Possible Irish SOPA Law? :/

Seachmall

gavmcg92 wrote: »

As far as I am concerned their hacks are based on a moral fabric that definitely excludes them from the title of "black hat" hackers

Their recent hacks and DDoS attacks tend to be for moral or ethical issues but often cross the line of legality. This is what makes them Grey Hat.

White Hat is either employed by the company or informs the company silently of vulnerabilities after the fact. Anon are not known, nor ever have been known, to do this.

They have, and still do, engage in Black Hat attacks. The theft of Symantec's source code in 2006, which was only recently brought to light, was clearly Black Hat. The attack of HBGarry was, arguably, for self-interest and not for clearly moral or ethically reasons thus it could be argued that that was a Black Hat attack.

Their use of Botnets, either rented or owned, is, regardless of what they use them for, also Black Hat as it puts the owner of those machines at risk from prosecution. A Grey Hat alternative would be a voluntary Botnet (which they have used in the past).

They are undoubtedly Grey Hat. And a stronger argument that they are Black Hat could be made than an argument that they're White Hat.


Anyway, all that is beside the issue. And another FB copypasta I came across;

Just another mention of the Stop SOPA Ireland petition. If you haven't signed it already please do. It'll literally take less than 15 seconds. Even if you're not fully sure of what it is or what it'll do trust that signing it will help in protecting your unfiltered, unmonitored access to the internet.

So far the 70,000+ signatures have helped in gaining publicity for the issues the legislation proposes. It has gotten mention on the RTE News, Primetime (with a promise of more coverage), been written about in the Irish Times, Wired, Silicon Republic, etc. and forced Junior Minister Sherlock to debate it on Drive Time, Today with Pat Kenny, in the Dail (with another Dail debate promised), and made him publish the most recent draft (the bill isn't even completed despite the fact it's introduction into law is "imminent"!).

You'd have it signed in less time it took for you to read this.
Also, please share this so others can sign it too.

I'm not exaggerating when I say this bill will affect YOU should it pass, and not in a good way.

The_Thing

Support Online Piracy Activities

gu22222

OK, I have given my position regarding this new internet legislation. However, I just want to clarify, I do not support internet piracy. I think it is wrong. But I have fears about how far this legislation could go, and thus, I do not support bad law.

gu22222

Also, I do not support child pornography. I think it is wrong.

batistuta9

Seachmall wrote: »

Their recent hacks and DDoS attacks tend to be for moral or ethical issues but often cross the line of legality. This is what makes them Grey Hat.

White Hat is either employed by the company or informs the company silently of vulnerabilities after the fact. Anon are not known, nor ever have been known, to do this.

They have, and still do, engage in Black Hat attacks. The theft of Symantec's source code in 2006, which was only recently brought to light, was clearly Black Hat. The attack of HBGarry was, arguably, for self-interest and not for clearly moral or ethically reasons thus it could be argued that that was a Black Hat attack.

Their use of Botnets, either rented or owned, is, regardless of what they use them for, also Black Hat as it puts the owner of those machines at risk from prosecution. A Grey Hat alternative would be a voluntary Botnet (which they have used in the past).

They are undoubtedly Grey Hat. And a stronger argument that they are Black Hat could be made than an argument that they're White Hat.

their not grey hat at all, grey hat's would expose vulnerabilities and most of the time make them known to the companies, they haven't got permission to do it but do it anyway(some white hat's may even cross this line), a lot of them don't do it with any intentions to gain from it.

just because their doing something that's morally correct doesn't make them grey hat and there's not a hope in hell they can be called white hat

Seachmall

batistuta9 wrote: »

their not grey hat at all, grey hat's would expose vulnerabilities and most of the time make them known to the companies, they haven't got permission to do it but do it anyway(some white hat's may even cross this line),

Such as The HBGarry and Gawker attacks.

And by your definition CDC would be Black Hat, but you'd be pushed to find someone agree with that.

a lot of them don't do it with any intentions to gain from it.

Everybody gains something otherwise they wouldn't do it. Could be for ego or ethical reasons, but they intend to gain somehow from the attack and disclosure of the attack.

MrVestek

Grey hat, yellow hat, purple hat... who the fúck cares? Stop arguing semantics and derailing the thread.

batistuta9

Seachmall wrote: »

Such as The HBGarry and Gawker attacks.

And by your definition CDC would be Black Hat, but you'd be pushed to find someone agree with that.

you think this is grey hat?

It has been an embarrassing week for security firm HBGary and its HBGary Federal offshoot. HBGary Federal CEO Aaron Barr thought he had unmasked the hacker hordes of Anonymous and was preparing to name and shame those responsible for co-ordinating the group's actions, including the denial-of-service attacks that hit MasterCard, Visa, and other perceived enemies of WikiLeaks late last year.

When Barr told one of those he believed to be an Anonymous ringleader about his forthcoming exposé, the Anonymous response was swift and humiliating. HBGary's servers were broken into, its e-mails pillaged and published to the world, its data destroyed, and its website defaced. As an added bonus, a second site owned and operated by Greg Hoglund, owner of HBGary, was taken offline and the user registration database published.

link full article

with gawker publishing passwords online is that grey hat?

