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Bass Reeves

White Clover wrote: »

That's all fine bass, but it still doesn't explain the price pull and price difference between darraghhaven's man in N.I. and the factories here. After all, the factories here are selling into a much more competitive market that has returned a much higher price to the farmer over there.
Also, this extra 4k cattle killed last week....most likely out of factory feedlots, are there to meet an increase in demand with schools opening this week.
As sterling is dropping in value, factories are maintaining their margins while (as wilfarman says) plundering rural economies.
Their actions over the past 4 weeks are indefensible.

I am not trying to explain it. Rather I am explaining why those that think as farmers we might gain control of the kill in the next 3-4 weeks and even after that are not looking at the facts. Most factory feedlots are empty since May/June, it would not pay them to feed cattle expensive ration and silage over the summer when they will have a glut anyway. Rather they will now fill these feedlots for the pre/post Christmas kill and used them to control any prices around then. Reading the FI today they mentioned that some farmers are only starting there first draw of cattle to the factory's this week :eek:. This is the reality of the autumn kill. Factory's are maintaining more than there margins and yes they are plundering rural economies.

While schools are reopening holiday resorts are staring to empty it is the same number of people eating the same amount of meat but through a different outlet. As I argued with Rangler the allowing of factory's to own and control feedlots is anti competitive but the different farm organisations will not lobby for this to be illegal like in the United States. Just like they will not push for producer groups.

Yes we have producer groups like HE and AA scheme but neither of these negotiate a national base for these cattle so processors are allowed to plunder the scheme by dropping the base to lads with lots of these cattle and these by eating into the bonus.

kk.man

kowtow wrote: »

Do they actually have that kind of access to the CMS? I'd be surprised, but if they do it is an outrage and one which should be ended immediately.

It's perfectly possible to give them the limited access required for dealing with a single animal on a case by case basis without giving them an overview of the privileged commercial information of their suppliers as a whole.

There is no trace-ability case whatsoever for factories to have that data in aggregate. It is the commercial equivalent of farmers being able to access the entire outgoing order book of the factories together with forward demand.

And while we are at it, tracing ought to be a two way thing, farmers should also be able to see what became of their animals and in what markets they ended up.

I'd love to know in what format our qa cattle which the bonus that wasn't paid to farmers end up as?

blue5000

kk.man wrote: »

I'd love to know in what format our qa cattle which the bonus that wasn't paid to farmers end up as?

If they're produced on a QA farm then they are assured. I reckon 90% of farmers supplying cattle to factories are QA.

charolais0153

blue5000 wrote: »

If they're produced on a QA farm then they are assured. I reckon 90% of farmers supplying cattle to factories are QA.

What happens to thwe non qa meat though

Muckit

It's thrown in a skip out the back marked 'unfit for human consumption.'

Mooooo

blue5000 wrote: »

If they're produced on a QA farm then they are assured. I reckon 90% of farmers supplying cattle to factories are QA.

All dairy farms more or less have to be qa now, all cows get no qa. Same as beef culls from qa farms. But they'll still get their marketing boost

Cavanjack

QA is just another hoop we have to jump through for no return. No bonus on bulls, cows or over 30 month stock even though the same standards are met for their raising and finishing.
Same as the aa and hf bonus, it's not given to the farmers if the animal falls out of spec but the factories still sell the meat along with the "in spec" meat.

rangler1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I am not trying to explain it. Rather I am explaining why those that think as farmers we might gain control of the kill in the next 3-4 weeks and even after that are not looking at the facts. Most factory feedlots are empty since May/June, it would not pay them to feed cattle expensive ration and silage over the summer when they will have a glut anyway. Rather they will now fill these feedlots for the pre/post Christmas kill and used them to control any prices around then. Reading the FI today they mentioned that some farmers are only starting there first draw of cattle to the factory's this week :eek:. This is the reality of the autumn kill. Factory's are maintaining more than there margins and yes they are plundering rural economies.

While schools are reopening holiday resorts are staring to empty it is the same number of people eating the same amount of meat but through a different outlet. As I argued with Rangler the allowing of factory's to own and control feedlots is anti competitive but the different farm organisations will not lobby for this to be illegal like in the United States. Just like they will not push for producer groups.

