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Greengrass1

Found this very hard to believe but supposedly there was 2 ch bullocks in carnew mary at the weekend each weighing 1000kgs amd were 12yrs old. Thats bloody crazy

simx

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Found this very hard to believe but supposedly there was 2 ch bullocks in carnew mary at the weekend each weighing 1000kgs amd were 12yrs old. Thats bloody crazy

If find it hard to believe too but if any truth in it the owner would want to get himself checked out

severeoversteer

got €4 a kg for a u+3+ steer 426kg dead at 26 months

short butty light haired lim bullock

whelan2

simx wrote: »

If find it hard to believe too but if any truth in it the owner would want to get himself checked out

wonder what they cost to keep over the years, i am sure he made a profit:)

huey1975

severeoversteer wrote: »

got €4 a kg for a u+3+ steer 426kg dead at 26 months

short butty light haired lim bullock

With the QA 12c/kg and 24c/kg on the grid for the U+ that is only 364c/kg.
I thought that there was more to be got!!

bogman_bass

Got 3.65 for steers and 330 for a U+ cow from Moyvalley last week.
PB parthenaise. anybody want to guess how much she killed out at?

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

Got 3.65 for steers and 330 for a U+ cow from Moyvalley last week.
PB parthenaise. anybody want to guess how much she killed out at?

440kgs

bogman_bass

not even close!

Kovu

bogman_bass wrote: »

not even close!

PB part....I wonder what weight she was alive...:D

555kgs?

bogman_bass

Kovu wrote: »

PB part....I wonder what weight she was alive...:D

555kgs?

Ambitious there Kovu!

501KG! I was shocked I knew she was big but wow!
Here's a pic of here taken about a month ago

mf240

bogman_bass wrote: »

Got 3.65 for steers and 330 for a U+ cow from Moyvalley last week.
PB parthenaise. anybody want to guess how much she killed out at?

Fair poor place for weight
Got stung there once . Never again.

bogman_bass

what do you mean "fair poor place for weight"? Do you mean they trim too hard?

severeoversteer

huey1975 wrote: »

With the QA 12c/kg and 24c/kg on the grid for the U+ that is only 364c/kg.
I thought that there was more to be got!!

not really more than that to be got that was lastweek

he was part of a big bunch and the only real move on prices is they have stopped cutting for weight and are even putting overage on the grid

Farmer Pudsey

severeoversteer wrote: »

not really more than that to be got that was lastweek

he was part of a big bunch and the only real move on prices is they have stopped cutting for weight and are even putting overage on the grid

I presume you mean that overage cattle are getting same price they were always on the grid.

sandydan

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Found this very hard to believe but supposedly there was 2 ch bullocks in carnew mary at the weekend each weighing 1000kgs amd were 12yrs old. Thats bloody crazy

maybe they had little bit of surgery to change title,it happens sometimes:rolleyes:

just do it

I've a mixed bag of 7 cows for the factory. What's the best way to offload these i.e. when calling agents what do I ask for? I see you guys talking about base price. Is there a similar base price for cows?

When I say mixed bag they range from a 3yo BB 1st calver to 7-8 yo FRxLM. Have been weaned about 2 months and on good grass and nuts for 6 weeks so should be in good nick

severeoversteer

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I presume you mean that overage cattle are getting same price they were always on the grid.

for example a 32 month old bullock graded r+4= and the price was 3.65 euro so he got €3.71 a kilo

he didn't get the 12 cent bonus obviously

Muckit

just do it wrote: »

I've a mixed bag of 7 cows for the factory. What's the best way to offload these i.e. when calling agents what do I ask for? I see you guys talking about base price. Is there a similar base price for cows?

When I say mixed bag they range from a 3yo BB 1st calver to 7-8 yo FRxLM. Have been weaned about 2 months and on good grass and nuts for 6 weeks so should be in good nick

I would advise you to blood them and sell in the mart as dry cows.

Willfarman

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Found this very hard to believe but supposedly there was 2 ch bullocks in carnew mary at the weekend each weighing 1000kgs amd were 12yrs old. Thats bloody crazy

There were 2 great cattle weighing 939kgs that were 2010 birthdays. Great cattle nothing wrong there only the change of the times it gone rare to see the like.... However another man 6 or 7 big ugly over fat on over fat freaks of yokes weighing 900 to 1030 kgs. Births from 2001 to 2006.
I actually remember him buying some of them 7 years ago. He sold 13 year old whiteheads that day. All over a tonne. All misshapen with fat. Football sized lumps over their hips. Cattle never see the shed with him apparently. They just roam freely over a vast expanse of rough land.

mf240

Willfarman wrote: »

There were 2 great cattle weighing 939kgs that were 2010 birthdays. Great cattle nothing wrong there only the change of the times it gone rare to see the like.... However another man 6 or 7 big ugly over fat on over fat freaks of yokes weighing 900 to 1030 kgs. Births from 2001 to 2006.
I actually remember him buying some of them 7 years ago. He sold 13 year old whiteheads that day. All over a tonne. All misshapen with fat. Football sized lumps over their hips. Cattle never see the shed with him apparently. They just roam freely over a vast expanse of rough land.

