beef price tracker

bogman_bass

Exporters are the great white hope at the moment. The more stock we can get out of the country the better this year.

riemann

It is never good advice to wait, or hang on when finishing steers.

If they're fit they're fit and any gain in weight will be cancelled out by a fall in price because if your stock are gaining weight chances are everyone elses are too.

It is important to live in the real world, the beef industry is far from perfect and may even be a cartel, but dreaming of high prices in August or September is not conceivable unless we see another horse meat type scandal.

If anything a high finishing price will wreak havoc the following year as this would push the price of restocking up with a high likelihood of finishing prices returning to the mean.

Danzy

There are still masses of Cattle in the country, kills arent up so much as to really change that, yet look what it has done to the price.

There are lots of cattle on a bale, ration and eating stalky remnants and they are doing surprisingly well of what one would think of as the worst of grass.

So we have a lot of cattle still to kill, fields getting stripped bare and not growing back.

On top of that Cows that might not have been culled till next year or the year after are being lined up for the bolt goodo.

I'm treating it as we if are in September now, time to drive em on and get them gone cause whatever happens everyone else is going to be forced to do the same unless it pisses for a fortnight and even then the factory will not improve things much because the cattle will still have to get the bolt sometime.

I might be wrong on it, and it may be different for each person but I cant see the benefit in giving the factory a specimen beast for what a much poorer animal would make now, probably in any year, but certainly in this one.

Burning Tires

I sent 17 off there on Thursday. The lorry man said they were fine cattle as i thought most of them were, 2 O's and 2 U's is what i thought.
Then the lorry man said that because we were supposed to get €4 base that he reckoned the ***kers on the grid would screw us.... just because they can .

Came back 6 O's and 1 U. (The rest R's)I was bucking.

Willfarman

Midlands factory?

Burning Tires

Willfarman wrote: »

Midlands factory?

North Cork

Bass Reeves

Burning Tires wrote: »

North Cork

It Dawns on me that I might know the place would not be in a hurry to send cattle there.

Muckit

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It Dawns on me that I might know the place would not be in a hurry to send cattle there.

Sure you'd be only glad if they got the grades wrong....sure tis only up they could go!

(sorry sir the ball came in lovely and twud to a sin not to pull on it!)

Danzy

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It Dawns on me that I might know the place would not be in a hurry to send cattle there.

Thanks for the reminder I must call the agent to see how the Cattle did, off they went this morning.

West along the road might be an option, 12 miles extra but that is small.

grassroot1

Burning Tires wrote: »

I sent 17 off there on Thursday. The lorry man said they were fine cattle as i thought most of them were, 2 O's and 2 U's is what i thought.
Then the lorry man said that because we were supposed to get €4 base that he reckoned the ***kers on the grid would screw us.... just because they can .

Came back 6 O's and 1 U. (The rest R's)I was bucking.

Were they on meal?

Burning Tires

grassroot1 wrote: »

Were they on meal?

No. They never get meal here.

Willfarman

Were the at least o+?

Burning Tires

Willfarman wrote: »

Were the at least o+?

Yes.

Willfarman

It’s not the worst scutching I’ve heard of so.. the midlands plants are great for the 5 cent in the price but if a faraway mug falls for it they clip clean cattle and charge for it and grade them like Mongolian donkeys.

Burning Tires

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It Dawns on me that I might know the place would not be in a hurry to send cattle there.

Not that far north... keep packing information into your brain

Neddyusa

What quotes are ye getting this week for under 30 mth bullocks?

Hershall

Neddyusa wrote: »

What quotes are ye getting this week for under 30 mth bullocks?

3.90 midlands

gerryirl

Hershall wrote: »

3.90 midlands

ya got 3.90 today for cattle. The weanling would want to well cheap this backend I tell ya or I think I'll become a summer time farmer

Danzy

gerryirl wrote: »

ya got 3.90 today for cattle. The weanling would want to well cheap this backend I tell ya or I think I'll become a summer time farmer

It looks like they will be, the economics and logic of short fodder adds to it but they will not be as cheap as things suggest.