Yes we have producer groups like HE and AA scheme but neither of these negotiate a national base for these cattle so processors are allowed to plunder the scheme by dropping the base to lads with lots of these cattle and these by eating into the bonus.

Still don't agree with you, by your reasoning dairy farmers shouldn't be allowed grow grain because they should be made buy it from tillage farmers.
Everyone has to do what's necessary to reduce costs and ensure supply.
Same as a farmer changing to suckling instead of buying stores....... will he have to be stopped too .
Our lamb group was started by a group of farmers coming together, That's the way a producer group is formed, it's a bit naive to expect someone to take on the whole country and market millions of cattle. farmers themselves will have to get the finger out themselves....there's no law against starting producer groups and I'm sure if a group comes together, Farm centre will provide information and experience

coolshannagh28

Cavanjack wrote: »

QA is just another hoop we have to jump through for no return. No bonus on bulls, cows or over 30 month stock even though the same standards are met for their raising and finishing.
Same as the aa and hf bonus, it's not given to the farmers if the animal falls out of spec but the factories still sell the meat along with the "in spec" meat.

This is a scandal ,QA is a means of paying under the odds for premium beef which is sold on as value added ,QA should be boycotted.

CloughCasey1

Muckit wrote: »

It's thrown in a skip out the back marked 'unfit for human consumption.'

Welcome back Fr Jessup. You sure it's not shipped to "Southern Yemen"😊

Bass Reeves

rangler1 wrote: »

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I am not trying to explain it. Rather I am explaining why those that think as farmers we might gain control of the kill in the next 3-4 weeks and even after that are not looking at the facts. Most factory feedlots are empty since May/June, it would not pay them to feed cattle expensive ration and silage over the summer when they will have a glut anyway. Rather they will now fill these feedlots for the pre/post Christmas kill and used them to control any prices around then. Reading the FI today they mentioned that some farmers are only starting there first draw of cattle to the factory's this week :eek:. This is the reality of the autumn kill. Factory's are maintaining more than there margins and yes they are plundering rural economies.

While schools are reopening holiday resorts are staring to empty it is the same number of people eating the same amount of meat but through a different outlet. As I argued with Rangler the allowing of factory's to own and control feedlots is anti competitive but the different farm organisations will not lobby for this to be illegal like in the United States. Just like they will not push for producer groups.

Yes we have producer groups like HE and AA scheme but neither of these negotiate a national base for these cattle so processors are allowed to plunder the scheme by dropping the base to lads with lots of these cattle and these by eating into the bonus.

Still don't agree with you, by your reasoning dairy farmers shouldn't be allowed grow grain because they should be made buy it from tillage farmers.
Everyone has to do what's necessary to reduce costs and ensure supply.
Same as a farmer changing to suckling instead of buying stores....... will he have to be stopped too .
Our lamb group was started by a group of farmers coming together, That's the way a producer group is formed, it's a bit naive to expect someone to take on the whole country and market millions of cattle. farmers themselves will have to get the finger out themselves....there's no law against starting producer groups and I'm sure if a group comes together, Farm centre will provide information and experience

Processors do not have to negotiate with producer groups. Legislation was to be introduced to force this to happen. There is no push by farm organisation to push this legislation along it is about two years since the European Commission allowed it. No point in trying to form producer groups until that legislation is introduced.

You only have to look at AA and HE schemes no national prices agreed it is up to local negotiations. This means with the higher rates of bonus where cattle have to be booked in months in advance the processor do not have to commit to a base price and you have to negotiate locally. The lamb market is totally different to the beef market and it is like comparing apple's and oranges.

rangler1

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

This is a scandal ,QA is a means of paying under the odds for premium beef which is sold on as value added ,QA should be boycotted.

Like the weight limit on the lambs, they have to penalise farmers for overweight/age or whatever.......is there any other way they'll stop farmers sending in the type of cattle that they don't want.

Danzy

What are R-4= heifers making roughly in the factory.

