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Cavanjack

simx wrote: »

haha, i can only afford to buy the odd O here and there, got 3.25 flat for o&ps last week but only had 7, 3 os and 4 ps, will have 12 or 14 to go in a couple of weeks will be hoping for 3.30 ... dont know about a lot of cows now, lad up the road from me must kill 250-300 culls/annum. hes getting 3.30 flat for the last month/6 weeks

He must have some craic with mastitis in July with that no.

simx

Cavanjack wrote: »

He must have some craic with mastitis in July with that no.

Yeah Betamox would be a common sight on. Remidies list lol

onyerbikepat

I always reckoned there was good money to be made in fattening cull cows - say he, having never ever done it, apart from my own.

darragh_haven

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I always reckoned there was good money to be made in fattening cull cows - say he, having never ever done it, apart from my own.

Shhh! ffs, now everyone will know. The lads at it are minted, next thing the dairy guys will be at it!:p:p

simx

darragh_haven wrote: »

Shhh! ffs, now everyone will know. The lads at it are minted, next thing the dairy guys will be at it!:p:p

I welcome anyone to buy a bunch of them and see can they give up the day job

orm0nd

dropped a load of heifers to the factory to day for a neighbour,

plenty of cattle in the lairage & a queue for unloading,

all i saw were clean (grass cattle) , thought some of them could have done with further feeding

Farmer Pudsey

orm0nd wrote: »

dropped a load of heifers to the factory to day for a neighbour,

plenty of cattle in the lairage & a queue for unloading,

all i saw were clean (grass cattle) , thought some of them could have done with further feeding

Were the grass cattle young ( sub 2 year old) or cattle that were 3 years or older.

whelan2

darragh_haven wrote: »

Shhh! ffs, now everyone will know. The lads at it are minted, next thing the dairy guys will be at it!:p:p

Might be a runner if the milk price plummets

jaymla627

Going to fatten the culls here and see how it goes, if anything will at least help cash flow going with them in early spring

poor farmer

jaymla627 wrote: »

Going to fatten the culls here and see how it goes, if anything will at least help cash flow going with them in early spring

I fed some of my own dairy culls last spring after selling some to dealers and in the marts.
Sold them to the factory in may june after 10 weeks feeding .
Never again ,complete waste of time.
Lesson learned ,those cow dealers are very nice people.

onyerbikepat

poor farmer wrote: »

I fed some of my own dairy culls last spring after selling some to dealers and in the marts.
Sold them to the factory in may june after 10 weeks feeding .
Never again ,complete waste of time.
Lesson learned ,those cow dealers are very nice people.

In a normal year, it might be a different story though.

simx

poor farmer wrote: »

I fed some of my own dairy culls last spring after selling some to dealers and in the marts.
Sold them to the factory in may june after 10 weeks feeding .
Never again ,complete waste of time.
Lesson learned ,those cow dealers are very nice people.

10 weeks feeding? How much per head/day?

whelan2

simx wrote: »

10 weeks feeding? How much per head/day?

what do you do with them? How long do you feed them for?

Cavanjack

In my experience the only thing that'll fatten dairy cows is time. Never bothered with suckler lassies.

poor farmer

whelan2 wrote: »

what do you do with them? How long do you feed them for?

Dried them off in oct, left them out on good grass.Brought them in febuary.
I fed them a hi maize finisher ration along with good silage.I built them up to 8-10 kg /head/day. The ate about 600 kg ration each.

simx

whelan2 wrote: »

what do you do with them? How long do you feed them for?

Usually let them get as near as possible off grass, some get no meal, then later in summer when best thrive is gone I throw maybe 1.5/2kg meal/hd but wouldn't generally be feeding any meal for that long

simx

poor farmer wrote: »

Dried them off in oct, left them out on good grass.Brought them in febuary.
I fed them a hi maize finisher ration along with good silage.I built them up to 8-10 kg /head/day. The ate about 600 kg ration each.

Were they Holstein types poor farmer?

orm0nd

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Were the grass cattle young ( sub 2 year old) or cattle that were 3 years or older.

seemed to be mostly young stock ,

just my thoughts on finishing cull cows (mostly BR Fr )

time and a cheap 3 or 4 mix, no minerals necessary ..

trying to pump large amount of meal in a short space of time you are only working for the feed merchant

just my opinion, no doubt others will differ

Jb1989

Couple of r grade aa/sm cross heifers 28 month old
Quoted at 4.00 base + 12 c QA
Kepak for going away Monday or Tuesday

primary 2

did he say what price the steers were making this week?