Logic and the mart ring are often not on speaking terms.

gerryirl

Danzy wrote: »

Logic and the mart ring are often not on speaking terms.

Now you said it

Hard Knocks

gerryirl wrote: »

ya got 3.90 today for cattle. The weanling would want to well cheap this backend I tell ya or I think I'll become a summer time farmer

After all the dry cows sold the last few years there mightn’t be the plentiful

sonnybill

Hard Knocks wrote: »

After all the dry cows sold the last few years there mightn’t be the plentiful

I think there will be a lot of suckler cows for sale this back end, drought leading to less fodder , the available fodder will be expensive And the suckler cow won’t generate anywhere near the € that the black and white can to justify E40 a bale of hay

Bass Reeves

gerryirl wrote: »

ya got 3.90 today for cattle. The weanling would want to well cheap this backend I tell ya or I think I'll become a summer time farmer

I think weanling and stores will be under fierce pressure this back end. There is no second cut silage

Danzy wrote: »

It looks like they will be, the economics and logic of short fodder adds to it but they will not be as cheap as things suggest.

Logic and the mart ring are often not on speaking terms.

It will not just be fodder but ration will be crazy money as well. Bulk ration will be 280ish/ton. Bags 8.5-9 euro/bag if it is any way decent. No finisher has money in his pocket and they have not a lot of silage either

Hard Knocks wrote: »

After all the dry cows sold the last few years there mightn’t be the plentiful

There will be plenty of them, higher percentage of beef breed calves off dairy cows.

sonnybill wrote: »

I think there will be a lot of suckler cows for sale this back end, drought leading to less fodder , the available fodder will be expensive And the suckler cow won’t generate anywhere near the € that the black and white can to justify E40 a bale of hay

Everything will be under pressure. Lads will have big ration bill before the winter starts at all. As cheap as store or cull goes there still will not be buyers.

whelan2

sonnybill wrote: »

I think there will be a lot of suckler cows for sale this back end, drought leading to less fodder , the available fodder will be expensive And the suckler cow won’t generate anywhere near the € that the black and white can to justify E40 a bale of hay

Got bales of hay yesterday for €25 each

gerryirl

whelan2 wrote: »

Got bales of hay yesterday for €25 each

Were they small square ones:D

Seriously though that's not bad price as long as it's good stuff. A lot of rushes baled up this way for bedding as I'd say straw will not be got

whelan2

gerryirl wrote: »

Were they small square ones:D

Seriously though that's not bad price as long as it's good stuff. A lot of rushes baled up this way for bedding as I'd say straw will not be got

ye nice enough stuff, will give it to sucklers in the autumn

Hard Knocks

sonnybill wrote: »

I think there will be a lot of suckler cows for sale this back end, drought leading to less fodder , the available fodder will be expensive And the suckler cow won’t generate anywhere near the € that the black and white can to justify E40 a bale of hay

Most suckler farmers (up this way anyway) won’t be too badly effected as they keep same amount of cows, cut same amount

KAMG

3.90 base yesterday in the midlands. Grades seemed a little on the harsh side but maybe I'm imagining it!

CloughCasey1

gerryirl wrote: »

whelan2 wrote: »

Got bales of hay yesterday for €25 each

Were they small square ones:D

Seriously though that's not bad price as long as it's good stuff. A lot of rushes baled up this way for bedding as I'd say straw will not be got

Have booked straw at €35 for rounds. No price for big squares yet.

whelan2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Have booked straw at €35 for rounds. No price for big squares yet.

Was talking to my straw man last night. He said its crazy the amount t of lads ringing looking for straw and last year ya couldn't give it away

TITANIUM.

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to my straw man last night. He said its crazy the amount t of lads ringing looking for straw and last year ya couldn't give it away

Straw was expensive last year.

tanko

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Straw was expensive last year.

Got round bales of straw delivered for €18 in August last year, it got expensive after that.

mayota

Any issues with killing cattle that are only in the herd for a week or so?

