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Im not paying household charge
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You need to get your priorities right.
I'm a rural person. If rural people have to change their septic tank it means that their septic tank is causing pollution to the groundwater in the area.
How would you like to have raw sewage leaking into your drinking water? That, in effect, is what happens to the source of my drinking water when a local septic tank malfunctions.....or is never installed.....and that's why I have to have a permanent U/V filter on the outlet from my well.
If rural people have to change their septic tank then frankly, I dont care what it costs them.
If your family had been ill because of pollution to groundwater caused by local malfunctioning septic tanks, you'd probably feel the same way.
I agree with you. If a tank is polluting the area it should be fixed. Im referring to the inspection charge €100 plus a further €200 if you want a second opinion on the findings, then even if everything is ok the constantly increasing taxes / charges year after year after year that will be added.
Some people will decide to pay any price of course, but more and more people are getting to the point where that are saying enough is enough. The Don't Register - Don't Pay campaign is getting stronger and stronger. Lets see what happens.0 -
I don't intend to register but probably won't take much for me to bottle it. A previous poster said if we didn't want cuts to our services then we need to pay.. The problem for me is the cutbacks are happening, and threatened worse for next few years.
Reckless capitalism by speculators cost the country, but it's the working families that is expected to pay again, and again and again for their mistake.0 -
It's not very socialist to oppose a social tax, if anything it sounds more libertarian.0
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dont bottle it ,you are one of many thousands who are going to opose this unjust tax.Wat house holdcharges are you going to pay for,you pay for bins,ur going to pay for water and firebrigade,so wat is it for....oh yes registering for property charges,i dont think so ,its time to make a stand.dooferoaks wrote: »I don't intend to register but probably won't take much for me to bottle it. A previous poster said if we didn't want cuts to our services then we need to pay.. The problem for me is the cutbacks are happening, and threatened worse for next few years.
Reckless capitalism by speculators cost the country, but it's the working families that is expected to pay again, and again and again for their mistake.0 -
we already pay ,it called tax.The government is funded by the people and always had been so be it now or 1930's, 1990's or whenever, the government as you so inelegantly put it has always been "sponging off the people".
For that matter any government that has taken tax has done the same and this goes back to the Roman Empire, governments charge tax's....they are not intended to be "clever".
They are a charge for services that you are provided with, street lighting, healthcare, police forces, roads, greenbelts (woods etc) all have to be funded one way or another.
Do you expect it to be free or would you prefer cut backs in these things?
So perhaps we should turn off all street lighting after 9pm to save on that, privatize all our public lands and parks, that'll save money too. We can't grow money from tree's so sadly it has to come from somewhere.
I find it so amusing that people first blaimed FF for all this (yet dispite the problems are worldwide), this showed how short sighted people were, then they voted FG and Labour in expecting something different and shock that didn't happen.
Bottom line is somebody has to make the very hard and crap decisions, it doesn't matter that FG and the like could previous talk the talk we all saw when they got into power they realised the hard decisions also,
If people think the likes of Sinn Fein would be different then they are only fooling themselves.
Yes certainly changes could be made (for example RTE should be cut loose and have to fend for themselves instead of relying on the tv license fund), but still they'll be a shortfall.
Yes you are mistaken, as much as I dislike the tv license fee its not another charge it is merely being rebranded....so instead of a tv license fee it'll be a broadcasting fee and even if you have no tv you'll have to pay it (it effectively covers internet and smart phone access).
it won't be in addition to the tv license fee, it'll replace it, this has been on the books for years...ever since streaming started becoming more popular on-line.
imho I see it as a internet tax but thats a subject for another thread as its off-topic in this0 -
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Well thought out response, good job, its clear as day exactly which part you are responding to as well.
Im with you on this.
By the way public meeting on 7th February in Tower Hotel at 8.00pm against the household charge. Open to everyone so a big crowd expected.
A motion calling on city manager not to engage in legal action against people who don't pay the tax is being debated by waterford city council on Monday 13th February.
A picket in support of the motion and of councillors opposed to the tax will be held outside city hall from 4.00pm to 5.30pm. All oponents to the tax asked to come along and show their support.0 -
Local property taxes put more responsibility directly to local citizens. Generated locally, regulated locally and appropriated locally they compel the payer to be more active in their local political structure. The current system where reps are elected to go to Dublin to get a slice of a pie is far from transparent, easy to distort and as we're seen very unaccountable.
Nations that are now taking our unemployed practice local accountability at a level that's completely alien to Kilkenny. It's like Irish society want all the benefits of government but none of the responsibilities.
The fact that only a few hundred protesters marched against the bank bailout two years ago confirms that Irish society is only interested in personal interests when it comes to accountability in public office. It prefers to practice collective individualism.
Too many believe that government is their means to live at everyone elses expense. Societies thrive on thrust, abusing that thrust by neglect of its politics condemns societies to decay. To sum up, Irish society put its prosperity before its principles and lost the former and is now in the process of losing the latter.0 -
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@OP: So basically you're leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab for you?
I've paid mine...and to be honest I'm sick of spongers who don't pay theirs despite being able to do so.
Pick up what tab? It's only 100 euro per person and you've already paid it! Your duty is done!
