All Ireland Junior Club Semi Final

Seamo87

After hearing about what happened in the Siegorson cup game, I can't help but smile and say I TOLD YOU SO!!!! haha


So all those fools who said it was just "sour grapes from Kerry" or muppets like C O Rourke and Eamon Sweeney of Sunday Indo...what say you now? :cool:

This Dromhid/ Derrytrisk thuggery was not an isolated incident. This is rampent now throughout the GAA, and it is not a Northern problem, not caused by "Northerners". It is a GAA issue as a whole, and it is a friggin issue Colm O R!!!


From 1 proud Kerryman!!:D

premierstone

homerjay2005 wrote: »

what the hell are they supposed to do, stand back and be assaulted?

Were you at the game? Have you even watched the video clip, Dromid played their part in the hole sordid mess and the only diofference between the two was that nobody from Dromid came onto the field from the sideline/stand and that is the only reason there is a difference between the fines and number of suspensions.

duchalla

premierstone wrote: »

Were you at the game? Have you even watched the video clip, Dromid played their part in the hole sordid mess and the only diofference between the two was that nobody from Dromid came onto the field from the sideline/stand and that is the only reason there is a difference between the fines and number of suspensions.

permierstone, theres more to this than the video clip, the 3 rd dromid player suspended was, I presume, for getting a straight red near the end of the game, coz he wasn't involved in the melee.

premierstone

duchalla wrote: »

permierstone, theres more to this than the video clip, the 3 rd dromid player suspended was, I presume, for getting a straight red near the end of the game, coz he wasn't involved in the melee.

I'm fully aware of that, I was the one who said they had two players suspended from the melee and was told it was infact three, I was correct it was two from that incident plus the straight red.

There is also a second video of the incident which apparently highlights incidents that cannot be seen from the one we have all seen.

Seamo87

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Funny, I wouldn't mind guessing that that would be the excuse used by some of the Derrytresk subs for jumping the fence in the first place!

On the basis of what I saw, the number of suspensions for either side seems spot on.

So you think it would be right for supporters in future to enter the pitch and escalate a scuffle between 2 players. Because that's all it really was. If DT management and supporters don't blow their lode and act on the urge to be thugs......then all it would have been is probably 1 yellow card for a Dromhid player and 1 yellow card for a DT player (3rd player in rule) and that would have been that.

wonga77

The hooded player who struck the dromid midfielder got a month!!! Weird decision that, he more or less took Dromids best player out of the game and got the minimum suspension. He should be looking at a 48 week ban at least imo

Seamo87

premierstone wrote: »

Were you at the game? Have you even watched the video clip, Dromid played their part in the hole sordid mess and the only diofference between the two was that nobody from Dromid came onto the field from the sideline/stand and that is the only reason there is a difference between the fines and number of suspensions.

Your completely missing the point!!!

Players beating the heads off eachother is nothing new, it's not ideal, but **** it isn't the worst thing.

Having people from outside the pitch enter it, is a very dangerous avenue to head down....hello do you not watch the news:rolleyes: Game in Egypt ~73 dead, extreme example I know, but if there was a child between those Derrytrisk thugs and the pitch, what do you think would happen, that they'd stop, walk safely around the child, and then continue in pursuit of assaulting someone!!!!

I've never been searched going into a GAA game....so it just takes 1 nut case to cause serious harm to a player in a situation like that.

Seamo87

wonga77 wrote: »

The hooded player who struck the dromid midfielder got a month!!! Weird decision that, he more or less took Dromids best player out of the game and got the minimum suspension. He should be looking at a 48 week ban at least imo

****:eek:...........so any Kerry fan could have run onto the pitch during the All-Ireland, knocked Cluxton out of the game and subsequent replay....and Kerry would be All-Ireland winners!!!:)

...................So do people defending Derrytrisk, and other fools like C O Rourke still not see the issue here and what it could lead to???!!!!!!!

bruschi

here seamo, your hypothetical situations are ridiculous at best. there was no child between them, there wasnt 74 supporters killed, and no person attacked cluxton. stop going over the top on it, because that is what you are doing, going way over the top going on about stuff that did not and would not happen.

