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Cavanjack

Any updates for next week? 4.05 best I've heard for bullocks. 4.15 for u grade bulls

dryan

4.05 base for bullocks still on the plate for next week in the midlands.

have a few to go, I rang on tuesday to get them in by the end of the week and was told that they are fully booked up and cant kill till next week.

Agent was telling me allot of cows and cattle that are not fully fit getting killed at the moment, presumably due to fodder shortage.

whelan2

dryan wrote: »

4.05 base for bullocks still on the plate for next week in the midlands.

have a few to go, I rang on tuesday to get them in by the end of the week and was told that they are fully booked up and cant kill till next week.

Agent was telling me allot of cows and cattle that are not fully fit getting killed at the moment, presumably due to fodder shortage.

My cows were to go yesterday but are put off until tomorrow

CloughCasey1

4.05 bp this week. Have a few ready for road. Anything considerably better out there?

Muckit

4.10 if u can turn them into heifers

Cavanjack

4.05 seems to be the height of it ok

Cavanjack

4.05 seems to be the height of it ok

dryan

A few bullocks gone this morning @ 4.05 base

CloughCasey1

dryan wrote: »

A few bullocks gone this morning @ 4.05 base

How did they do for ya? Few hex gone this morning.

dryan

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

How did they do for ya? Few hex gone this morning.

Ahh, bit disapointed to be honest with the grades considering the amount of feed they got the last six weeks.... although its not the first time there were grading issues with the same factory (midlands, kilbeggan area) over the last year....
a mixture of CHX and LMX.
Thought i would have a few U grades on the batch but ended up with a mixture of R+ and R=, FS all in 3 range.

Weights just about OK.

by the time i replace them there will be f*** all left to play with...

Bass Reeves

dryan wrote: »

Ahh, bit disapointed to be honest with the grades considering the amount of feed they got the last six weeks.... although its not the first time there were grading issues with the same factory (midlands, kilbeggan area) over the last year....
a mixture of CHX and LMX.
Thought i would have a few U grades on the batch but ended up with a mixture of R+ and R=, FS all in 3 range.

Weights just about OK.

by the time i replace them there will be f*** all left to play with...

How long had you then what gross margin did they leave

CloughCasey1

dryan wrote: »

Ahh, bit disapointed to be honest with the grades considering the amount of feed they got the last six weeks.... although its not the first time there were grading issues with the same factory (midlands, kilbeggan area) over the last year....
a mixture of CHX and LMX.
Thought i would have a few U grades on the batch but ended up with a mixture of R+ and R=, FS all in 3 range.

Weights just about OK.

by the time i replace them there will be f*** all left to play with...

Its a fine margin game. The weather this spring and the whole backend of last year didnt help one bit. Spent more time looking for shelter than grazing.

CloughCasey1

dryan wrote: »

Ahh, bit disapointed to be honest with the grades considering the amount of feed they got the last six weeks.... although its not the first time there were grading issues with the same factory (midlands, kilbeggan area) over the last year....
a mixture of CHX and LMX.
Thought i would have a few U grades on the batch but ended up with a mixture of R+ and R=, FS all in 3 range.

Weights just about OK.

by the time i replace them there will be f*** all left to play with...

Mine killed out poorly also. 330kg ave all O+ 3=/+. 28mts ave. No profit this time round. ☺

dryan

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Mine killed out poorly also. 330kg ave all O+ 3=/+. 28mts ave. No profit this time round. ☺

Avg carcass weight - 388kg
1 > 30 months
rest were < 30 months.

before they left the yard, would have been content with avg carcass weight > 400kg

dryan

Bass Reeves wrote: »

How long had you then what gross margin did they leave

i do my best to get cattle in and out within the 12 month time frame on average. doesnt always work out....

my gross margin per animal, for me this is what i have left over once i have replaced the ones i have sold.
i do try and target 600 - 650 gross margin per animal.
for example, if i kill 10 bullocks at an average of 1650 each, i do my best to replace them for the 1000 euro each.

