All Ireland Junior Club Semi Final

homerjay2005

there was more than this going on, several other incidents took place on the pitch and i am not too sure all those lads who jumped the fence were fans, they looked like subs/club members to me.

paulgalway

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there was more than this going on, several other incidents took place on the pitch and i am not too sure all those lads who jumped the fence were fans, they looked like subs/club members to me.

As I stated in an earlier post, I think they were players who are part of the panel but didn't make the squad on the day.

DDC1990

Its not just the conduct of the fans that they should be responsible for, but the conduct of their players and subs.

Also any chance of the club repremanding these identified "fans" is gone out the window with their statement, which basically states, "we won, we're in the final now get over it and let us be, and stop talking about it."

they should be thrown out.

paulgalway

GAA should tell them to identify the players/fans involved or face the consequences.

duchalla

DDC1990 wrote: »

Its not just the conduct of the fans that they should be responsible for, but the conduct of their players and subs.

Also any chance of the club repremanding these identified "fans" is gone out the window with their statement, which basically states, "we won, we're in the final now get over it and let us be, and stop talking about it."

they should be thrown out.

Totally agree with everything you said. But I wouldnt be holding my breath on the powers that be throwing them out. They'll just roll out the old persecution card. But if you live by the sword, you gotta be prepared to die by it.

wanlabanchang

The CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC won't do anything till well after the final anyway.

zuluboy

Apparently the CCCC have decided to take immediate action!


They have confirmed that it was a Paul Galvin designed handbag that was used in the attack on Declan O'Sullivan.

Paul Galvin has therefore been suspended for 12 months.

LeoB

Lets hope its done and dusted quickly. Whatever the outcome.

keane2097

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160954

CCCC to decide brawl clubs' fate today

Derrytresk and Dromid Pearses could find out as early as today what sanctions they face arising from last Sunday's controversial AIB All-Ireland club JFC semi-final in Portlaoise.

The CCCC will meet today to review Leitrim referee Frank Flynn's report as well as two separate videos of the incidents that marred the fixture. CCCC chairman and Tyrone man Seamus Woods will step aside to avoid a conflict of interest since the hearing involves a club from his own county. Vice-chairman Tommy Kilcoyne from Sligo will preside in his absence.

In a statement released by Dromid Pearses yesterday, the Kerry club expressed their outrage at last Sunday's events and stated that they were "united in the knowledge that the CCCC will deal with this and assign punishment to those who instigated events."

Fingers crossed for draconian sanctions.

premierstone

In a statement released by Dromid Pearses yesterday, the Kerry club expressed their outrage at last Sunday's events and stated that they were "united in the knowledge that the CCCC will deal with this and assign punishment to those who instigated events."

I hope they are including their own players in this, of whom at least 4 deserve bans aswell, if not more.

J Cheever Loophole

keane2097 wrote: »

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160954



Fingers crossed for draconian sanctions.

Along the lines of premierstone's question above, I assume you mean for both sides?

keane2097

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Along the lines of premierstone's question above, I assume you mean for both sides?

No, just for the non-Kerry people involved obviously.

J Cheever Loophole

keane2097 wrote: »

No, just for the non-Kerry people involved obviously.

I don't know you, so I won't make any assumptions.

Can I ask, are you the new poster on GAABoard known as 'keane', who has been very vociferous on this issue and has been very critical of anyone attempting to be anything but very serious when discussing this subject?

keane2097

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

I don't know you so, I won't make any assumptions.

Can I ask, are you the new poster on GAABoard known as 'keane', who has been very vociferous on this issue and has been very critical of anyone attempting to be anything but very serious when discussing this subject?

Why?

J Cheever Loophole

keane2097 wrote: »

Why?

I see. :rolleyes:

keane2097

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

I see. :rolleyes:

Seamo87

zuluboy wrote: »

Apparently the CCCC have decided to take immediate action!


They have confirmed that it was a Paul Galvin designed handbag that was used in the attack on Declan O'Sullivan.