Jb1989

No was a neigbour rang the agent on my behalf and got the quote
If I meet him tomorrow I'll ask
Heard from another man this evening
4 euro base for 23 month Hereford bulls + bonus + QA maybe another 30 cent
Hard to believe bulls at 4.00 + ,, so can't be sure but he seemed definate

Jb1989

Nettleman wrote: »

apparently €4 base for QA heifers over and under age in west this week

Your were right

primary 2

Jb1989 wrote: »

No was a neigbour rang the agent on my behalf and got the quote
If I meet him tomorrow I'll ask
Heard from another man this evening
4 euro base for 23 month Hereford bulls + bonus + QA maybe another 30 cent
Hard to believe bulls at 4.00 + ,, so can't be sure but he seemed definate

things are starting to look up at long last,hopefully things stay improving for the next while

Farmer Pudsey

Jb1989 wrote: »

No was a neigbour rang the agent on my behalf and got the quote
If I meet him tomorrow I'll ask
Heard from another man this evening
4 euro base for 23 month Hereford bulls + bonus + QA maybe another 30 cent
Hard to believe bulls at 4.00 + ,, so can't be sure but he seemed definate

Cannot see HE bulls being thasr price as well no QA for bulls and never heard of bulls getting HE bonus. May be a quote for bullocks. AIBP seems to need a lot of Hereford cattle this time of year for last few years. Roll on for when kill drops as if processors are under pressure now what will it be like when kill is sub 30K.

Jb1989

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Cannot see HE bulls being thasr price as well no QA for bulls and never heard of bulls getting HE bonus. May be a quote for bullocks. AIBP seems to need a lot of Hereford cattle this time of year for last few years. Roll on for when kill drops as if processors are under pressure now what will it be like when kill is sub 30K.

My quote for heifers was accurate
But that bull quote didn't seem right to me either
Must ring him tomorrow and iron out them details out of curiosity

severeoversteer

i am looking for some elephants to fatten

if anybody knows where I can get them please let me know :cool:

Jb1989

severeoversteer wrote: »

i am looking for some elephants to fatten

if anybody knows where I can get them please let me know :cool:

Africa 🙋

locha

For Steers underage QA

I'm being quoted base: ABP & Liffey 3.90
Donegal are giving 4.10 all in for r2,3,4, there is a carcass limit there though.

Anyone hear of 4 going for base?

blue5000

Is there anyone on here honestly making a profit, or at least more money than the miller out of 16mth bull beef? If there is I want to know how.

I'm calving to grass in March, which means if I did start doing it cattle would be in from November through to June, not viable as far as I can see. Autumn calving might work, but meal has to go into the cow, and creep area needed. Mods if you want to put this into a thread on it's own, go ahead.

Cavanjack

blue5000 wrote: »

Is there anyone on here honestly making a profit, or at least more money than the miller out of 16mth bull beef? If there is I want to know how.

Yeah the factories are making a good profit outa them

Nettleman

locha wrote: »

For Steers underage QA

I'm being quoted base: ABP & Liffey 3.90
Donegal are giving 4.10 all in for r2,3,4, there is a carcass limit there though.

Anyone hear of 4 going for base?

Donegal always has to be 10 cent ahead to cover transport costs to poor location

Dunedin

locha wrote: »

For Steers underage QA

, there is a carcass limit there

I thought the weight restrictions were lifted following the protests????

locha

The prices I was quoted was for up to 410kg.

Farmer Pudsey

blue5000 wrote: »

Is there anyone on here honestly making a profit, or at least more money than the miller out of 16mth bull beef? If there is I want to know how.

I'm calving to grass in March, which means if I did start doing it cattle would be in from November through to June, not viable as far as I can see. Autumn calving might work, but meal has to go into the cow, and creep area needed. Mods if you want to put this into a thread on it's own, go ahead.

First off March is too late calving them. They really need to be January and February born to be slaughtered at premium price in May/June. You need to house as late as possible. It should be possible to keep these sort of bulls out to Christmas or beyond. Housing earlier means that they gone stale by April. Some lads are even letting them back on in February for a months before rehousing and finishing in June.

In reality with prices paid for weanlings in the autumn it is unlikly that it pays any producer to hold onto March/April calves. Bulls top be finished need to be over 400kgs in November. If they are lighter it is no point finishing at sub 16 months. You may well be better off with march calves finishing at 18 months after having at grass for 100-150 day in spring early summer and then house and finish in 60-80 days or carry to finish at 22 months at Christmas.

Nettleman wrote: »

Donegal always has to be 10 cent ahead to cover transport costs to poor location

You would want much more than 10c to cover extra travel and the weight loss associated with same. It might be viable if cattle were loaded early morning and carried to donegal for slaughter directy off truck at 8 in the morning. On a 330kg carcase extra transport at 15/head is 4.5c/kg and add in 2% weight loss at 8c/kg then you are at 12.5c/kg.