Cavanjack

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Mine killed out poorly also. 330kg ave all O+ 3=/+. 28mts ave. No profit this time round. ☺

Always find the hex don't die well. They look well and all but usually disappointed with their weights.

whelan2

Sent a red fr cow to the factory last week, she had bad feet and we had to cut off two of her teats, she was being fed well since last November, she weighed307kg dead @ 3.20 euro/kg came into 985 euro graded p2

charolais0153

whelan2 wrote: »

Sent a red fr cow to the factory last week, she had bad feet and we had to cut off two of her teats, she was being fed well since last November, she weighed307kg dead @ 3.20 euro/kg came into 985 euro graded p2

Mad too. Got 3:40 for young bull in 2014. E grade. Only fs1

gerryirl

dryan wrote: »

i do my best to get cattle in and out within the 12 month time frame on average. doesnt always work out....

my gross margin per animal, for me this is what i have left over once i have replaced the ones i have sold.
i do try and target 600 - 650 gross margin per animal.
for example, if i kill 10 bullocks at an average of 1650 each, i do my best to replace them for the 1000 euro each.

what weight replacement weanlings/stores are you buying at €1000

Pidae.m

Cavanjack wrote: »

Always find the hex don't die well. They look well and all but usually disappointed with their weights.

Woolly & no power.

dryan

gerryirl wrote: »

what weight replacement weanlings/stores are you buying at €1000

Im just using this figure as an example.
i try buy in replacement stores in the 380 - 450kg weight range.

The price i pay for these are controlled to certain extent by factory prices.
sometimes i can pick up replacements at < 1000 if factory prices are low.
other times i could go to 1150 if factory prices are high.

blue5000

Cavanjack wrote: »

Always find the hex don't die well. They look well and all but usually disappointed with their weights.

I think it's probably because of fat cover and marbling. Fat isn't as dense as muscle. Any lift in prices? Meal has gone up a fair whack in the last few weeks.

Muckit

Killed 3 heifers lately.
R=4= 28mths
U-3+ 22mths
U=3+ 24mths
334kg avg. Never seen grass this year. 74dmd silage only. You read about the importance of making good silage but this is one good lesson that will stick in my brain this dismal spring.

Bass Reeves

dryan wrote: »

Im just using this figure as an example.
i try buy in replacement stores in the 380 - 450kg weight range.

The price i pay for these are controlled to certain extent by factory prices.
sometimes i can pick up replacements at < 1000 if factory prices are low.
other times i could go to 1150 if factory prices are high.

The cattle that you killed early in the week averages shy of 1600 euro at a guess. To maintain your margin you need to buy sub 1000. As well I imagine that they were finished on silage and ration. I imagine that an average winter costs you over 300/head to finish. I cannot see a net margin of 200/head in them.

It is interesting that I saw Adam Woods in the beef section on the back pages reccommending to lads to finishing forward stores out of the shed in June on adlib ration. Not sure which planet he is on with ration prices going up. But then again Teagasc and the Journal are always pushing production at any cost. But with cattle in 6 months and on ration to some extend it is hard to see thrive in this situation and cost's hitting over 3 euro/head/day.

If lads follow this advice and too many do it you could see a price fall in early June. You would want you straw and silage already in there I imagine a decent ration will cost at least 240/ton and a nut more. Hard to see any margin in that game. He is trying to solve one issue ( possible shortage of silage) by adding huge cost into a fragile system. My advice is finish outside in July/Aug and reduce numbers for next winter.

gerryirl

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The cattle that you killed early in the week averages shy of 1600 euro at a guess. To maintain your margin you need to buy sub 1000. As well I imagine that they were finished on silage and ration. I imagine that an average winter costs you over 300/head to finish. I cannot see a net margin of 200/head in them.

It is interesting that I saw Adam Woods in the beef section on the back pages reccommending to lads to finishing forward stores out of the shed in June on adlib ration. Not sure which planet he is on with ration prices going up. But then again Teagasc and the Journal are always pushing production at any cost. But with cattle in 6 months and on ration to some extend it is hard to see thrive in this situation and cost's hitting over 3 euro/head/day.