J.O. Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Like the weight limit on the lambs, they have to penalise farmers for overweight/age or whatever.......is there any other way they'll stop farmers sending in the type of cattle that they don't want.

I think the problem is that bonus implies extra payment for going beyond the basic requirements in production practices where in reality it is a basic requirement.

The other thing is there's already a grid that's supposed to penalise for out of spec cattle and overage cattle aren't payed off the same base as younger cattle.

QA approval for a farm is also based on the production practices and not the spec of cattle being produced so the image that beef can be sold as from a QA farm without the farmer getting the bonus looks bad for the factory.

It's a bit like we're going to give you a bonus and by that we mean we're not giving you a paycut.

They would be as well off paying the QA bonus on all QA cattle and taking the same amount off the base price. The price would be the same but it'd appear that the farmer is being rewarded for maintaining the QA standard.

rangler1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Processors do not have to negotiate with producer groups. Legislation was to be introduced to force this to happen. There is no push by farm organisation to push this legislation along it is about two years since the European Commission allowed it. No point in trying to form producer groups until that legislation is introduced.

You only have to look at AA and HE schemes no national prices agreed it is up to local negotiations. This means with the higher rates of bonus where cattle have to be booked in months in advance the processor do not have to commit to a base price and you have to negotiate locally. The lamb market is totally different to the beef market and it is like comparing apple's and oranges.

I think you're in Dreamland if you think legislation will make processors enter into meaningful negotiations with producer groups,
Groups have to make the product attractive to processors.....guess what that means, yes offering big numbers but also with the majority inspec.. If a group isn't able to offer inspec stock, processors will let them go whistle, legislation or not. Or worse take at a price if they can dump it somewhere
Lamb or beef, Markets are all the same, legislation won't sell a product that's not wanted.

valtra2

What would a 935kg cow make in factory. 6 year old and fat

cute geoge

valtra2 wrote: »

What would a 935kg cow make in factory. 6 year old and fat

What breed is she ???
If she is tight cow without a big belly suckler bred she could kill out 48/49% multiply that by price quoted lets say €3.30 =€1480
deduct haulage +factory levies - 40
€1440 best case sceaniro

valtra2

cute geoge wrote: »

What breed is she ???
If she is tight cow without a big belly suckler bred she could kill out 48/49% multiply that by price quoted lets say €3.30 =€1480
deduct haulage +factory levies - 40
€1440 best case sceaniro

Limousine. No big tall shape cow

Bass Reeves

rangler1 wrote: »

I think you're in Dreamland if you think legislation will make processors enter into meaningful negotiations with producer groups,
Groups have to make the product attractive to processors.....guess what that means, yes offering big numbers but also with the majority inspec.. If a group isn't able to offer inspec stock, processors will let them go whistle, legislation or not. Or worse take at a price if they can dump it somewhere
Lamb or beef, Markets are all the same, legislation won't sell a product that's not wanted.

The fact is rangler is that we cannot form producer groups until the processors are forced to negotiate with us. It is not in there interest that we have that right. This is where you misunderstand the difference between beef and lamb. A complete lamb goes to one market. It is not the same with a steer or heifer. The steaks may go one direction and they will steak as much as possible. After that the carcass is split to different markets. most beef is now vacum packed into different cuts for different market specs.

What is inspec in one market is out of spec in another. A neighbour bought a bunch of aged(26-30) month cattle last year. They were very light for age some were suckler bred cattle 400-440kgs and Friesians 380-400kgs. He killed the Friesians last june sub 300kgs DW however the suckler bred cattle only came fit in the last few weeks. They were gone over 36 months but because they killed sub 350kgs there was no problem getting them slaughtered he got the normal base but felt he had little bargaining power but he was not penalized by the factory that they went to.


Very few finishers will have an issue supplying stock to spec, what few realize is that processors now prefer lighter carcasses that we imagine down sub 330 kgs but with a fat cover of 3. There is plenty of attractive beef out there but as producers we cannot negotiate until the legislation is in place. However it will not suit larger feedlot farmers as everyone will have a chance to grab the same price and contract the cattle in at that price.

Cavanjack

Danzy wrote: »

What are R-4= heifers making roughly in the factory.

