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wesleysniper38

Duke92 wrote: »

Have dealt with moyvalley a few times in the last few years never had a problem and kill out was always very good

I wouldn't give them a sick hen.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

Any quotes on under 16 month bulls?

Cavanjack

Got a kill sheet back for a load of cattle. There are weights on it for both carcass sides. How can there be such a difference in weights of both sides? 11kg on one carcass. That's nearly €50 of a difference. Maybe there is a simple explanation.

dryan

wesleysniper38 wrote: »

I wouldn't give them a sick hen.

Can you folk share your bad experiences here. I send cattle there a few times a year through an agent. I also use other factories in the area. Chq arrives in the post a few days later with agreed quotes. What do i need to be looking out for here?

TUBBY

dryan wrote: »

Can you folk share your bad experiences here. I send cattle there a few times a year through an agent. I also use other factories in the area. Chq arrives in the post a few days later with agreed quotes. What do i need to be looking out for here?

Grading a little and killout %. Amount of trim varies between factories. If people unhappy, it generally is that the killout was very poor based on liveweight going in.

Willfarman

Weights they tell you are always a mile shy. And the only grade they know how to print is o4.

ellewood

severeoversteer wrote: »

sent one load there before,
wont be sending another !
they say one thing and do another

Sent a load of cows there before out of a bunch, sent rest of bunch to dawn (prob the worst half of the bunch) and got on better in local dawn 2 weeks after I put it down to loss in transport as dawn only 15 mins from me.

Did ring to question alright but might as well not have bothered

Good loser

Willfarman wrote: »

Weights they tell you are always a mile shy. And the only grade they know how to print is o4.

Are they the crowd that charge €5 a head insurance and no opt out?

wesleysniper38

ellewood wrote: »

Sent a load of cows there before out of a bunch, sent rest of bunch to dawn (prob the worst half of the bunch) and got on better in local dawn 2 weeks after I put it down to loss in transport as dawn only 15 mins from me.

Did ring to question alright but might as well not have bothered

When things weren't so bright for the cull cow, I couldn't get all of mine into Clones. Agent got the rest into Moyvalley.
All went off on a Wednesday evening. Clones cows killed next day. Moyvalley cows "overbooked" and not killed until following Monday. They were put to nearby feedlot until then; or so I was told..
Anyway they graded below the others although they were similar stock and when I got the cheque I was billed for 4 days feeding at €1.50 per head per day.

When I raised a stink I was told to blame the Agent.
I had to drive up there myself to get answers but got no satisfaction.

blue5000

Has anyone else noticed agents being very keen for angus cattle this week? I'd nearly swear they looked on my cmms profile before they came out to look at the cattle and memorised the tag numbers:(

Duke92

TUBBY wrote: »

Grading a little and killout %. Amount of trim varies between factories. If people unhappy, it generally is that the killout was very poor based on liveweight going in.

That's a load of crap weighed cattle for there before killed 54% same as abp grading was grand an odd one I might have taught might have done better but that's the same everywhere

I said

Duke92 wrote: »

That's a load of crap weighed cattle for there before killed 54% same as abp grading was grand an odd one I might have taught might have done better but that's the same everywhere

Sent a load once as mentioned earlier shower of fcuks always on the lookout for a low blow.
Price agreed was 4.10 plus QA never had cattle grade as bad.
When I got the sheet I could nt believe it would have got more if I sent a load of cull cows.

TUBBY

Duke92 wrote: »

That's a load of crap weighed cattle for there before killed 54% same as abp grading was grand an odd one I might have taught might have done better but that's the same everywhere

Read my post please. I didn't say Moyvalley in particular. What i said was when people complain about a factory, the issue is killout or grade basically.

how many cattle did you weigh and kill there for that 54% killout average. To dismiss a good few posters who actually mentioned that factory, you must kill a hell of a lot of cattle there with no issues.

AP2014

I said wrote: »

Sent a load once as mentioned earlier shower of fcuks always on the lookout for a low blow.
Price agreed was 4.10 plus QA never had cattle grade as bad.
When I got the sheet I could nt believe it would have got more if I sent a load of cull cows.

Looks like they saw ya coming. Non regular customer so decided to make a bit of money of ya.

mf240

Sold good contenental cull cows in it.

They were giving me a super price for r,s

They graded os and the weight was very disapointing.

Wouldnt deal with them again.


had friesan cows make more money in dawn around the same time.

mf240

AP2014 wrote: »

Looks like they saw ya coming. Non regular customer so decided to make a bit of money of ya.