Cavanjack

mayota wrote: »

Any issues with killing cattle that are only in the herd for a week or so?

None at all but You won't get the 12cent quality bonus

grassroot1

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Most suckler farmers (up this way anyway) won’t be too badly effected as they keep same amount of cows, cut same amount

Well you might be right but around here we cut the same or more but did not get what we need for winter.
I would think there might be a lot of suckler cows for sale but not too many willing to buy them if they are incalf

whelan2

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Straw was expensive last year.

I'd say he meant the stuff that couldn't be baled until ages after it was cut

Hard Knocks

grassroot1 wrote: »

Well you might be right but around here we cut the same or more but did not get what we need for winter.
I would think there might be a lot of suckler cows for sale but not too many willing to buy them if they are incalf

It was discussed recently
If they’re goo sort bring up this way, later on
A good one will make a good price, but strong dairy influenced not as good
Heard could be lots of dry cows as Problems getting incalf due to last year

sonnybill

whelan2 wrote: »

Got bales of hay yesterday for €25 each

That’s v good, Out west you can add a E10 transport cost

Pidae.m

Was in fermoy yesterday at the boat , thought 170/180 per kilo live was a great price for bad cattle plenty of Frx there .

sonnybill

What R+ Cull cows making in factory ?

cute geoge

o/p cows quoted at only €2.90 flat in munster ,although local lad with a few loads got €3.10 flat earlier this week

Willfarman

The glut of prime cattle has passed.
And it will be steady as she goes for a good while now.

Buford T. Justice XIX

cute geoge wrote: »

o/p cows quoted at only €2.90 flat in munster ,although local lad with a few loads got €3.10 flat earlier this week

Taking to a lad in Wexford yesterday and he was saying there is a two week wait to kill a cow in the SE.

Willfarman

It was taking nearly that to get prime cattle killed too.. until today. They were boasting of another pull for Monday midweek but they ain’t getting the cattle. Possibly a bounce back coming. The milk men are throwing underfleshed cow at them devil may care attitude but good cows are a better trade.

Willfarman

https://www.bordbia.ie/industry/farmers/pricetracking/cattle/pages/default.aspx

Interesting that we are not that much behind last year on price..

Bass Reeves

Willfarman wrote: »

https://www.bordbia.ie/industry/farmers/pricetracking/cattle/pages/default.aspx

Interesting that we are not that much behind last year on price..

In theory yes. But cattle are coming 20-30kgs DW lighter That is 100 euro on an animal. Gardes are back a bit as well costing another 3-4 cent or 8-10 euro. Costs are up after the winter and cattle have eaten naerly twice the meal before slaughter and ration are 20-30/ton more erxpensive all this adds another 35 euro/head.

Add it all togeather and it is costing 150/head. The big killer will be the fodder situation it will be uneconomic to buy cattle you do not have fodder for.

Willfarman

Factory beef price isn’t theoretical?

I’m well aware of the lack of turn from the job but my memory was playing tricks with me regarding quotes as I think it is with a lot of fellows.

Cavanjack

Willfarman wrote: »

Factory beef price isn’t theoretical?

I’m well aware of the lack of turn from the job but my memory was playing tricks with me regarding quotes as I think it is with a lot of fellows.

Also prices rose as we moved into November and December last year. We pushed to kill cattle under 30 months in September last year. The lads that didn't make the 30 months weren't killed till November/December (mostly over 30 months) killed 50kg heavier with a higher price. They made the 12cent bonus look like a joke.

restive

Just got quoted 3.85 base underage Angus Bullock's. Kepak athleague.

gerryirl

restive wrote: »

Just got quoted 3.85 base underage Angus Bullock's. Kepak athleague.

went to the mart today at lunch from work. Store cattle have taken a hammering. only right when you see the way factory prices are going. Ive been buying weanlings for a good few years in the back end but if they are not cheaper this year Im gonna call it off. A store would make more sense. Even wintering cattle is getting hard to justify.