€3.90 kg

rangler1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The fact is rangler is that we cannot form producer groups until the processors are forced to negotiate with us. It is not in there interest that we have that right. This is where you misunderstand the difference between beef and lamb. A complete lamb goes to one market. It is not the same with a steer or heifer. The steaks may go one direction and they will steak as much as possible. After that the carcass is split to different markets. most beef is now vacum packed into different cuts for different market specs.

What is inspec in one market is out of spec in another. A neighbour bought a bunch of aged(26-30) month cattle last year. They were very light for age some were suckler bred cattle 400-440kgs and Friesians 380-400kgs. He killed the Friesians last june sub 300kgs DW however the suckler bred cattle only came fit in the last few weeks. They were gone over 36 months but because they killed sub 350kgs there was no problem getting them slaughtered he got the normal base but felt he had little bargaining power but he was not penalized by the factory that they went to.


Very few finishers will have an issue supplying stock to spec, what few realize is that processors now prefer lighter carcasses that we imagine down sub 330 kgs but with a fat cover of 3. There is plenty of attractive beef out there but as producers we cannot negotiate until the legislation is in place. However it will not suit larger feedlot farmers as everyone will have a chance to grab the same price and contract the cattle in at that price.

The day of the complete lamb going to one market is well gone, ICM has spent millions on developing different products from lamb.
THere's no legislation going to happen, Public service interference with any industry is bad news, they never seem to see any implications of their messing, Government is better to stay out of it, if they achieved a decent health service, law enforcemnt, wateways manangement it'd be a start.....and you want them involved in meat processing....forget it

valtra2

cute geoge wrote: »

What breed is she ???
If she is tight cow without a big belly suckler bred she could kill out 48/49% multiply that by price quoted lets say €3.30 =€1480
deduct haulage +factory levies - 40
€1440 best case sceaniro

Will stick to the mart I think. 1760 925kg 9year old

Never wrestle with pigs

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

This is a scandal ,QA is a means of paying under the odds for premium beef which is sold on as value added ,QA should be boycotted.

Any way cattle whether they are 1kg or 100kg out of spec that the farmer doesn't get payed the qa is cut and put in the same truck as any inspec cattle. They love this type of beef because it's cheap.

The fifth quater is another good one. I've seen the invoices, last year they were getting nearly €5 kg for tungs, beef cheeks, tryp, and another off cut I can't remember the name of.

Liver, kidneys, esophagus, and pancreas going for dog food at €3.00 kg

The leather going for €30.00 per animal.

The hoofs and shin packed and sold to Africa. Stomach lining sold to China.

Big U grade cull cows sold to France for €7.00 kg

Weighing scales set at -2 kg everywhere to cater for the 1 kg hook that they use to hang the cattle with. Another free kg thanks.

All that extra fat trimming for oil to sell.

Dodge grading system that needs to be flung out the door.

In a really well run modern factory the fifth quarter payes all overheads and every gram of red meat is profit.

This is gold. They get audited by themselves. Ah yes a good pat on the back, a cup of tea, and I'll just leave that envelope there.

They are worse than any criminal gang and who is going to stop them? I've seen first hand a new head vet taking over a factory and digging heals in to get everything to run as it should by the letter of the law and that same vet was replaced a few weeks later because the factory had the power or leverage in the department of ag. Ag officials turn a blind eye to things and be in drinking tea for a few hours. If they say anything they loose their cushy numbers and the €80.00 per hour we pay them.

I could write a book on it. They run everything even our department of agg ffs. They are untouchable.

Our government body needs a major shakeup. And qu needs a big shake up or scraped. Using it to pull base price. No one with the power has the balls to do anything about it.

Huge investment needs to be put in to try create more live exports. Not this crap you here about China that will only make money for Larry and not a cent to the farmer.

The whole industry is rotten to the core.

rangler1

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Any way cattle whether they are 1kg or 100kg out of spec that the farmer doesn't get payed the qa is cut and put in the same truck as any inspec cattle. They love this type of beef because it's cheap.

The fifth quater is another good one. I've seen the invoices, last year they were getting nearly €5 kg for tungs, beef cheeks, tryp, and another off cut I can't remember the name of.