If lads follow this advice and too many do it you could see a price fall in early June. You would want you straw and silage already in there I imagine a decent ration will cost at least 240/ton and a nut more. Hard to see any margin in that game. He is trying to solve one issue ( possible shortage of silage) by adding huge cost into a fragile system. My advice is finish outside in July/Aug and reduce numbers for next winter.

I have to agree with you on that one..I picked out a few heavy stores last back end to have finished early. I like many other were hoping to have them on grass a month ago but there not. Im giving them a fair shot of meal and there no where near ready.When they get grass theyll fly it but Id not like to at it till june thats for sure. You'd be robbed. Im giving them a nut its 300 a tonne

Cavanjack

gerryirl wrote: »

I have to agree with you on that one..I picked out a few heavy stores last back end to have finished early. I like many other were hoping to have them on grass a month ago but there not. Im giving them a fair shot of meal and there no where near ready.When they get grass theyll fly it but Id not like to at it till june thats for sure. You'd be robbed. Im giving them a nut its 300 a tonne

That's some money for a finishing nut. What's in it?

Cavanjack

blue5000 wrote: »

I think it's probably because of fat cover and marbling. Fat isn't as dense as muscle. Any lift in prices? Meal has gone up a fair whack in the last few weeks.

Finding it hard to lift. Load of bulls going Monday €4.15 for u's. Might be more if a rise come may. Yeah mills blaming soya price for lift in prices.

gerryirl

Cavanjack wrote: »

That's some money for a finishing nut. What's in it?

Probably cocaine.. there happy all the time . Its an Aurivio super beef I give them excel 2 months before killing then

dryan

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The cattle that you killed early in the week averages shy of 1600 euro at a guess. To maintain your margin you need to buy sub 1000. As well I imagine that they were finished on silage and ration. I imagine that an average winter costs you over 300/head to finish. I cannot see a net margin of 200/head in them.

It is interesting that I saw Adam Woods in the beef section on the back pages reccommending to lads to finishing forward stores out of the shed in June on adlib ration. Not sure which planet he is on with ration prices going up. But then again Teagasc and the Journal are always pushing production at any cost. But with cattle in 6 months and on ration to some extend it is hard to see thrive in this situation and cost's hitting over 3 euro/head/day.

If lads follow this advice and too many do it you could see a price fall in early June. You would want you straw and silage already in there I imagine a decent ration will cost at least 240/ton and a nut more. Hard to see any margin in that game. He is trying to solve one issue ( possible shortage of silage) by adding huge cost into a fragile system. My advice is finish outside in July/Aug and reduce numbers for next winter.

Finishing on the slats is not something im fond of. The only winner in that game is the merchant.
Its just the year thats in it.
Normally i would have the strongest of mine out on grass by early march and aim to finish by mid/late June. Not this year. When it came to letting off the first of the cattle, there were a few that had too much condition on, so i decided to hold them back and feed.

Majority here are finished on grass.

tanko

What would a 25 month old CH x Lim heifer killing out U= 4= 432 kgs about a month ago have made?
What liveweight was she?

valtra2

Have a bb bull here that got a hurt a few months ago and is a bit lame on front leg so can't go to mart. He is 16 months in 2 weeks. And is 700kg. What would ppl do was thinking of factory. Rang and can get 4.10 on the grid. Never sent anything to factory before. All advice welcome.

TITANIUM.

tanko wrote: »

What would a 25 month old CH x Lim heifer killing out U= 4= 432 kgs about a month ago have made?
What liveweight was she?

Been poking in the progeny section of Herdplus have we. She must have been some heifer. I'd be guessing around the 1800 mark but I'll let the experts here give you a precise anwser.

TITANIUM.

valtra2 wrote: »

Have a bb bull here that got a hurt a few months ago and is a bit lame on front leg so can't go to mart. He is 16 months in 2 weeks. And is 700kg. What would ppl do was thinking of factory. Rang and can get 4.10 on the grid. Never sent anything to factory before. All advice welcome.

I had a lad like that at the start of the year. The trouble is you won't get enough fat him and they cut you severely for it. But what can you do he'll have to go at some stage

Cavanjack

tanko wrote: »

What would a 25 month old CH x Lim heifer killing out U= 4= 432 kgs about a month ago have made?
What liveweight was she?