I hope you're not suggesting that the government would charge you *more* than they originally said they would! :eek: It would be ever so immoral of them to increase the charge, having promised not to do so, now that they have set the precedent!
I'm a student from a financially stable family, soon to have a degree in one of the few stable industries left in the country, so perhaps my opinion is a li'l unrealistic. This argument seems to be me to be an excellent example of the problems in this country.
On the pro-charge side, there's the argument that we all have to do our bit for the country we live in. It is currently a bit ****ed, and belt tightening is the only real solution (the 'unreal' solutions of "fuk-da-banks", "fuk-da-EU" and selling bits of Bertie's corpse to the highest bidder are more enthusiasm than thought process). If people wish to leave they are entitled to, but if they wish to stay perhaps they need to take the bad with the good.
On the anti-charge side, we have the argument that entering into the great economic cluster-**** wasn't really our decision and we shouldn't have to foot the bill. Unfortunately, nothing we do is ever really our decision and if we undid everything the government ("The Man") ever did without our consent we'd be in a much different situation.
We can at best vote for a lesser of many evils, although even that is somewhat pointless, as evidenced by the massive Fine Gael vote in the general election and the Sean Gallagher vote in the presidential elections. Until we get past the idiotic notions of "but he fixed the roads!", "shur me father voted for him!" and "better the devil we know than some looney left-winger" we're just going to keep the old familiar Fianna Fail -> FG coalition circle going ad nauseum. Did nobody ever stop to think that the people who were ousted by Fianna Fail for being too **** in the late 80s, were the best replacement for Fianna Fail when their ****ness once again became apparent? Not that it matters, of course. The same people voting for the same party, the other people who bounce back and forth between the safe options and the handful who look beyond a party name.
For my part, when i graduate and get the house, the car, the job, "the ****ing big television", i'll be happy to pay my taxes if i see that they are going to good uses and that I am seeing some benefit from them. However, i would prefer a single, proper, honest taxation system that taxes me based on my income and assets and not sneaky household charges and excessive v.a.t. that **** everyone equally, and the people who don't deserve it the most. I especially don't like bundling in the t.v. license. No, i don't have a television - Yes, i do have a computer - Yes, i do watch television programs online. Do i watch RTE programs online? No. Because free shite is still shite.0 -
spoonbadger wrote: »Pick up what tab? It's only 100 euro per person and you've already paid it! Your duty is done!
I hope you're not suggesting that the government would charge you *more* than they originally said they would! :eek: It would be ever so immoral of them to increase the charge, having promised not to do so, now that they have set the precedent!
I'm a student from a financially stable family, soon to have a degree in one of the few stable industries left in the country, so perhaps my opinion is a li'l unrealistic. This argument seems to be me to be an excellent example of the problems in this country.
On the pro-charge side, there's the argument that we all have to do our bit for the country we live in. It is currently a bit ****ed, and belt tightening is the only real solution (the 'unreal' solutions of "fuk-da-banks", "fuk-da-EU" and selling bits of Bertie's corpse to the highest bidder are more enthusiasm than thought process). If people wish to leave they are entitled to, but if they wish to stay perhaps they need to take the bad with the good.
On the anti-charge side, we have the argument that entering into the great economic cluster-**** wasn't really our decision and we shouldn't have to foot the bill. Unfortunately, nothing we do is ever really our decision and if we undid everything the government ("The Man") ever did without our consent we'd be in a much different situation.
We can at best vote for a lesser of many evils, although even that is somewhat pointless, as evidenced by the massive Fine Gael vote in the general election and the Sean Gallagher vote in the presidential elections. Until we get past the idiotic notions of "but he fixed the roads!", "shur me father voted for him!" and "better the devil we know than some looney left-winger" we're just going to keep the old familiar Fianna Fail -> FG coalition circle going ad nauseum. Did nobody ever stop to think that the people who were ousted by Fianna Fail for being too **** in the late 80s, were the best replacement for Fianna Fail when their ****ness once again became apparent? Not that it matters, of course. The same people voting for the same party, the other people who bounce back and forth between the safe options and the handful who look beyond a party name.
For my part, when i graduate and get the house, the car, the job, "the ****ing big television", i'll be happy to pay my taxes if i see that they are going to good uses and that I am seeing some benefit from them. However, i would prefer a single, proper, honest taxation system that taxes me based on my income and assets and not sneaky household charges and excessive v.a.t. that **** everyone equally, and the people who don't deserve it the most. I especially don't like bundling in the t.v. license. No, i don't have a television - Yes, i do have a computer - Yes, i do watch television programs online. Do i watch RTE programs online? No. Because free shite is still shite.
Surely, you mean IF you 'get the house, the car the job, the big telly...': Nothing's a given. 'Sneaky' taxes are what the governments of the world consider anti-avoidance taxes; i.e. Everybody pays, regardless of their financial situations. I don't work, I'm not on the dole (mostly because I hate the process of being made feel like I'm a conning the public, having gone through it so often in the past), I live on my savings from what was a well-paid job and yet I'm being f'ked up the ar$e the same as everybody else.
Ultimately, you get very little for your labours; You pay income taxes, social taxes, VAT, DIRT (if you've anything left to save!)... and you get nothing but a fat-bellied politician looking at you on the state TV channel that you're forced to pay for). Peasants revolt? Anyone?0
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