Paul Galvin has therefore been suspended for 12 months.

hahaha Much of that could actually be true!!! haha

apple26

I know this is kind of off topic but does anyone know if the Junior Club Final on 12th February will be broadcast live on tv

duchalla

apple26 wrote: »

I know this is kind of off topic but does anyone know if the Junior Club Final on 12th February will be broadcast live on tv

Nope, the Junior and Intermediate finals are not televised.

wonga77

Its kind of a pity that they couldnt come to an agreement with tg4 or someone to televise them down through the years. The competition itself has become very popular, maybe theres no demand for it or money to be made

duchalla

To be honest, I'd say it costs the GAA money to open Croke Park for these finals. The most you'll see at these matches is around 5,000 people. Croke Park doesnt even get gate reciepts for these, as the clubs are given tickets for the finals for free to distribute their supporters on the day. While its a historic day for the clubs involved, there wouldn't be much interest from the wider population.

axel the red

There could easily be a Pay Per View audience this year, mind you

dcr22B

axel the red wrote: »

There could easily be a Pay Per View audience this year, mind you

Yeah UFC (Ulster Fights Ciarraí) whatever number you want to pick :P

citycentre

paulgalway wrote: »

As I stated in an earlier post, I think they were players who are part of the panel but didn't make the squad on the day.

They were the subs, ridiculously accommodated in the front row of the stand with no separation whatsoever from the crowd. One Derrytresk supporter - the green hoodie idiot, is known to have invaded the pitch, not baying hordes descending from the stands as the media reports and misinformed know-alls would have you believe.

citycentre

bruschi wrote: »

Citycentre is exactly what is wrong blah bah blah...

So not only do the "Derrytresk are evil scum kick them out" side in this have no qualms with being completely selective in their take on the events of last Sunday, but they follow through to doing the same selective "editing" of posts here that dare to question them! Awfully smart but a bit pathetic really (rather like Dromid / Kerrys attempts to have Derrytresk disqualified). Someone must have plenty of time on their hands is all I can say

bruschi

citycentre wrote: »

So not only do the "Derrytresk are evil scum kick them out" side in this have no qualms with being completely selective in their take on the events of last Sunday, but they follow through to doing the same selective "editing" of posts here that dare to question them! Awfully smart but a bit pathetic really (rather like Dromid / Kerrys attempts to have Derrytresk disqualified). Someone must have plenty of time on their hands is all I can say

a good well thought out response, again missing all the points. as I previously said, it would be impossible to actually have any sort of discussion with the likes of you

citycentre wrote: »

They were the subs, ridiculously accommodated in the front row of the stand with no separation whatsoever from the crowd. One Derrytresk supporter - the green hoodie idiot, is known to have invaded the pitch, not baying hordes descending from the stands as the media reports and misinformed know-alls would have you believe.

and again, not once do you condemn either the players or the one supporter. you really still dont get it do you? still blaming the ground, and still blaming the media. the only comment you can make about it is that the media and 'know alls' have the number of supporters who went on the field wrong. you dont get it that no one should have went on the field.

keep fighting for your innocence tho and keep your head buried in the sand not seeing the bigger picture.

TyroneDevlins

Your Full it mate, How dare you refer too people from Tyrone as hatred filled drunks, Lowlife supporters? I have been to nearly all the games between these two great sides over the past decade too and have never experienced any thing like what you have just said. I be in Kerry quite often as i am married to a Kerry woman and yes there is pleanty of banter and slagging but also great respect for Tyrone and like wise for Kerry. What happened last sunday goes on in every county in Ireland includeing your own and should not of happened. You should be careful how you speak about people of your Country.

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm from Kerry and I absolutely agree with this. The Tyrone team and the lowlife types they attract as supporters have been involved in far too many incidents over the previous few years.

I have been at almost every match between our two sides over the past decade and there are always incidents. There supporters are drunken hooligans of the lowest type. People here like to complain about Dublin supporters and schmozzles between Cork and Kerry lads but nothing compares to the sheer violence and absolute hatred from Tyrone. I would not take a child to any match involving Tyrone as they are no different to soccer hooligans.

It is a county wide issue up there and rather than tackling violence the GAA up there actively promote it to intimidate the other team out of their way. I hope the GAA bans Derrytresk from the competition and gives the Galway team a walkover and award them the championship.

Will there be anything done about? Like hell there will but I can guarantee if it was a Cork, Dublin or Kerry club involved in such violence then the CCCC would be down them like a tonne of bricks.

TyroneDevlins

Your Full it mate, How dare you refer too people from Tyrone as hatred filled drunks, Lowlife supporters? I have been to nearly all the games between these two great sides over the past decade too and have never experienced any thing like what you have just said. I be in Kerry quite often as i am married to a Kerry woman and yes there is pleanty of banter and slagging but also great respect for Tyrone and like wise for Kerry. What happened last sunday goes on in every county in Ireland includeing your own and should not of happened. You should be careful how you speak about people of your Country.

