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I have also tested it. I was nowhere near screaming. Hyperbole will not help you get your point across.TooManyDogs wrote: »Yes. My husband always tested the intensity before we put it up and when he screamed while holding it at a little over half way up the scale we stopped using it.
What relevance does this have? Your dog had its collar caught in a tree.TooManyDogs wrote: »And then there's the day she got her collar caught on the branches of a tree within the shock zone, her screams brought me running out of the house, thank God I hadn't left for work.TooManyDogs wrote: »Alot of people who own these fences and test it on themselves do so before they put it on the dog for the very first time on the lowest setting but not again. I'd love for them to take the collar off the dog when it's at an intensity setting that keeps the dog in the garden in a few.months time and put it on their own neck then, I bet they'd be in pain.
Hyperbole. Link to the statistics that back up your claim of "alot".
"I bet they'd be in pain." This is not fact.TooManyDogs wrote: »I trained my dogs properly to the fence, I took the 2 weeks like the manual said and it still didn't work for most of my dogs. 2 continued to escape, and 1 shut down the minute the collar was put on her.
Your dogs were not trained properly by the very definition of the word from what you describe here.TooManyDogs wrote: »Of course you're going to know of people who think the collar is great but they can be really really limited, success depends on your dogs personality, how open your property boundaries are naturally, what temptations are within eyesight of your dog. You've heard from a couple of people here who had the fence system, trained their dogs properly and still had nothing but hassle with breaks in the line and escaping dogs so went back to traditional fencing.
The success is down to how you train your dog, much like every thing else.
Your definition of what is secure is different to other peoples, and it is not your decision to make as to who is allowed a dog.If securely fencing an area for your dog is not an option, then you shouldnt get a dog in the first place.
Thats your opinion. It is not fact.Electric shock collars are an easy, cruel (for the poor dog) way out for the owner and of course, as usual, its the dogs that suffer because the owner cant do the responsible thing:mad:People just want quick, cheap and easy fixes and not whats best for the dog.
They want whats easier and cheaper for them to sort, and shocking a dog
around its neck seems to be a common method and solution for irresponsible owners. Its disgraceful. These collars are actually banned in Wales, does that not count for something??
The two are not mutually exclusive - you can get something that is cheap, easy and best for the dog. Not getting nailed by a car is a pretty good thing for the dog.
So what if these are banned in wales? Have you actually looked at the reasoning for the ban?
Not all dog owner pretend their dogs are people.I honestly do wonder and ive said it before, how a dog owner can do this to their beloved pet, i really do....
This is not true in the slightest.A secure fence is an option for everyone
I would be interested to see the research on this.The chances of escape are many times higher with an electronic fence than a real one
There is the possibilty that that bill will be repealed also. A lot of things are possible, lets stick to what is actually the case though.But there is every possibility that they will be made illegal in the Animal Welfare Bill as they have in Wales.
Oh please.A friend of ours had one of these and their dog turned violent!
The OP asked for advice on these systems. He/she didn't ask for guesswork and blatant lies. Its fine if you dislike these systems, just don't make ridiculous statements like "The name says it all "shock" collar." <-- they aren't called shock collars
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Runawaybishop, please point out where i said dogs are people??
Dogs are living creatures that feel pain, so i would never, ever inflict pain intentionally on my dogs by shocking them with an electric shock because i cant be bothered to fence my garden to keep it in.
Secure fencing is an option for everyone, whether it be fencing with wooden fencing or building a dog run in an area of the garden, how would it not be an option, please explain that to me?0 -
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Runawaybishop, please point out where i said dogs are people??
Dogs are living creatures that feel pain, so i would never, ever inflict pain intentionally on my dogs by shocking them with an electric shock because i cant be bothered to fence my garden to keep it in.
Secure fencing is an option for everyone, whether it be fencing with wooden fencing or building a dog run in an area of the garden, how would it not be an option, please explain that to me?
I must apologise, you did not say dogs were people in this thread.
Indeed, dogs are living creatures. That does not mean that a collar such as this is cruel. Animals use corrections that involve physical contact and pain all the time.
Secure fencing, like suggested in this thread, is only an option if you can afford it. Therefore it is not a reasonable option for everyone.TooManyDogs wrote: »I'd like you to point out the blatant lies
I have already addressed most of the points i felt needed addressing.0 -
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runawaybishop wrote: »I am asking for people to back up their statements. Otherwise this becomes farcical.
So practice what you preach
Give us the links ?
There is the suggestion that proper fencing is expensive. I did a little investigating & by using "half round" posts & rails covered in chicken wire the cost is around €15 per metre.
It's also very easy. Just put in the posts & fix the rails on the bottom so that they are about an inch off the ground. This is to stop the dog lifting the wire & getting underneath. Then attach a top rail so that the wire can't sag especially if the dog jumps up. Finally staple the chicken wire to the inside of the posts & rails. If it's a big dog then use chainlink instead of chicken wire.0 -
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So practice what you preach Give us the links ?
There is the suggestion that proper fencing is expensive. I did a little investigating & by using "half round" posts & rails covered in chicken wire the cost is around €15 per metre.
It's also very easy. Just put in the posts & fix the rails on the bottom so that they are about an inch off the ground. This is to stop the dog lifting the wire & getting underneath. Then attach a top rail so that the wire can't sag especially if the dog jumps up. Finally staple the chicken wire to the inside of the posts & rails. If it's a big dog then use chainlink instead of chicken wire.
I didnt make the initial claims, so the onus is not on me
Chicken wire isn't suitable fencing for many breeds i'm afraid, it would only suit a very small dog. You really need to be looking at chainlink which involves concreting in posts to support the weight. Its pretty expensive and time consuming to do.
At the price you quoted for the chicken wire (which seem very high, i would expect about 5 total per meter) it would cost me about 5 thousand euro. The fence would also not be stock proof so i would need additional wire and work (about 100 euro more though, so relatively not a lot more).
edit: chainlink is 75 euro for 25 meters - so 1k would be enough to fence my garden, not including stakes, concrete, additional wire and labour.0 -
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