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im sorry but does what majority of religeon live there really matter
It mattered at the time of the Boundary Commission which is why a good chunk of East Donegal was originally planned to be in Northern Ireland, based on large Protestant and Presbyterian populations.Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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Ah those poor loyalists.Well, I try to stay out of these arguments but felt I had to respond to a post that was nothing other than blatant lies.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18975049
http://www.u.tv/News/Intimidation-campaign-behind-arson/8a5cef80-0003-4fef-89e9-aaebed1f0ae2
2 stories in the past few days of homes being attacked because the occupants are protestant / unionists.
And these are not isolated incidents.
There is also the recent case of the Sinn Fein minister being found to have discriminated against candidates because they were protestant.
There are people attacked on both sides purely because of where they worship or who they vote for. To suggest that it solely happens to one community is laughable and displays a distinct lack of understanding of anything that goes on (or else some misty eyed poetic head in the sand type outlook on it).
It's disgraceful. Everyone should feel safe in their own home. Unfortunately there are filth on both sides that can't see this.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/jan/10/northernireland.race
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland-politician-anna-lo-warns-of-racist-threats-by-loyalist-farright-groups-14371896.htmlNot far from the red, white and blue paving stones, the Ku Klux Klan graffiti and the "Chinks out" notices scratched outside south Belfast Chinese takeaways, Hua Long Lin was at home watching television when a man burst in and smashed a brick into his face. His wife, also in the room, was eight months pregnant. The couple had moved into the terrace two weeks before. Neighbours expressed regret but one white family told a community worker they couldn't offer a Chinese family friendship in public or they would be "bricked" too.
"It's like Nazi Germany," they explained.
Northern Ireland, which is 99% white, is fast becoming the race-hate capital of Europe. It holds the UK's record for the highest rate of racist attacks: spitting and stoning in the street, human excrement on doorsteps, swastikas on walls, pipe bombs, arson, the ransacking of houses with baseball bats and crow bars, and white supremacist leaflets nailed to front doors.
Over 200 incidents were reported to police in the past nine months, although many victims don't bother complaining any more.
But in the past weeks, fear has deepened. Protestant working-class neighbourhoods are showing a pattern of orchestrated house attacks aimed at "ethnically cleansing" minority groups.
It is happening in streets run by loyalist paramilitaries, where every Chinese takeaway owner already pays protection money and racists have plentiful access to guns. The spectre of Catholics being systematically burnt out of similar areas during the Troubles hangs in the air.
So-called peace walls between Protestant and Catholic communities are graffitied with swastikas and signs that read "keep the streets white".
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/56758,Loyalist-terrorists-target-Poles-in-Northern-IrelandNorthern Ireland politician Anna Lo warns of racist threats by loyalist far-right groups
A Hong Kong-born politician who champions the causes of ethnic minorities in Northern Ireland has been warned she is under threat of attack.
The Alliance Party’s Anna Lo, who has lived in Belfast for nearly 35 years, is the only member of the Northern Ireland Assembly who is from an ethnic minority background.
Yesterday, as Assembly members discussed a spate of racist and sectarian attacks in the region, she revealed she had been warned by police of a threat to attack her.
Ms Lo later said she also knew of threatening letters sent to Polish and Islamic centres in Belfast by loyalist far-right groups threatening to bomb at least one of the premises.
“People from ethnic minority communities are very frightened,” she said.
Ms Lo represents the south Belfast area where a series of attacks on Romanian families forced more than 100 people from their homes with most eventually leaving Northern Ireland.
It emerged last week that Ms Lo received threats in two letters and two emails but yesterday she told the Assembly she had now been warned by police of further threats.
“Myself and a large number of ethnic minority people this weekend and today have received serious threats upon our safety,” she said.
“I have never seen ethnic minorities so fearful in Northern Ireland.”
She appealed for the First Minister and Deputy First Minister to speed up efforts to agree a new government strategy to tackle racism and sectarianism.
Last night, Ms Lo said she was visited by police and told they had received a threat to attack her home.
She said police were told that a Chinese business, which has been targeted in the past, would also be attacked.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland said it could not comment on individual cases.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8104978.stm'Loyalist' terrorists target Poles in Northern Ireland
13.10.2011 13:59
A 30-year-old man is being questioned by police after a Polish couple in Antrim, Northern Ireland were targeted by bombers claiming to be 'British Loyalists', as racist attacks against foreign nationals increases in the area.