Liver, kidneys, esophagus, and pancreas going for dog food at €3.00 kg

The leather going for €30.00 per animal.

The hoofs and shin packed and sold to Africa. Stomach lining sold to China.

Big U grade cull cows sold to France for €7.00 kg

Weighing scales set at -2 kg everywhere to cater for the 1 kg hook that they use to hang the cattle with. Another free kg thanks.

All that extra fat trimming for oil to sell.

Dodge grading system that needs to be flung out the door.

In a really well run modern factory the fifth quarter payes all overheads and every gram of red meat is profit.

This is gold. They get audited by themselves. Ah yes a good pat on the back, a cup of tea, and I'll just leave that envelope there.

They are worse than any criminal gang and who is going to stop them? I've seen first hand a new head vet taking over a factory and digging heals in to get everything to run as it should by the letter of the law and that same vet was replaced a few weeks later because the factory had the power or leverage in the department of ag. Ag officials turn a blind eye to things and be in drinking tea for a few hours. If they say anything they loose their cushy numbers and the €80.00 per hour we pay them.

I could write a book on it. They run everything even our department of agg ffs. They are untouchable.

Our government body needs a major shakeup. And qu needs a big shake up or scraped. Using it to pull base price. No one with the power has the balls to do anything about it.

Huge investment needs to be put in to try create more live exports. Not this crap you here about China that will only make money for Larry and not a cent to the farmer.

The whole industry is rotten to the core.

Grass is always greener etc etc......don't know much about it but are the two half carcases not weighed together, ie two hooks.
I'd imagine you're allowed the value of the offal in the price, probably ten or twenty cents/kg. I know a drop in value of lamb skins make a huge difference to lamb pricee when it happens.
You should be loading a forty foot fridge trailer with cow carcases if you can turn that on them.
Isn't there a saying that everyone should walk a mile in other mens shoes or something

Never wrestle with pigs

rangler1 wrote: »

Grass is always greener etc etc......don't know much about it but are the two half carcases not weighed together, ie two hooks.
I'd imagine you're allowed the value of the offal in the price, probably ten or twenty cents/kg. I know a drop in value of lamb skins make a huge difference when it happens.
You should be loading a forty foot fridge trailer with cow carcases if you can turn that on them

Two sides are weighed individually, so actually I never thought of it that it's actually two free kgs per animal.

The cows for that money are the big u= u+ grade girls.

The leather was making close to €70 about 10 years ago.

It's just tip of the iceberg stuff that the monkey (i.e. Me) knows.

Pidae.m

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Two sides are weighed individually, so actually I never thought of it that it's actually two free kgs per animal.

The cows for that money are the big u= u+ grade girls.

The leather was making close to €70 about 10 years ago.

It's just tip of the iceberg stuff that the monkey (i.e. Me) knows.

Ya a lad at home here is working for a factory the last year and a half. Says from what he has seen behind the scenes that farmers haven't hope.

Also the fat trimming from factory to factory is a disgrace.

rangler1

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Two sides are weighed individually, so actually I never thought of it that it's actually two free kgs per animal.

The cows for that money are the big u= u+ grade girls.

The leather was making close to €70 about 10 years ago.

It's just tip of the iceberg stuff that the monkey (i.e. Me) knows.

The gist of my post is that there's nothing stopping you selling or slaughtering yourself, A neghbour has a nice little earner in an abbatoir and he started 30 yrs ago in a 12ft by 12ft butchers shop in the local village and has bought 100acres plus and built his abbatoir in a greenfield site.
His first little shop is still rented out.....to a barber and it;s barely big enough for even that.
Plenty begrudging these guys but not prepared to put in the work, as you say it's a money machine if you just get your finger out

Never wrestle with pigs

rangler1 wrote: »

The gist of my post is that there's nothing stopping you selling or slaughtering yourself, A neghbour has a nice little earner in an abbatoir and he started 30 yrs ago in a 12ft by 12ft butchers shop in the local village and has bought 100acres plus and built his abbatoir in a greenfield site.
His first little shop is still rented out.....to a barber and it;s barely big enough for even that.
Plenty begrudging these guys but not prepared to put in the work, as you say it's a money machine if you just get your finger out

In the last person to begrudge someone making a buck. Trust me on that. But plain robbery is different. Unfortunately you can't just decide to start like that anymore with rules and regs these days and don't forget jobs for the boys.