Seamo87

bruschi wrote: »

here seamo, your hypothetical situations are ridiculous at best. there was no child between them, there wasnt 74 supporters killed, and no person attacked cluxton. stop going over the top on it, because that is what you are doing, going way over the top going on about stuff that did not and would not happen.

hahaha ahh u tit, ur still missing the point!!! haha action not reaction stupid!! haha What are you stuck on? Some All Ireland junior game?:) Think bigger fool, we're talking about large crowds here, priority should be health and safety of players, officials, supporters and anyone else at the game.


haha It's ok, you just lack foresight..........I'm sure you and others would have said 10 years that there is no need for defibrillators at games.....that concussion was no big deal.......hey why fence off hill 16, insurance! Why insurance?...ah health and safety stupid:cool:

But it's ok, you'll learn!!

dartbhoy

Well not surprised that both clubs have been hit with suspensions and heavy fines after the brawl. Derrytresk will be severely hit with these suspensions for the All Ireland final on Sunday week. While the GAA were correct to also fine and suspend Dromid players the club won't suffer as much considering 2 of the players will only miss mickey mouse league and local games at worst and even the player hit with the 5 month ban will be back in time for Championship action. This is something the GAA need to address as it makes a mockery of the suspension system.

Seamo87

dartbhoy wrote: »

Well not surprised that both clubs have been hit with suspensions and heavy fines after the brawl. Derrytresk will be severely hit with these suspensions for the All Ireland final on Sunday week. While the GAA were correct to also fine and suspend Dromid players the club won't suffer as much considering 2 of the players will only miss mickey mouse league and local games at worst and even the player hit with the 5 month ban will be back in time for Championship action. This is something the GAA need to address as it makes a mockery of the suspension system.

Base suspensions on # of games rather then time?...Yeah your right, GAA have been slow to embrace that, but long time based bans such as 5 months can cover alot of games at club level.

And to be fair any league games missed by Dromid players will be felt. There are no mickey mouse league games at club level, league games are all these guys have. League games at club level are the games to make you want to continue playing training with your club. 5months without games, means you might aswell take up another sport, no club player will train for 5months with no games to show for it. Plus Dromid are a rural club, this could put them in relegation trouble before they even start.

J Cheever Loophole

Seamo87 wrote: »

So you think it would be right for supporters in future to enter the pitch and escalate a scuffle between 2 players. Because that's all it really was. If DT management and supporters don't blow their lode and act on the urge to be thugs......then all it would have been is probably 1 yellow card for a Dromhid player and 1 yellow card for a DT player (3rd player in rule) and that would have been that.

I suggest you go and check back to the original post that I was replying to. I can't see any post in which I have condoned the actions of the Derrytresk subs.

And furthermore, given what you have said above, I would also suggest that you look at the video again.

bruschi

Seamo87 wrote: »

hahaha ahh u tit, ur still missing the point!!! haha action not reaction stupid!! haha What are you stuck on? Some All Ireland junior game?:) Think bigger fool, we're talking about large crowds here, priority should be health and safety of players, officials, supporters and anyone else at the game.


haha It's ok, you just lack foresight..........I'm sure you and others would have said 10 years that there is no need for defibrillators at games.....that concussion was no big deal.......hey why fence off hill 16, insurance! Why insurance?...ah health and safety stupid:cool:

But it's ok, you'll learn!!

good response. you clearly are on another level of intellect to me.

I am glad I have people like you who can help me learn at least. Then we wont have supporters being killed, children being stomped over, and players being attacked as they kick frees in an AI final.

duchalla

Anyone know the lenght of suspensions the Derrytresk fellas got? heard the scumbag with the hoodie who hit the Dromid midfielder got 12 months. Hope to God this is true....