Stinicker wrote: »

I'm from Kerry and I absolutely agree with this. The Tyrone team and the lowlife types they attract as supporters have been involved in far too many incidents over the previous few years.

I have been at almost every match between our two sides over the past decade and there are always incidents. There supporters are drunken hooligans of the lowest type. People here like to complain about Dublin supporters and schmozzles between Cork and Kerry lads but nothing compares to the sheer violence and absolute hatred from Tyrone. I would not take a child to any match involving Tyrone as they are no different to soccer hooligans.

It is a county wide issue up there and rather than tackling violence the GAA up there actively promote it to intimidate the other team out of their way. I hope the GAA bans Derrytresk from the competition and gives the Galway team a walkover and award them the championship.

Will there be anything done about? Like hell there will but I can guarantee if it was a Cork, Dublin or Kerry club involved in such violence then the CCCC would be down them like a tonne of bricks.

dartbhoy

TyroneDevlins wrote: »

Your Full it mate, How dare you refer too people from Tyrone as hatred filled drunks, Lowlife supporters? I have been to nearly all the games between these two great sides over the past decade too and have never experienced any thing like what you have just said. I be in Kerry quite often as i am married to a Kerry woman and yes there is pleanty of banter and slagging but also great respect for Tyrone and like wise for Kerry. What happened last sunday goes on in every county in Ireland includeing your own and should not of happened. You should be careful how you speak about people of your Country.

Well said TyroneDevlins. As a Cork fan myself and my father mixed with the Tyrone support in August 2009 before the All Ireland semi and we can only say great things about the Tyrone supporters,great craic and very sporting people. As for Stinicker the vast majority of posters on this thread know of his bigoted posts and wouldn't be bothered wasting time debating with him.

On another note I was listening to Cork radio station RED FM this evening who had an interview with Radio Kerry commentator Weeshie Fogarty. Now I'm no great fan of this radio station for their hugely biased reporting but Weeshie is totally unbiased and the only commentator on this station with a neutral and fair outlook on every game. He gave an account of been assaulted on the field of play while refereeing in Kerry and said that these problems exist in Kerry and every other county. He went on to state that there should be suspensions and heavy fines for BOTH TEAMS and the GAA to look into this incident for future analysis. Fair play to Weeshie,not afraid to shy away from problems of GAA violence in his own county.

wonga77

Any word on the derrytresk punishment? Dromid had 2 players suspended and a club fine im told

Dooish

8 got suspended

Dooish

teamtalkmag.com can tonight confirm that Derrytresk have been dealt a devastating blow ahead of Sunday weeks All Ireland Junior Football Championship final in Croke Park. Four of the starting team and four substitutes have received bans that will see them miss the All Ireland Final on 12th February. In addition to this the club have been fined 5000 euro by the CCCC.
The word coming from Kerry is that Dromid have had three players suspended, one for 5 months, and have been hit with a 2000 euro fine.
It goes without saying that the Derrytresk club have begun the process of appealing the bans handed down to them. While it is hoped that the appeal process is successful for the players it doesn’t take away from the fact that it leaves the club and players with huge uncertainty as they attempt to make preparations for the final.
Everyone at Teamtalkmag.com wish the club every success with the upcoming appeal and hope that those involved in the process will look beyond the media hysteria generated by those who should know better.

keane2097

lol, what drooler wrote that?

Seamo87

Where did "teamtalkmag.com" receive there journalism degree's?!!!!! :rolleyes:

Could they not try to deal in cold hard facts and evidence instead of relying solely on there own bias. Irish Independent made a big cock up already today, now "teamtalkmag.com" throw out this self fulfilling garbage. I can see it now, T-shirts all round "teamtalkmag.com" offices "JUSTICE FOR DERRYTRISK" ala Liverpool and Sauerez!!!!

Complain about "hysteria in the media", and then they go and publish this stinkingly biased dribble!! haha got love these hypocrites!:D

68Murph68

Any word on punishments for people besides players?

Seems to me that the CCCC have been fairly lenient on both sides if those are the only punishments. From the footage I saw and the other reports I expected a far harsher level of punishments.

ciarriaithuaidh

I take it teamtalkmag is a nordy production?