Whay did they make?

Willfarman

mf240 wrote: »

Whay did they make?

The 2010 cattle made over 1900€. Can't remember exactly. The old cattle brought
1400 to 1550 Region one with the other. Very hard to value them. But all I can say is he got around a hundred a head per year on them from what they cost we thought!

simx

just do it wrote: »

I've a mixed bag of 7 cows for the factory. What's the best way to offload these i.e. when calling agents what do I ask for? I see you guys talking about base price. Is there a similar base price for cows?

When I say mixed bag they range from a 3yo BB 1st calver to 7-8 yo FRxLM. Have been weaned about 2 months and on good grass and nuts for 6 weeks so should be in good nick

Cows generally get sold flat, sound like r and o grade cows tbh just ask what they're giving for cows that week, should reply something like 3.40 rs 3.20 os (maybe ps too) if they're anyway decent cont. cows they shouldn't slip into ps, just ask him will he cover at the o price if they slip into p grade anyway? He should do anyway

Muckit

She's a very bad suckler if she's grading P after weaning and on being mealed for 6 weeks. I doubt any of jdi's are even O. From pics he's posted before l'd say they are good R's.

Good cows will do well in the ring.

Farmer Pudsey

Muckit wrote: »

She's a very bad suckler if she's grading P after weaning and on being mealed for 6 weeks. I doubt any of jdi's are even O. From pics he's posted before l'd say they are good R's.

Good cows will do well in the ring.

Good cows will do well in the factory as well.

on the river

Good cows will always do well. FACT.:)

Muckit

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Good cows will do well in the factory as well.

Quite possibly. But he has no experience of selling to factory and if you don't know your game and aren't a regular you could get stung badly.

just do it

Muckit wrote: »

Quite possibly. But he has no experience of selling to factory and if you don't know your game and aren't a regular you could get stung badly.

Not meaning to have a go but is it no different in the mart? I always come away feeling if I spent more time in the mart I'd be cuter and get ~€50/head more. 2 examples: The lad who brings them for me told me after they were sold there was strong demand for the heavier bulls I was selling 2-3 weeks ago. 2nd example - A friend who had a mart regular always with him often told him to put the cattle back through again as he knew the lad that bid had been giving €30-40 for similar cattle in the previous weeks.

It's just impossible to build up that hands-on knowledge being part time and not being able to attend regularly.

And one final point. The mart means having to blood test them, take time off work and being prepared to take them home if you're not happy. On average there has to be a differential in the price between mart and factory to account for mart fees, haulage, weight loss, feed, sickness, mortality etc etc. I've sold cows in the mart before only to see that they've been slaughtered in the following days (and not been overly impressed with the price I got). Sure you'll hear the great price a certain cow or weanling got last week, but in my experience that has never translated onto anything I've sold in the mart. With the factory you can agree a price on the phone or farm and then say a rosary as to their dead weight. Once they're gone they're gone.

I appreciate you're a fan of the mart Muckit and fair deuce as it seems to work for you. For the reasons above I feel the factory is a better option for these cows.

Durrus Boy

At the risk of going off on a tangent, but can I ask how many people when selling live will tell the auctioneer how much they are expecting the animal to make??

In my experience makes a huge difference as to what price the auctioneer opens at & therefore what price the hammer falls at..... You've got to make them 'earn' their commission!!!

Farmer Pudsey

Durrus Boy wrote: »

At the risk of going off on a tangent, but can I ask how many people when selling live will tell the auctioneer how much they are expecting the animal to make??

In my experience makes a huge difference as to what price the auctioneer opens at & therefore what price the hammer falls at..... You've got to make them 'earn' their commission!!!

Yes you have but you also need to know exact value of the animal. No point in having a cow that will slaughter 320kgs @3.2/kg and expecting 1150 euro for her. I often seen auctioneers saying ''let her out, let her out'' because of this after a few bids.

As well if there are plenty finished cows in the mart dealers will share them out. Remember even finished cows may take more weight and lads will try to buy at less that kill value so that they can make a margin.

It all right the days agents are buying cows as at present but if they have excess numbers factory will be better.

just do it

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It all right the days agents are buying cows as at present but if they have excess numbers factory will be better.

Are these the same agents you'd be ringing to get prices for direct to the factory? Surely ringing around 3 of them and then play them off each other a bit you'll get just as good as what these guys will give in the mart?

cute geoge

A sound agent will always give you the going rate ,while a chancer will promise you the top price and then you will be cut on the grading. You can not be holding out for the last few cent on a few cattle ,check the going price in f.g. and get agent to check the cattle before they depart is my advice

Farmer Pudsey

just do it wrote: »

Are these the same agents you'd be ringing to get prices for direct to the factory? Surely ringing around 3 of them and then play them off each other a bit you'll get just as good as what these guys will give in the mart?