You'd be at nothing with anything less than €500k to start that now and I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

rangler1

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

In the last person to begrudge someone making a buck. Trust me on that. But plain robbery is different. Unfortunately you can't just decide to start like that anymore with rules and regs these days and don't forget jobs for the boys.

You'd be at nothing with anything less than €500k to start that now and I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

The guy in my post wasn't either.....quite the oppsite in fact, hard working family.
Stupid throwing around hearsay like you have and afraid to prove or disprove.
Saw a guy doing it in a meeting, he either had to apologise or go to court :rolleyes:

Never wrestle with pigs

rangler1 wrote: »

Saw a guy doing it in a meeting, he either had to apologise or go to court :rolleyes:

Exactly why I am not allowed to prove it to you. It would be illegal. I'm not going to start an argument with you over it because I might as well be talking to a plank. The more people that talk about it the better as someone in power might eventually pull the finger out. But I doubt it.

rangler1

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Exactly why I am not allowed to prove it to you. It would be illegal. I'm not going to start an argument with you over it because I might as well be talking to a plank. The more people that talk about it the better as someone in power might eventually pull the finger out. But I doubt it.

I see, You won't act on hearsay but you expect someone else to........riiiggggght.

Willfarman

there was plenty of hearsay about pablo Escobar in the 80's but what hope had a few honest men against such power wealth and tyranny..,

Wes Palmer Lee

they were never the same after Kym Marsh left if you ask me......!

Never wrestle with pigs

rangler1 wrote: »

I see, You won't act on hearsay but you expect someone else to........riiiggggght.

Not hearsay, I've worked inside one of the big ones and saw allot. Who would listen? The just as bent ifa? Oh ya the factory collects their wage too! The dep of agg? They do what they want it's as simple as they that.

rangler1

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Not hearsay, I've worked inside one of the big ones and saw allot. Who would listen? The just as bent ifa? Oh ya the factory collects their wage too! The dep of agg? They do what they want it's as simple as they that.

You know you can prove nothing, there's plenty out there that'd pick up the gauntlet if it was any credibility to your claims.
I'm not happy with prices but I wouldn't be bothered making spurious accusation about the processors because of it.

Willfarman

The wealth of an industry worth 2.5 billion a year to the detriment of entire rural economy is in the control of half dozen families. There is no one to take up the gauntlet for the down trodden.

The list of scandals that Larry goodman has come through unscathed would prove you are talking out of your proverbial rangler.

Willfarman

http://www.thatsfarming.com/news/profile-larry-goodman-controversy-and-success-a-profile-of-ireland-s-biggest-beef-baron

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

The wealth of an industry worth 2.5 billion a year to the detriment of entire rural economy is in the control of half dozen families. There is no one to take up the gauntlet for the down trodden.

The list of scandals that Larry goodman has come through unscathed would prove you are talking out of your proverbial rangler.

No, just proving that you haven't the courage of your convictions, It's simple, Either it's true or not.....As they say in After Hours ''Pics or gtfo'' ....at the moment it just sounds lame, sad even,
Incidentally if you do put these guy outa business who are you putting in their place, there's no one queueing up to buy factories

Base price

rangler1 wrote: »

No, just proving that you haven't the courage of your convictions, It's simple, Either it's true or not.....As they say in After Hours ''Pics or gtfo'' ....at the moment it just sounds lame, sad even,
Incidentally if you do put these guy outa business who are you putting in their place, there's no one queueing up to buy factories