A pipe-bomb was discovered on the windowsill of a property in County Antrim, north of Belfast, on Wednesday morning.
The bomb was defused without injury. A loyalist group later claimed responsibility for the action, via a phone-call to the BBC.
The incident has caused acute consternation among the Polish community in the area after threatening graffiti appeared in the town of Antrim in the wake if the attack.
“Foreign Nationals WILL be targeted,” one slogan declares in the estate where the crime took place.
A number of attacks on foreigners, not just Poles, have been reported in the area recently, according to Ulster Unionist Party councillor Adrian Watson.
“Last week a mob attacked a house belonging to foreign nations,” he told the Belfast Telegraph.
Indian and Chinese communities have made Antrim their home for some decades now and since 2004 the town has been attracting those from Central and Eastern European nations within the EU.
Ken Wilkinson of the moderate Progressive Unionist Party told the BBC that he was “disgusted” that the assailants were, “claiming this in the name of loyalism.”
Maciek Bator of Northern Ireland's Polish Association, noted that many local residents had been supportive of Poles in the wake of the incident, but underlined that “some people will move out this area, and some will decide to move out of Northern Ireland.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18More than 100 Romanian people have fled their homes in Belfast, saying they feel intimidated after a series of attacks. BBC News examines the problem of racism in Northern Ireland.
When the police in Northern Ireland started recording racially motivated crime in 1996 there were just 41 incidents.
Last year there were nearly 1,000.
In part the increase in the number of incidents can be explained by the increase in the ethnic minority population.
There was a growth in the number of migrants coming to Northern Ireland following the paramilitary ceasefires and the accession of central and eastern European countries to the European Union.
Northern Ireland's established Chinese, Indian and Vietnamese communities were joined by thousands more ethnic minorities from across the world.
However there is also the suggestion that a legacy of Northern Ireland's sectarian conflict is a "culture of intolerance" that leads to violence against people not just of a different religion but also those of a different ethnic background.
My fucking heart goes out to them.C18 has long been associated with loyalists in Northern Ireland. On 18 June 2009, graves belonging to numerous people, including Provisional Irish Republican Army hunger-striker Bobby Sands were desecrated with C18 graffiti.[16]
Racist attacks on immigrants continue from members of C18.[17] Weapons, ammunition and explosives have been seized by police in the UK and almost every country in which C18 is active.0 -
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:pac:Argue with the articles, laddie. Play the ball, not the man.
How can I argue with someone who doesn't understand what I say? That's just me wasting my time.
So far you've jumped from me saying "both sides are at it and both sides are filth" to me somehow supporting loyalist groups and being a racist.
An amazing jump, one that really has no logic behind it and it hurts my head to even try think how you got from A to B there.
And, it's not worth it. I think you're a lost cause either way.
Anyway, to the original post, nope, Ireland shouldn't join the UK.
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Fratton Fred wrote: »London gets all the economic activity because that's where the head offices and banks are.
London gets all the economic activity as a consequence of history.Fratton Fred wrote: »The thing I really fear in Ireland is employment. Where are the jobs going to come from? other than food, the country has major manufacturing base, no money to spend on infrastructure and enough houses and offices to last us for the next thousand years.
other than food, we don't make an awful lot in Ireland.
ATM as far as I know we have the capability to produce enough food for 6 times our population and given the trend of an increasing population around the world, and the small bubble in agriculture ATM, that's a good thing. Though there is little money in small farms nowadays.
The British actually destroyed our export driven agricultural economy after they left (though they certainly exploited it when they were here) as well as our whiskey economy.
We have to fill a niche. The Swiss bank, we should want to be better in the technological industry. We have plenty of potential in it yet we're doing little about it ATM though we do have pharmaceuticals (yet we don't own them) and be looking towards an export driven economy.
If you look at an industrial powerhouse like Germany on the other hand, they can't really sustain that. It's mostly high end manufacturing that Germany does and they can't sustain that. The workers aren't on the best of wages and IIRC the unions have signed an agreement which guarantees their wage level only up to 2013. Those jobs will have to move eventually, paying Hans 300-500 Deutschemarks a week, he ain't going to be happy, whereas the likes of Vietnam and other South-East Asian countries will start taking these jobs eventually. They have been shielded from the global recession, at our expense somewhat as well becuase they have capitalized banks and cheap credit. That won't last either.0 -
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