Seachmall wrote: »

Everybody gains something otherwise they wouldn't do it. Could be for ego or ethical reasons, but they intend to gain somehow from the attack and disclosure of the attack.

your probably right there, everyone does things for a reason but i meant more in a financial way - and some of them probably do gain financially from it as well

batistuta9

Achilles wrote: »

Grey hat, yellow hat, purple hat... who the fúck cares? Stop arguing semantics and derailing the thread.

symantec would probably employ white hat hackers

Seachmall

batistuta9 wrote: »

you think this is grey hat?

with gawker publishing passwords online is that grey hat?

They published their methodologies and findings of both attacks. Full Disclosure is characteristic of Grey Hats, not Black Hats.

Dara Robinson

Whats with the hats people? Who cares ffs! Seriously, regardless its a matter of opinion that has been debated now for almost 40 pages of thread on and off.
Can we stay on topic?

Speaking of topic, I created a FB page for people to join in on the fight. Its a place to share links, videos and especially organise events. We dont have much time on this Irish SOPA thing so we need to get active asap. Please join in and pass it on to others
http://www.facebook.com/IrishAntiSOPAantiACTAcommunity

gavmcg92

email from dessie ellis

Gavin a chara, Thank you for your email on this very important issues. I was one of the first TD's to raise the issue in the house and have followed subsequent discussion with great interest.
Sinn Féin have called on the Government to have a full debate in the Dáil on measures governing access to the internet. This was in response to an interview with the Minister responsible Seán Sherlock which left many questions to be answered regarding the implications of the legislation.

The Minister is claiming that he needs to act in order to reflect both a recent Court judgement and two EU directives, he appears to be pretty vague regarding the implications of what he is proposing. Experts in the field are taking a diametrically opposed view to that of the Minister.

There is understandable fear among both commercial and private users of the internet that this will leave the door open to actions that would severely restrict access to information if copyright holders can secure orders preventing it being made available.

That would not only represent a significant attack on individual freedom but also a threat to a healthy sector of the Irish economy which has attracted major international players to locate here.

In the interests of teasing all of this out I and my colleagues are calling on the Government to facilitate a debate and to present legislation that will require approval by the Oireachtas prior to any enactment. That would allow a full debate with meaningful inputs from all interested parties.
Thanks again for raising the issue with us.
Le meas,
Dessie Ellis TD





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squod

My local SF TD didn't respond at all. Non-one I've e-mailed has

MrVestek

gavmcg92 wrote: »

email from dessie ellis

That's a great response, fair play to him for seeing sense.

Jesus Shaves

Has Sean Sherlock responded to anyone?

sensibleken

darokane wrote: »

Has Sean Sherlock responded to anyone?

Nope but I have had several responses from independants and sinn fein

darokane

darokane wrote: »

Has Sean Sherlock responded to anyone?

I think he's afraid to respond as he's shown on numerous occasions that he really hasn't a clue what he's talking about in regard this legislation.

MrVestek

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he's afraid to respond as he's shown on numerous occasions that he really hasn't a clue what he's talking about in regard this legislation.

He responded to me about it once before this got major media coverage... let me see if I can dig it up...

*edit*

http://imgur.com/a/ZhzXP

Sorry for the bad cut / paste job. This is the only direct response that he has given to the community so far.

HUNK

Looks like its Canada's turn for SOPA-like legislation

Youtube might be in trouble

HUNK

Making the SOPA sausages.

Achilles

Achilles wrote: »

He responded to me about it once before this got major media coverage... let me see if I can dig it up...

*edit*

http://imgur.com/a/ZhzXP

Sorry for the bad cut / paste job. This is the only direct response that he has given to the community so far.

I've been emailing him daily for months and have yet to receive a response. Going to continue emailing him till I do.

Cantona's Collars

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been emailing him daily for months and have yet to receive a response. Going to continue emailing him till I do.

Maybe he doesn't know how to use a computer:rolleyes:

Jesus Shaves

Handy site for emailing our M.E.P's

gavmcg92

Achilles wrote: »

That's a great response, fair play to him for seeing sense.

I tell you... Sinn Fein have really won me over! It is still far too early for them being in government but I have to say, over the past couple of months I have been very please with their politicians and their overall attitude.

expectationlost

darokane wrote: »

Handy site for emailing our M.E.P's

incomplete and you should just email the meps fom your region

Jesus Shaves

expectationlost wrote: »

incomplete and you should just email the meps fom your region

it's a work in progress

k.p.h

HUNK wrote: »

Making the SOPA sausages.

Cheers for that, well worth a read.

KyussBishop

Crosspost:
Brilliant article, which highlights the bigger picture dangers of these copyright laws/treaties; particularly ACTA:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/01/guest-post-acta-%E2%80%9Cwould-usurp-congressional-authority%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cthreatens-numerous-public-interests%E2%80%9D-a-%E2%80%9Cbackroom-special-interest-deal%E2%80%9D-a-%E2%80%9Cmasquera.html

It focuses on the US, but what happens in the US is the same as what eventually happens in Europe and the rest of the world as well; that is a must-read, as it portrays the broader issues behind these laws/treaties very well (in fact, it's one of the first articles I've read which do so in such a thorough way).

gavmcg92

Guys the "debate" in the dail in on in a few minutes. For those of you with UPC it is on channel 801.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/DailFlash512KB.htm

Boards.ie got a mention in his speech.

Fromthetrees

It's on Oireachtas TV now.