Factory's usually only have a single agents buying at marts. He may go to 4-6 marts a week. There is no point in them having two agents bidding against each other. They could have 20 agents buying cattle for them off farms each with a quota of 2-3 doubles of cattle.

Kevin the sheep

Sold young's cull cow on Saturday. 850kg €1710. Was sayin to uncle when came home he recons wouldn't have got the shade of it in the factory for her .
A few months ago got done on heifers il never bring animAls to factory again mart all the way

FYM

Sold a 780 kg charolais bullock im mart two weeks ago underage got 1690 for him. not a snowballs chance in hell would i have got it in the factory.

Dunedin

FYM wrote: »

Sold a 780 kg charolais bullock im mart two weeks ago underage got 1690 for him. not a snowballs chance in hell would i have got it in the factory.

let's say at 56% killout, 3.65 base with 12c bonus and grading U- or u= or u+ (6, 12 or 18c bonus), then you could have got anywhere between 1680 and 1725 in the factory.

maybe more if he was a good bullock and killed out a % higher.

the thing with the factory is if you're not happy with the price, it's kinda hard to bring him home unlike the mart!!

FYM

Dunedin wrote: »

let's say at 56% killout, 3.65 base with 12c bonus and grading U- or u= or u+ (6, 12 or 18c bonus), then you could have got anywhere between 1680 and 1725 in the factory.

maybe more if he was a good bullock and killed out a % higher.

the thing with the factory is if you're not happy with the price, it's kinda hard to bring him home unlike the mart!!

lets say i dont get any bonus because he is overweight just base price

Dunedin

FYM wrote: »

lets say i dont get any bonus because he is overweight just base price

factories seem to be relaxing on the overweight. That bullock would be circa 436 deadweight so you may not get cut - depending on your agent !! I killed a lot heavier cattle this year and was not cut at all.

don't really want to get too deep into this but really my point is that there is every chance you would have got as much or maybe more in the factory than the mart for that bullock. If you got 3.70 base with a good killout and grading, then you may have got a good bit more.

no definitive way of every knowing for sure obviously.

Farmer Pudsey

Kevin the sheep wrote: »

Sold young's cull cow on Saturday. 850kg €1710. Was sayin to uncle when came home he recons wouldn't have got the shade of it in the factory for her .
A few months ago got done on heifers il never bring animAls to factory again mart all the way

FYM wrote: »

lets say i dont get any bonus because he is overweight just base price

Sometimes for simgle one off cattle you will do better in the mart. For instance factory's a distance away may well pay over the odds to supress prices. At present looking at app from department, prices in factory are not as high as printed in papers. However 3-4 processors are paying 10-15c/kg aboves the rest.

However if you travell 100 miles to achieve this price you lose it in transport and weight loss. On the other hand if you arrive in the mart with 15-20 finished cattle unless market is very strong the risk of having to sell below value or take home is a real posibillity. A animal that comes home from the mart loses a weeks weight at least.

Willfarman

I hear of 3.46 last week for middle of the road r grade cows.

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

I hear of 3.46 last week for middle of the road r grade cows.

This goes back to how much they are making off beef at present. They are paying 3.5 for r grade cows. Going back to those two bullock that were 12 years old that were about 1000kgs. What the odd that some french supermarket gets them as cow beef no difference.

At present I would not be suprised if a lot of over age beef is not being sold as cow beef as they are buying it at so low a price.

just do it

Cows
O's 325-330
R's 345
They're on a one way ticket tomorrow

simx

just do it wrote: »

Cows
O's 325-330
R's 345
They're on a one way ticket tomorrow

Where's that jdi?

just do it

simx wrote: »

Where's that jdi?

Rathkeale I think. I know the agent rather than his factory iykwim

visatorro

3.00 for p grade cull cow straight out of parlour

Cavanjack

I've a load of overage steers that'll be ready for off in a couple of weeks. Reckon they're round 700kg. What would they make in a mart?

simx

Cavanjack wrote: »

I've a load of overage steers that'll be ready for off in a couple of weeks. Reckon they're round 700kg. What would they make in a mart?

Breed?

Willfarman

Cavanjack wrote: »

I've a load of overage steers that'll be ready for off in a couple of weeks. Reckon they're round 700kg. What would they make in a mart?

What breed and quality?

Cavanjack

Sorry limo x frs. Mostly r grade and will be fat.

severeoversteer

Cavanjack wrote: »

I've a load of overage steers that'll be ready for off in a couple of weeks. Reckon they're round 700kg. What would they make in a mart?

might make €1350 if a good breed

seen an 720kg limousine qa bullock make €1400 and he was a fine u grade beast, he would have came to more money in the factory maybe 60 or 80 euro more.

edit;
just saw the word overage mart trade is dire for these, you might be best killing them if they are fat enough

CHOPS01

Lads that have been to a few marts lately would ye give me an idea of what ye think the following might make

2 chx 18 months 400-420kg square but not overly big frame
3 hex 18 months 400kg rangey type but not leggy

Bought em earlier this year but not sure whether to hold or sell