She would have got 18cent extra on the grid plus 12 cent bonus on top of the base price which was roughly €4.15 so €1922. Base price could have been 5 cent more.
She might have weighed 770kg. I'm no expert mind.

Cavanjack

valtra2 wrote: »

Have a bb bull here that got a hurt a few months ago and is a bit lame on front leg so can't go to mart. He is 16 months in 2 weeks. And is 700kg. What would ppl do was thinking of factory. Rang and can get 4.10 on the grid. Never sent anything to factory before. All advice welcome.

If he is quiet feed him on to get a bit of fat cover on him and let him off in a few months. If You haven't been feeding him loads he will go down on fat score and they'll ride You.

tanko

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Been poking in the progeny section of Herdplus have we. She must have been some heifer. I'd be guessing around the 1800 mark but I'll let the experts here give you a precise anwser.

Yeah, something to do while looking out at the monsoon. She was as good a heifer as ive had for a while, was 585kgs €1385 in mid January.
FSZ x ION, not bad for a two star cow.

blue5000

valtra2 wrote: »

Have a bb bull here that got a hurt a few months ago and is a bit lame on front leg so can't go to mart. He is 16 months in 2 weeks. And is 700kg. What would ppl do was thinking of factory. Rang and can get 4.10 on the grid. Never sent anything to factory before. All advice welcome.

You'd need to get him to a 2+ minimum for fat cover. Is he in or out? He won't thrive on slats with a lame foot, can you get the foot trimmed or is the hurt higher up?

valtra2

blue5000 wrote: »

You'd need to get him to a 2+ minimum for fat cover. Is he in or out? He won't thrive on slats with a lame foot, can you get the foot trimmed or is the hurt higher up?

He in on straw. No he hurt up higher. Got hurt when he was 8 months old had vet out twice and just said it might come right. Has not got worse

Bass Reeves

valtra2 wrote: »

He in on straw. No he hurt up higher. Got hurt when he was 8 months old had vet out twice and just said it might come right. Has not got worse

If you can let him out into a small field with good grass, build him up onto 8-10 kg of a high energy low protein nut/ration. As most nuts/ration will be minimum 14% buy straight barley and feed it half and half. Split feed into 2-3 sessions. Give him 100 grams of limestone flour / day as well to stop acidosis

White Clover

What are lads being quoted this week?

valtra2

White Clover wrote: »

What are lads being quoted this week?

4.10 young bull.

valtra2

valtra2 wrote: »

Have a bb bull here that got a hurt a few months ago and is a bit lame on front leg so can't go to mart. He is 16 months in 2 weeks. And is 700kg. What would ppl do was thinking of factory. Rang and can get 4.10 on the grid. Never sent anything to factory before. All advice welcome.

Sent him off today. Killed out at 405 kg and a u 3 .don't know any more

White Clover

valtra2 wrote: »

4.10 young bull.

Just quoted 4.15 for bullocks. I'm looking for more, agent to get back to me.

Cavanjack

valtra2 wrote: »

Sent him off today. Killed out at 405 kg and a u 3 .don't know any more

Should come in to near 1800 so. Foot fat cover for a young bull that was injured.

Bass Reeves

valtra2 wrote: »

Sent him off today. Killed out at 405 kg and a u 3 .don't know any more

If it was a base of 4.1 you will gett ay least 4.34/kg if U- . He should gross at least 1750. For every step on the grid he goes up you will get nerly 25 euro extra.

blue5000

White Clover wrote: »

Just quoted 4.15 for bullocks. I'm looking for more, agent to get back to me.

In fairness I reckon you'd need more. How long have they been in? Ramadam starts today. Demand for steers should be up.

White Clover

blue5000 wrote: »

In fairness I reckon you'd need more. How long have they been in? Ramadam starts today. Demand for steers should be up.

Spot on.

Willfarman

Ramadan is a fast!!??

TITANIUM.

Willfarman wrote: »

Ramadan is a fast!!??

Only during the day, At night, They Feast!

Willfarman

That's not what I'm reading. It's the end of Ramadan peak demand is. Eid al fitr