"teamtalkrag" were quick enough in coming out telling us how long one of the Dromid fellas got suspended for. Nothing about what their own gang got, what was that about?

wonga77

One month I hear the hoodie got. A disgrace if its true

duchalla

heard form one source it was 12 months and 1 month from another, unbelieveable if he only got a month....:mad:

wonga77

I said it earlier, he effectively changed the course of the game when he took out the Dromid midfielder, if he only got 1 month then it makes a complete joke of the situation. He came in from outside the barrier, he should be looking at a year at the very least. I would hope Duchalla that your first source is right

premierstone

dartbhoy wrote: »

Well not surprised that both clubs have been hit with suspensions and heavy fines after the brawl. Derrytresk will be severely hit with these suspensions for the All Ireland final on Sunday week. .

Be very suprised if all of these guys dont play in the AI final, they will appeal the suspensions and if that fails they will merely get a high court injunction which will temporarily freeze the suspension and they will serve the siuspension later.

cruiserweight

Seamo87 wrote: »

hahaha ahh u tit, ur still missing the point!!! haha action not reaction stupid!! haha What are you stuck on? Some All Ireland junior game?:) Think bigger fool, we're talking about large crowds here, priority should be health and safety of players, officials, supporters and anyone else at the game.


haha It's ok, you just lack foresight..........I'm sure you and others would have said 10 years that there is no need for defibrillators at games.....that concussion was no big deal.......hey why fence off hill 16, insurance! Why insurance?...ah health and safety stupid:cool:

But it's ok, you'll learn!!

While heated for the most part this thread has been fine, but anymore guff like this post and bans will be handed out. Keep it civil please

Snickers Man

Seamo87 wrote: »

Where did "teamtalkmag.com" receive there their journalism degree's?!!!!! :rolleyes:

Same place you did probably. :P

duchalla

premierstone wrote: »

Be very suprised if all of these guys dont play in the AI final, they will appeal the suspensions and if that fails they will merely get a high court injunction which will temporarily freeze the suspension and they will serve the siuspension later.

If this is true it'll make a mockery of the thing, the law will most certainly be an ass.

premierstone

duchalla wrote: »

If this is true it'll make a mockery of the thing, the law will most certainly be an ass.

It has been done before, a Tipp minor a few years ago was suspended for the AI final, from an incident in a club game, he appealed and lost, hes father and club then approached to the county board and asked them to take out an injunction c, county board told them to fcuk off, the fathe then at he's own cost took the case to the high court and got an injunction, said player preceded to have a mare and Tipp were well beaten.

He's a current Tipp senior hurler now aswel.

wonga77

That must have been a costly decision

Seamo87

bruschi wrote: »

good response. you clearly are on another level of intellect to me.

I am glad I have people like you who can help me learn at least. Then we wont have supporters being killed, children being stomped over, and players being attacked as they kick frees in an AI final.

See, right here you use sarcasm, yes? I notice it, yet some how you still don't pick up on the sarcasm with regards to my All-Ireland final analogy, because that scenario didn't actually happen:eek:...you follow me now!! It was an extreme example used in order to illustrate what COULD happen,.....prevention not reaction is needed!!

Now go flag me over that:D:cool:

Seamo87

Snickers Man wrote: »

Same place you did probably. :P

O I claimed to be a journalist????...I'm just a mere mortal like yourself, giving my opinions on a public forum, I don't claim to be anything more.

premierstone

wonga77 wrote: »

That must have been a costly decision

Daddy had/has deep pockets but yes it was

randd1

What happened in Egypt during the week kind of puts things into perspective, no-one died.

That said while there's no doubt that there is a world of difference between what happened Portlaois and Port Said, nonetheless the it shows that things can turn very ugly, very quickly when passions run high in sport. This isn't an isolated incident in the GAA either, it happens every year and one of these days someone is going to be seriously hurt, or worse. The question is, will someone have to die (a possibility) before the collective of the GAA (the fans, clubs, counties, county boards, provincial councils and the Association itself) finally do something about it? Suspensions and fines just don't do it.

