Dash cam saves your ass (no Roundabout stuff please :)

RandomAccess

Van driver facing my direction was unimpressed,
Cyclist was wary also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utcuG_DUT8w

josip

dickwod1 wrote: »

How not to enter a garage from a three lane duel carriageway ...

Are those solid white lines between the middle and left lanes?
Do they serve any purpose?

dickwod1

josip wrote: »

Are those solid white lines between the middle and left lanes?
Do they serve any purpose?

It was a bus lane now a slip road for the train station/bridge, never burnt off the fat bus lane lines when they redone the lanes.

wonski

josip wrote: »

Are those solid white lines between the middle and left lanes?
Do they serve any purpose?

Randomly painted, as all our roads.

If you are thinking of getting petrol or a sandwich you stick to the left lane, not indicate and brake when you spot the petrol station.

CiniO

dickwod1 wrote: »

It was a bus lane now a slip road for the train station/bridge, never burnt off the fat bus lane lines when they redone the lanes.

Lines quite irrelevant.

But if there was no undertaking involved, there would be no confusing situation we can see in the video.

dickwod1

CiniO wrote: »

Lines quite irrelevant.

But if there was no undertaking involved, there would be no confusing situation we can see in the video.

Where is there undertaking? I'm at the 100m mark for my slip road and he slams on in the middle lane?

ardle1

RandomAccess wrote: »

One from last month since we're on a cycling theme,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmSKgNATPWI

Waow, that taxi driver has no excuse for not seeing the Cyclist..

josip

wonski wrote: »

Randomly painted, as all our roads.

If you are thinking of getting petrol or a sandwich you stick to the left lane, not indicate and brake when you spot the petrol station.

Is it a coincidence that they tried the maneuvre at exactly the point where the solid line finished and they interpreted it as "do not cross"?
I'm not making excuses for them not checking their side mirror.

CiniO

dickwod1 wrote: »

Where is there undertaking? I'm at the 100m mark for my slip road and he slams on in the middle lane?

Well, what I can see on the video is that you get closer and closer to him on left lane. When you are already very close (I assume you would undertake if he didn't do anything) then he decides to move left, indicated, starts to move, and in the last moment he discovers in his left mirror that you are there so he slams on the brakes. Pathetic on his side, but if you weren't trying to undertake him, it wouldn't happen.

wonski

josip wrote: »

Is it a coincidence that they tried the maneuvre at exactly the point where the solid line finished and they interpreted it as "do not cross"?
I'm not making excuses for them not checking their side mirror.

Like I said before - there was plenty of time (and broken lines) before he spotted the garage.

If you are thinking of getting petrol you go into the left lane before, not after you spot one.

dickwod1

CiniO wrote: »

Well, what I can see on the video is that you get closer and closer to him on left lane. When you are already very close (I assume you would undertake if he didn't do anything) then he decides to move left, indicated, starts to move, and in the last moment he discovers in his left mirror that you are there so he slams on the brakes. Pathetic on his side, but if you weren't trying to undertake him, it wouldn't happen.

LOL you could not be more wrong if you tried harder.

CiniO

ardle1 wrote: »

Waow, that taxi driver has no excuse for not seeing the Cyclist..

Are cyclists allowed to overtake on the left, when car is signalling left turn?

CiniO

dickwod1 wrote: »

LOL you could not be more wrong if you tried harder.

So how do you see this situation? Why did he slam on the brakes?

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

Well, what I can see on the video is that you get closer and closer to him on left lane. When you are already very close (I assume you would undertake if he didn't do anything) then he decides to move left, indicated, starts to move, and in the last moment he discovers in his left mirror that you are there so he slams on the brakes. Pathetic on his side, but if you weren't trying to undertake him, it wouldn't happen.

Watched it again - he braked before even indicating. Screeen shot below shows there was no undertaking:

dickwod1

CiniO wrote: »

So how do you see this situation? Why did he slam on the brakes?

Im in lane two, I'm taking the slip road (300m mark goes by) so I check indicate and move into lane 1 (200m mark goes by) I'm keeping to the same speed same distance next he slams on in the middle lane (brakes first indicates later) I step on the brakes to let him in. (van has to slam on too.)

wonski

ardle1 wrote: »

Waow, that taxi driver has no excuse for not seeing the Cyclist..

How do you pull over if there is a cyclist behind you then? Never?

If someone in front indicates left you shouldn't even try to undertake him.
Cyclists need to pay attention, too.

CiniO

wonski wrote: »

Watched it again - he braked before even indicating. Screeen shot below shows there was no undertaking:

dickwod1 wrote: »

Im in lane two, I'm taking the slip road (300m mark goes by) so I check indicate and move into lane 1 (200m mark goes by) I'm keeping to the same speed same distance next he slams on in the middle lane (brakes first indicates later) I step on the brakes to let him in. (van has to slam on too.)

I rewatched it again few times. Sorry for my earlier comment.
I agree with you now.

It just shows how misleading a dashcam video can be, and you really need to look at everything around to see sometimes even just basic stuff like who is accelerating and who is slowing down - very hard to tell from dashcam videos.