If any player (from either side) who has been identified via video evidence as striking someone, is left off scot free on appeal here, then we may aswell forget about the GAA's image.

wonga77

interesting to see who got what. I presumed the subs would take the brunt of the suspensions

Seamo87

On a day when 70?, 80?, 100? people die during a sporting event (ok, it is a different sport, different country and an extreme example!), the GAA should really take a stance on this, big time. Crowd trouble is a problem in the GAA, it needs to be stopped before we end up with more then a concussion (which I might add is something taken seriously outside of the GAA, ie. Rugby and NFL) and a broken jaw.

:eek: I'm being extreme here, but I would have thought that any organisation would make health and safety a top priority, not to mention the image of the organisation. "Expect the unexpected"......"Prepare for worst case scenario". All applicable to the GAA too.

So man up GAA/CCCC!!!:D

ciarriaithuaidh

wonga77 wrote: »

interesting to see who got what. I presumed the subs would take the brunt of the suspensions

4 of the starting team gone actually reportedly. Fairly hefty suspensions if they hold up. 5 grand fine aswell, no joke for a club. Dromid have a 2k fine and 4 players suspended apparently. Derrytresk will no doubt appeal (as any club would with a final coming up)..will be a litmus test for GAA authorities.

wonga77

The other video evidence must be damming, surely they couldnt pick 4 starting players from that clip alone. Its no wonder DT didnt release their video to the media

wonga77

The GAA will have to let it stand, if they back down now at an appeal then they would look very silly

dixiefly

Dooish wrote: »

teamtalkmag.com can tonight confirm that Derrytresk have been dealt a devastating blow ahead of Sunday weeks All Ireland Junior Football Championship final in Croke Park. Four of the starting team and four substitutes have received bans that will see them miss the All Ireland Final on 12th February. In addition to this the club have been fined 5000 euro by the CCCC.
The word coming from Kerry is that Dromid have had three players suspended, one for 5 months, and have been hit with a 2000 euro fine.
It goes without saying that the Derrytresk club have begun the process of appealing the bans handed down to them. While it is hoped that the appeal process is successful for the players it doesn’t take away from the fact that it leaves the club and players with huge uncertainty as they attempt to make preparations for the final.
Everyone at Teamtalkmag.com wish the club every success with the upcoming appeal and hope that those involved in the process will look beyond the media hysteria generated by those who should know better.

I hope that they do appeal and that the punishments are increased. The behaviour of the subs and the supporters (be it 1, 2 or whatever) is an embarassment to all of us trying to promote gaelic games in this country in the face of increasing competition from other sports. The guy in the hoodie that punched the dromid # 9 in the jaw should be identified and reported to the Gardai / PSNI.
And the bit about liveline is a typical insular reaction, Joe Duffy didnt start the row and didnt twist peoples arms to get them to call in!!
So please appeal and hopefully the book will be thrown more at them. A

homerjay2005

fines and suspensions are harsh on Dromid, the other crowd got off lightly.

wonga77

apparently the handbag lady got 48 weeks ban

premierstone

homerjay2005 wrote: »

fines and suspensions are harsh on Dromid, the other crowd got off lightly.

Dont agree, Dromid were far from the innocent victim that some tried to portray them as, watch the video again, they are quite lucky to only have two players suspended.

duchalla

premierstone, Dromid had 3 players suspended not 2. I agree with homerjay, think Dromid were treated harshly.

wonga77

I wonder how they come up with the fines? For example DP €2000 and DT €5000, considering the amount of people that came in from the DT sideline i would have thought they would be fines a much larger amount than DP.
Dromid not appealling the suspensions im told.
I would disagree with you premierstone, There are not too many more from DP that could be suspended, very few of them got involved at all

keane2097

There's confusion over the number of players Dromid have had suspended as one Dromid player supposedly got multiple bans that are set to run concurrently or something.

For the initial fracas, two Dromid players (4 & 5) should be banned, along with the Derrytresk sideline guy. For the escalation, every last person who jumped the barrier should be banned - some for longer than others obv - along with any management that got involved in anything other than an obviously conciliatory way.

The Derrytresk 18 should also be banned, along with the 11.

homerjay2005

premierstone wrote: »

Dont agree, Dromid were far from the innocent victim that some tried to portray them as, watch the video again, they are quite lucky to only have two players suspended.

what the hell are they supposed to do, stand back and be assaulted?

J Cheever Loophole

homerjay2005 wrote: »

what the hell are they supposed to do, stand back and be assaulted?

Funny, I wouldn't mind guessing that that would be the excuse used by some of the Derrytresk subs for jumping the fence in the first place!

On the basis of what I saw, the number of suspensions for either side seems spot on.