault that we don't have the software engineers. Apart from some brains, nothing else stopping people teaching programming skills themsleves?

Robdude

Nolanger wrote: »

Also, the education system is dumbed down enough already without letting everyone in. It's not the college's fault that we don't have the software engineers. Apart from some brains, nothing else stopping people teaching programming skills themsleves?

Software is probably a unique example because of how (comparatively) easy it is to learn on your own. You can watch all of the lectures/get all of the materials used at the best Universities (like MIT) for free. You can get countless books, countless examples, countless tools, all for free.

If you can afford a basic computer and internet connection - you have everything you need to achieve a PhD level understanding in Software Engineering/Computer Science.

I think a lot of other subjects would require hands-on training, labs, and expensive equipment.

Doc Ruby

Nolanger wrote: »

Also, the education system is dumbed down enough already without letting everyone in. It's not the college's fault that we don't have the software engineers. Apart from some brains, nothing else stopping people teaching programming skills themsleves?

There's no problem with maintaining standards. There's a big problem with situations like you get in America, where someone that wants to better themselves and should be capable of doing so can't for financial reasons.

AudreyHepburn

TheZohan wrote: »

I think he was referring to her comment: That's not supporting yourself or helping out your folks.

I haven't given anything to the folks up till now because I have had no job and so no money.

Now I'm working I will of course give them something.

If you think I sponge of parents and sit on my ass being waited on hand and foot you're sorely mistaken.

I fund every aspect of my life myself.