RandomAccess

CiniO wrote: »

Are cyclists allowed to overtake on the left, when car is signalling left turn?

The taxi signalled once the bike was already alongside. (just by a wheel)
Since bike was already alongside even marginally then I think the taxi could have just braked to let the bike past before signalling left.

Squeezing him like that was poor.

Cyclist did react, but probably should have been more defensive as it was clear taxi was going to crimp him! Cyclist was pretty unfazed by it.

CiniO

RandomAccess wrote: »

The taxi signalled once the bike was already alongside. (just by a wheel)
Since bike was already alongside even marginally then I think the taxi could have just braked to let the bike past before signalling left.

Squeezing him like that was poor.

Cyclist did react, but probably should have been more defensive as it was clear taxi was going to crimp him! Cyclist was pretty unfazed by it.

I must admit I'm not sure what the law is in Ireland about cyclists undertaking.
I cycle quiet a lot, but that's mostly mountain biking, so I don't ride on roads much.
However if I was that cyclist, I wouldn't rather try to undertake that taxi . If I've seen taxi indicating left, then definitely I wouldn't undertake. But even after seeing taxi slowing down I still wouldn't undertake.
Generally, leaving aside Rules of the Road I think that undertaking car on bicycle is dangerous and shouldn't be done. I don't think I've ever done that really.

Sobanek

dickwod1 wrote: »

LOL you could not be more wrong if you tried harder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECvs1C48gS4

ardle1

CiniO wrote: »

Are cyclists allowed to overtake on the left, when car is signalling left turn?

So your saying 'he seen the Cyclist'!?
Well if he did, he's an ignorant fcuk, the Cyclist was to close for him(car)to be an arsehole!?!?.

ardle1

wonski wrote: »

How do you pull over if there is a cyclist behind you then? Never?

If someone in front indicates left you shouldn't even try to undertake him.
Cyclists need to pay attention, too.

Soooooo, if there was a left turn should the taxi have continued with his 'manoeuvere'? regardless of the Cyclist!?

wonski

ardle1 wrote: »

Soooooo, if there was a left turn should the taxi have continued with his 'manoeuvere'? regardless of the Cyclist!?

You cannot undertake (overtake on the left) vehicle turning left.

Simple.

The cyclist was wrong and did not keep a safe distance between himself and a vehicle in front of him. He also tried to pass it on the inside when it was pulling over and indicating its intention.

Watch it again, please.

ardle1

wonski wrote: »

You cannot undertake (overtake on the left) vehicle turning left.

Simple.

The cyclist was wrong and did not keep a safe distance between himself and a vehicle in front of him. He also tried to pass it on the inside when it was pulling over and indicating its intention.

Watch it again, please.

No No.. I'm not watching it again, I think they came round the bend at similar speeds and I also think the driver seen the Cyclist... I think the driver was saying to him-self>>'can he not fcukin see me'? anyway as a 'professional' driver he should have let the Cyclist continue on........

wonski

ardle1 wrote: »

No No.. I'm not watching it again, I think they came round the bend at similar speeds and I also think the driver seen the Cyclist... I think the driver was saying to him-self>>'can he not fcukin see me'? anyway as a 'professional' driver he should have let the Cyclist continue on........

Why do you use capital C every time you type cyclist btw

Caliden

A cyclist can only undertake in slow moving traffic.

In the video there was no traffic ahead of the taxi therefore the cyclist was attempting an undertake, plain and simple.

He was 2-3 bike lengths behind the taxi when the indicator went on but kept going ahead with the undertake attempt.

If a moped/motorcycle tried that I don't see how anyone could defend it.

BMJD

dey dont even pay road tax Joe!

spurious

The taxi driver was aware the cyclist was there. He is driving a considerably larger and heavier vehicle. He decided to have a mickey measuring contest to squeeze the cyclist into the kerb. Nonsense from a grown adult. At least the cyclist has the cop not to carry it on.

GrumpyMe

Caliden wrote: »

A cyclist can only undertake in slow moving traffic.

In the video there was no traffic ahead of the taxi therefore the cyclist was attempting an undertake, plain and simple.

He was 2-3 bike lengths behind the taxi when the indicator went on but kept going ahead with the undertake attempt.

If a moped/motorcycle tried that I don't see how anyone could defend it.

Just for the hell of it - imagine the taxi is doing his driving test!
Now would he have received a demerit point for his driving?
I'd be surprised if it wasn't an instant fail!

CramCycle

CiniO wrote: »

Are cyclists allowed to overtake on the left, when car is signalling left turn?

wonski wrote: »

You cannot undertake (overtake on the left) vehicle turning left.

Cyclist was at the rear wheel when the indicators came on, if he was a metre further up the road he would not have seen the indicator at all. Great defensive cycling but the taxi driver should have stopped and waited to see what the cyclist was going to do as if the cyclist missed that indicator he would have been crushed.

Also cyclists are allowed overtake on the left, legally, from October 2012.

glic71rods46t0

CramCycle wrote: »

Also cyclists are allowed overtake on the left, legally, from October 2012.

But they are specifically prohibited from passing left turning traffic on the left. I love the selective quotes from the pro lycra brigade!