Here we go again
Can anyone explain to me why there are no figure/results published on the required EU mandatory checks by our Dept on VIA (Video Image Analysis) machines in the meat factories/plants where they are used to classify the carcasses that we are paid on.
As far as I remember at the time (2002/2003?), the State - that's you, I and every citizen paid (at considerable cost to the exchequer) for the purchase and instillation of VIA equipment in meat plants. I remember because at the time there was controversy in Brussels that it amounted to State intervention within the beef industry which was not allowed, however it seems to have been ignored possibly due to IFA intervention?
Since we (the State) paid for the machines - thereby giving the factories a big freggin financial leg up - we have a right to have access to all the data, in particular EU mandatory checks by factory.
I have stated previously on another simular thread that a FOI request needs to be submitted to obtain this information.
Edit: seems to me there is no appetite to request such info - rock the boat too much etc, etc...

gerryirl

i think rangler1 is actually Larry goodman ....lol

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

Here we go again
Can anyone explain to me why there are no figure/results published on the required EU mandatory checks by our Dept on VIA (Video Image Analysis) machines in the meat factories/plants where they are used to classify the carcasses that we are paid on.
As far as I remember at the time (2002/2003?), the State - that's you, I and every citizen paid (at considerable cost to the exchequer) for the purchase and instillation of VIA equipment in meat plants. I remember because at the time there was controversy in Brussels that it amounted to State intervention within the beef industry which was not allowed, however it seems to have been ignored possibly due to IFA intervention?
Since we (the State) paid for the machines - thereby giving the factories a big freggin financial leg up - we have a right to have access to all the data, in particular EU mandatory checks by factory.
I have stated previously on another simular thread that a FOI request needs to be submitted to obtain this information.
Edit: seems to me there is no appetite to request such info - rock the boat too much etc, etc...

I've asked plenty for proof of what's claimed here and there was none, and I've learnt the hard way to not go into anything just on a farmers say so, so forgive me if i sound sceptical.
I'm finishing farming now but I'd only be delighted to hear a farmer actually putting some effort into these claims, but it's not gonna happen so we just have read more and more of this rubbish

gerryirl

your finishing farming .. can I ask why?

mf240

Does a bear ****e in the woods.

According to rangler, only If someone has photos

mf240

gerryirl wrote: »

your finishing farming .. can I ask why?

He's going into public relations. That kind of charismatic personality was wasted on the sheep

Base price

rangler1 wrote: »

I've asked plenty for proof of what's claimed here and there was none, and I've learnt the hard way to not go into anything just on a farmers say so, so forgive me if i sound sceptical.
I'm finishing farming now but I'd only be delighted to hear a farmer actually putting some effort into these claims, but it's not gonna happen so we just have read more and more of this rubbish

In fairness Rangler you are thoroughly consistent. Your above response is more or less a carbon copy of your previous response to my simular previous post.
Here is a clip from 2008 DEFRA report - https://screenshots.firefox.com/gyncaZhq3lyNHZ6k/webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk
From the original DEFRA report http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110318141910/http://www.defra.gov.uk/evidence/economics/foodfarm/reports/carcaseclassification/Full%20Version.pdf

rangler1

gerryirl wrote: »

your finishing farming .. can I ask why?

Time to retire, time marching on etc etc

Base price

rangler1 wrote: »

Time to retire, time marching on etc etc

When is your sale - sometime early September from memory.

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

In fairness Rangler you are thoroughly consistent. Your above response is more or less a carbon copy of your previous response to my simular previous post.
Here is a clip from 2008 DEFRA report - https://screenshots.firefox.com/gyncaZhq3lyNHZ6k/webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk
From the original DEFRA report http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110318141910/http://www.defra.gov.uk/evidence/economics/foodfarm/reports/carcaseclassification/Full%20Version.pdf

Here's a fair question then, if these knowalls know so much about the inconsistencies in factories, why don't they follow it up.
I don't care what any report says, a friend used to claim that the paper in them was a bit hard for what he'd use them for.
Quoting Public service doesn't impress me as you know

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

When is your sale - sometime early September from memory.

Next Saturday, it'll be a big ask, 350 ewes for sale, 2.30 in TULLAMORE MART,
Thanks for giving the lead in to advertise it

rangler1

mf240 wrote: »

He's going into public relations. That kind of charismatic personality was wasted on the sheep

I was always brought to meetings with politicians because of my PR skills, pity more farmers aren't capable of putting the boot in when there's an issue