Cavanjack

If supplies are tight next year maybe they will be more flexible on bull age and if weight restrictions are lifted then it could be worth feeding bulls on to 18-20 months

Farmer Pudsey

Cavanjack wrote: »

If supplies are tight next year maybe they will be more flexible on bull age and if weight restrictions are lifted then it could be worth feeding bulls on to 18-20 months

In the sentance replace the word if with when and delete maybe. However everything is predicated on buying in at right price. Finishers should know there finishing costs and shpuld subtract there margin to find the price they are willing to pay for cattle

Jb1989

David on dunbia just quoted r grade heifers under 30 months quality assured on the grid at 3.95 + 10c AA bonus.
AA bonus for killing in Carlow plant only

Nettleman

Jb1989 wrote: »

David on dunbia just quoted r grade heifers under 30 months quality assured on the grid at 3.95 + 10c AA bonus.
AA bonus for killing in Carlow plant only

I wouldn't give my heifers away below 4 now as that base is freely available now. It won't take much haggling to get across the line, and I would advise haggling. They will never put the price up if lads keep letting them have cattle at 395.

Nettleman

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

The kill is high at present compared to cattle in country. Lads are panicing killing U30 month cattle. Steer kill yo by 6-8K/week so no need to pass anything off. However cow and bull kill below normal levels so both of these prices are steady. As the cattle supply will chage over next few weeks I think(I may be wrong) that processors are trying to keep cow kill up so that U30 month cattle in chills will last longer. Demand for cows for catering trade( hospitals schools etc) is kind of steady all year around, At present all schools are back all over Europe and hospitals etc would be in full swing.

Puds, 2 months have passed now, would still read this supply forecast the same...with kill still at 36k (very surprising) end of nov, they must be killing a lot of 2013 cattle, some people are telling me that theres a lot of light cattle going in to keep numbers high & price low-and the supply situation will be even better next year??

onyerbikepat

Is this 16 Month being dictated by the large UK retailers? Maybe, and I say maybe, this is ok in the UK with large scale feedlots and cheap inputs, but In Ireland, I can't see how it is viable.

Jb1989

Nettleman wrote: »

I wouldn't give my heifers away below 4 now as that base is freely available now. It won't take much haggling to get across the line, and I would advise haggling. They will never put the price up if lads keep letting them have cattle at 395.

Yea mines booked In kepak last weekend at 4.00 a kilo
Rang dunbia in case they had upped there price
Yea 4 should be across the board at this stage

orm0nd

any one know what an aged HE bull would make in the factory ? he's 990 kgs and gone too heavy for my cows

was hoping to get about €1500 for him (any more would be a bonus)

Farmer Pudsey

orm0nd wrote: »

any one know what an aged HE bull would make in the factory ? he's 990 kgs and gone too heavy for my cows

was hoping to get about €1500 for him (any more would be a bonus)

Is that fresh weight off your own scales. If he has a good cover of flesh( which more than likly he has) he wil kill generally about 53%. However if fresh weight you might be a bit back so about 500kgs. Not sure what prices factory's are paying for stock bulls. Hard to see him make 1500. At 2.8/kg if achieveable he make 1400 euro

orm0nd

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Is that fresh weight off your own scales. If he has a good cover of flesh( which more than likly he has) he wil kill generally about 53%. However if fresh weight you might be a bit back so about 500kgs. Not sure what prices factory's are paying for stock bulls. Hard to see him make 1500. At 2.8/kg if achieveable he make 1400 euro

would be as good as fresh weight, weighted him in the jeep and box on a local weighbridge , only a few minutes away.

he's nicely covered but would carry more, he's a 06 bull , think I throw another bit of feeding into him and hold till the new year, herd test immediately after Xmas so might blood him and see then

thanks for your opinion, it's outa my league

Nettleman

orm0nd wrote: »

would be as good as fresh weight, weighted him in the jeep and box on a local weighbridge , only a few minutes away.

he's nicely covered but would carry more, he's a 06 bull , think I throw another bit of feeding into him and hold till the new year, herd test immediately after Xmas so might blood him and see then

thanks for your opinion, it's outa my league

The blood tests mightn't need to be done next year, aren't they doing away with them?

orm0nd

Nettleman wrote: »

The blood tests mightn't need to be done next year, aren't they doing away with them?

AFAIK no herd testing, but still have to test for sales until June or July,

subject to correction on this maybe Greysides could verify

dryan

Quoted 3:90 for overage steers over the phone last night - midlands

severeoversteer

dryan wrote: »

Quoted 3:90 for overage steers over the phone last night - midlands

are they over 36 months?

tell us how you get on when you kill them please:)

I said

Goodman group announces beef deal with Japan
http://www.agriland.ie/news/goodman-group-announces-beef-deal-japan/


Larry will be looking for cheap cattle

dryan

severeoversteer wrote: »

are they over 36 months?

tell us how you get on when you kill them please:)

Over 30 months. That rule hasn't changed yet according to agent.