CramCycle

rw7h9gbvx5tozy wrote: »

But they are specifically prohibited from passing left turning traffic on the left. I love the selective quotes from the pro lycra brigade!

That's pretty much everyone, no selective quoting either, the only bit I left out was that traffic had to be slower moving but Physics does not really allow for any other type of overtake. My point was that the taxi only indicated when the cyclists was already at his rear wheel. It was sloppy observation on the taxis part IMO.

I am pro "no idiots or assh*ts on the road", after that I am not really pro anything in regards road use. Lycra, gets really uncomfortable after awhile in the car for me, I decided to leave the eighties behind and either go with trousers or shorts, but everyone to themselves.

PeteK*

BMJD wrote: »

dey dont even pay road tax Joe!

No one does :pac:

I pay motor tax :P

glic71rods46t0

CramCycle wrote: »

That's pretty much everyone, no selective quoting either, the only bit I left out was that traffic had to be slower moving but Physics does not really allow for any other type of overtake. My point was that the taxi only indicated when the cyclists was already at his rear wheel. It was sloppy observation on the taxis part IMO.

I am pro "no idiots or assh*ts on the road", after that I am not really pro anything in regards road use. Lycra, gets really uncomfortable after awhile in the car for me, I decided to leave the eighties behind and either go with trousers or shorts, but everyone to themselves.

You mentioned that cyclists are permitted to undertake i.e. pass on the left, since October 2012. You seem to be very pedantic in quoting the law when it suits your pro lycra agenda (in this and other forums). Your omission to mention the specific exclusion of undertaking left turning traffic was, in my opinion, deliberate and self(lycra) serving.
The rest of your post was, I assume, an attempt at humour - don't give up on that dream of breaking into stand up - never mind what everyone else says, you're hilarious;)

bear1

And this thread was going so well........

bear1

Just to get back onto the actual topic before a dashcam cycle version thread is opened, here is my last ditch attempt at providing 10mins of good footage

Whoops forgot the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oMK3hI-0Fs

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fail

punisher5112

Why can't this be footage only and seperate for discussion?

BMJD

edit: this is about the taxi thing

I'm not too sure that pulling up onto the footpath constitutes a "left turn".

In my humble opinion, Mr. Taxi was pulling over and he wasn't going to let Mr. Cyclist get in the way and delay him by about 1.3 seconds. It was discourteous and unnecessarily arseholeish. The sensible thing to do would have been for the taxi to indicate and then stop and let the cyclist decide which course of action to take.

Sterling Archer

I would post a clip from yesterday but I'm at work.

Caliden

BMJD wrote: »

edit: this is about the taxi thing

I'm not too sure that pulling up onto the footpath constitutes a "left turn".

In my humble opinion, Mr. Taxi was pulling over and he wasn't going to let Mr. Cyclist get in the way and delay him by about 1.3 seconds. It was discourteous and unnecessarily arseholeish. The sensible thing to do would have been for the taxi to indicate and then stop and let the cyclist decide which course of action to take.

At the same time it's not exactly smart to attempt to undertake a 1 tonne metal box.

Anyway as others have said, more videos!

Iwannahurl

The first one is an example of nearly lethal stupidity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obwpIrbLZ4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9o2JuZCbPY

b318isp

BMW doesn't want to get stuck behind a lorry, so sneaks around the outside...only to find stationary traffic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRASQGJF24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRASQGJF24&feature=youtu.be

BMJD

b318isp wrote: »

BMW doesn't want to get stuck behind a lorry, so sneaks around the outside...only to find stationary traffic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRASQGJF24&feature=youtu.be

EDIT: Can anyone tell me why the

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

embed doesn't seem to work for me?

you need to remove the "s" from "https://" in the embeddy things, or else just use the youtube ID, which is RfRASQGJF24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRASQGJF24

b318isp

BMJD wrote: »

you need to remove the "s" from "https://" in the embeddy things[/YOUTUBE]

Removing the s didn't help, but shortening the URL did. Tnx.

Nino Brown

What do you think lads, did I cop it in time?

Stinicker

Nino Brown wrote: »

What do you think lads, did I cop it in time?

Should read trois points What was the speedlimit of that road?, according to your carcam GPS you were doing 100km/h or below. May have just escaped, hopefully you did

Nino Brown

Stinicker wrote: »

Should read trois points What was the speedlimit of that road?, according to your carcam GPS you were doing 100km/h or below. May have just escaped, hopefully you did

It's the N4, so 80kmph is the limit. Three points now? I didn't know that. Thanks.

josip

Nino Brown wrote: »

What do you think lads, did I cop it in time?

I wouldn't be too hopeful.
I think you braked from 100kph+ 2 and a half lamposts away.
Which is 125m if I'm not mistaken.
I've read elsewhere that from 150m you're fair game.

Nino Brown

josip wrote: »

I wouldn't be too hopeful.
I think you braked from 100kph+ 2 and a half lamposts away.
Which is 125m if I'm not mistaken.
I've read elsewhere that from 150m you're fair game.

Awh, so close, I shouldn't have checked my rear view before braking!!:D