One big problem is the clubs/counties themselves. When one of their players does something wrong the automatic response is that they're innocent and the clubs/counties pull every stroke to to prevent suspension, there's no accountability or responsibility. The other problem is the GAA rules themselves. There's too much ambiguity in them, make the rules definite, and when someone breaks them, make the punishments definite and unbreakable through appeal.

The GAA need to tackle this issue far more than the manager payments issue in my book, its not good for the image of the GAA, its not good for the sport and its definitely not good for convincing parents of young kids to get them playing GAA sports.

dartbhoy

premierstone wrote: »

Be very suprised if all of these guys dont play in the AI final, they will appeal the suspensions and if that fails they will merely get a high court injunction which will temporarily freeze the suspension and they will serve the siuspension later.

Correct premierstone. Rumours are already suggesting that Derrytresk have employed a well known solicitor in GAA circles to defend their players and what you've stated is what's more than likely going to happen. It'll anger GAA fans but it's a loophole which has been used by teams previously.

Snickers Man

dartbhoy wrote: »

Correct premierstone. Rumours are already suggesting that Derrytresk have employed a well known solicitor in GAA circles to defend their players and what you've stated is what's more than likely going to happen. It'll anger GAA fans but it's a loophole which has been used by teams previously.

I wouldn't be too sure. Injunctions aren't always granted automatically. And if the GAA fight an attempt to impose an injunction by saying that they have their own robust and fair internal investigation and disciplinary procedures that include an appeals mechanism, which they do, it might be deemed against the interests of justice for an external organ like the High Court to undermine those procedures.

DDC1990

Would there be any implications considering Derrytresk are a Northern Irish side, in their attempt to get an injunction, if indeed they went down that route. Which legal system would they be going down?

dartbhoy

DDC1990 wrote: »

Would there be any implications considering Derrytresk are a Northern Irish side, in their attempt to get an injunction, if indeed they went down that route. Which legal system would they be going down?

I'm sure they'd go down the 26 county route but you have brought up an interesting point there. If the Republic Of Ireland appeal through the courts failed will they go down the 6 counties route to appeal the bans? GAA is played in the 32 counties,would be interesting to see what the outcome would be if this scenario was to happen?

wonga77

The clock is ticking on it so it will be very interesting to see the outcome. DT have done a reasonably good job on keeping their mouth shut so far so it might be a few days before we find out what direction they are taking

theoneeyedman

randd1 wrote: »

That said while there's no doubt that there is a world of difference between what happened Portlaois and Port Said, nonetheless the it shows that things can turn very ugly, very quickly when passions run high in sport. .

Sweet Jesus will ya come down out of that....what happened in Egypt hasnothing to do with sport/passion/support......this is a country in a de facto civil war and the only link to football was it was a place with a lot of people corralled into the same place.

dcr22B

Derrytresk hit with five year ban

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/gaa/2012/0208/1224311480398.html

wonga77

Nicely slipped in by the gaa, the 5 year ban wont really affect them that much in truth, the tyrone intermediate is very competitive so i doubt they will win it anyway. They got their centre forward off so he'll be a massive addition to the team. 7 others still suspended, though I have to say i thought the #11 was one of the more clearcut guilty parties involved. Still not sure what the #3 did wrong

keane2097

The 11 got off? lol

jonniebgood1

keane2097 wrote: »

The 11 got off? lol

Seems that way.

So what is the actual punishment at this stage? > No waterboys???

Utopia Parkway

wonga77 wrote: »

Nicely slipped in by the gaa, the 5 year ban wont really affect them that much in truth, the tyrone intermediate is very competitive so i doubt they will win it anyway. They got their centre forward off so he'll be a massive addition to the team. 7 others still suspended, though I have to say i thought the #11 was one of the more clearcut guilty parties involved. Still not sure what the #3 did wrong

Not sure how the number 11 got off. You can actually see him go steaming right into the middle of the melee.

He's one of their main men too. Wonder was some kind of deal made? Give us back the number 11 and we'll accept the rest of the punishment.

wonga77

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Not sure how the number 11 got off. You can actually see him go steaming right into the middle of the melee.

He's one of their main men too. Wonder was some kind of deal made? Give us back the number 11 and we'll accept the rest of the punishment.

Funnily enough i heard that suggested today, at the time I thought it seemed a bit mad but you never know. Im still confused as to why some of the others were punished, esp the #3?

premierstone

wonga77 wrote: »

Funnily enough i heard that suggested today, at the time I thought it seemed a bit mad but you never know. Im still confused as to why some of the others were punished, esp the #3?

Well there was more than the video we've all seen, there was a second video and then of course the referees report aswell, so I assume he was suspended on the back of one of those.

Gophur

I think it's an absolute disgrace this club was allowed stay in the competition. They should have been kicked out.

Yet another day of shame for the GAA to heave these people prancing about Croke Park.

premierstone

Gophur wrote: »

I think it's an absolute disgrace this club was allowed stay in the competition. They should have been kicked out.

Yet another day of shame for the GAA to heave these people prancing about Croke Park.

Would you have awarded the title to the Galway champions by default so, because from any footage Ive seen if your throwing Derrytresk out then Dromid Pearses would surely have to be thrown out aswell??

keane2097

premierstone wrote: »

if your throwing Derrytresk out then Dromid Pearses would surely have to be thrown out aswell??

both sides were at fault != both sides committed equal offences

wonga77

I think the photo released by DT in todays paper is strange. Why leave it so late and what are they trying to prove? Apparently they have a series of photos to be released after the final on sunday which leads back to my original question. What will they prove?

wonga77

It would have been unfair on Clonbur, im sure they wanted a crack at Croker and not to win by default

keane2097

wonga77 wrote: »

I think the photo released by DT in todays paper is strange. Why leave it so late and what are they trying to prove? Apparently they have a series of photos to be released after the final on sunday which leads back to my original question. What will they prove?

Link?

Gophur

premierstone wrote: »

Would you have awarded the title to the Galway champions by default so, because from any footage Ive seen if your throwing Derrytresk out then Dromid Pearses would surely have to be thrown out aswell??

1. It is not up to me to decide who to award any title to. I'm not in that position. It didn't happen, unfortunately, so the question as to who would/should replace them is irrelevant. (Look at last year's finalists to see who got there by wining and who got there by nomination?)

As for those saying both parties were equally guilty? I think the overwhelming evidence and the verdict of the GAA was the Tyrone people were the main aggressors.

premierstone

keane2097 wrote: »

both sides were at fault != both sides committed equal offences

Gophur wrote: »

1. It is not up to me to decide who to award any title to. I'm not in that position. It didn't happen, unfortunately, so the question as to who would/should replace them is irrelevant. (Look at last year's finalists to see who got there by wining and who got there by nomination?)

As for those saying both parties were equally guilty? I think the overwhelming evidence and the verdict of the GAA was the Tyrone people were the main aggressors.

I think I have been misunderstood here I never suggested both parties were quilty of equal offences, but can someone tell me where the line is drawn, is it like ok Dromid 3 players suspended and €2,500 fine, you're ok , but Derrytresk 4 players, 4 subs and a €5,000 fine, thats completely unacceptable you're thrown out

keane2097

premierstone wrote: »

I think I have been misunderstood here I never suggested both parties were quilty of equal offences, but can someone tell me where the line is drawn, is it like ok Dromid 3 players suspended and €2,500 fine, you're ok , but Derrytresk 4 players, 4 subs and a €5,000 fine, thats completely unacceptable you're thrown out

Yeah, draw the line at people outside the 15s getting involved in physical altercations with players. EZ game.