They saw a lot of lads coming from this area. They only seen them coming once though.

AP2014

mf240 wrote: »

They saw a lot of lads coming from this area. They only seen them coming once though.

Ya must be from a soft area. Least ya won't have to pay for clippings twice. ;o)

tim04750

blue5000 wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed agents being very keen for angus cattle this week? I'd nearly swear they looked on my cmms profile before they came out to look at the cattle and memorised the tag numbers:(

Neverrrrrrr !!!:eek:

mf240

AP2014 wrote: »

. Least ya won't have to pay for clippings twice. ;o)

Howdya mean??

I said

AP2014 wrote: »

Looks like they saw ya coming. Non regular customer so decided to make a bit of money of ya.

Once bitten and how the fcuk would they expect to get any regulars carrying on like that.
Anyways you don't deal with factories.

rangler1

wesleysniper38 wrote: »

When things weren't so bright for the cull cow, I couldn't get all of mine into Clones. Agent got the rest into Moyvalley.
All went off on a Wednesday evening. Clones cows killed next day. Moyvalley cows "overbooked" and not killed until following Monday. They were put to nearby feedlot until then; or so I was told..
Anyway they graded below the others although they were similar stock and when I got the cheque I was billed for 4 days feeding at €1.50 per head per day.

When I raised a stink I was told to blame the Agent.
I had to drive up there myself to get answers but got no satisfaction.

Moyvalley have a feedlot there fairly close.....
Everyone wanted electronic grading and get the humans out of the grading...grading shouldn't be different now in any factory

TUBBY

rangler1 wrote: »

Moyvalley have a feedlot there fairly close.....
Everyone wanted electronic grading and get the humans out of the grading...grading shouldn't be different now in any factory

Nothing wrong with a uniform electronic grader rangler. Calibration and settings on it should be inspected carefully though to ensure there is no mischief in individual factories.

With the factories behaviour over the last year and even the E3 payment thing for QA, it's little wonder that trust is an issue in every respect.

AP2014

I said wrote: »

Once bitten and how the fcuk would they expect to get any regulars carrying on like that.
Anyways you don't deal with factories.

Jesus they have made you angry anyway. I don't deal with them thank feck or else they would screw me over just like you. Unless I was sending them a few hundred a year.

Its slightly amusing to think your load of cattle is probably used to pay for their xmas party or summer bbq night out. Bad bast**ds. Happens in other industries as well I would say if u are a small supplier.

rangler1

TUBBY wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a uniform electronic grader rangler. Calibration and settings on it should be inspected carefully though to ensure there is no mischief in individual factories.

With the factories behaviour over the last year and even the E3 payment thing for QA, it's little wonder that trust is an issue in every respect.

You just wonder were they just in a difficult market, Slaney say they had the worst year ever and Foyle meats didn't do well either.
They don't have it simple either, I don't think I'd stand at the gates of ICM now if lads got upset about the price of lamb.
A farmer said to me at one of the protests '' sure the ones that want to keep us out here (protesting) aren't here at all''....... I just thought how true

Farmer Pudsey

Duke92 wrote: »

That's a load of crap weighed cattle for there before killed 54% same as abp grading was grand an odd one I might have taught might have done better but that's the same everywhere

You have lead a very sheltered life if you have never been screwed by a factory at some stage. We have all been done at some stage. Have never send cattle to Moyvally and have heard no story's about it. Gennerally it is non regular customers that get screwed. It is generally when they get a super price.

Happened to me a few years back, sold a large batch 20 bulls and 12 bullocks. This factory wanted the bulls for the Spanish market at the time. Price was 6p/lb better than local and they were supposed to pick up half the haulage. They did but they deducted it from my cheque.

Bulls all graded R's no U's at the time U's were got easier than now and wewight were back as well. Bullocks graded ok but weight were brutal. had kill some out of same batch earlier because of age and weight was no comparsion. No satisfaction to be got as carcasses were shipped.

A few years later went to buy a tractor up the country and got talking to the farmer selling again a non regular customer and same story and when he wanted to get them regraded same story.

rangler1 wrote: »

Moyvalley have a feedlot there fairly close.....
Everyone wanted electronic grading and get the humans out of the
grading...grading shouldn't be different now in any factory

There is no machine with a chip in it that cannot be reprogrammed. Look at the way cars are tuned. These are not exactly rocket technology. Was a factory in SE caught at it a few years ago had they not to pay a fine and give back money on cattle etc. They were also done for over trimming

TUBBY wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a uniform electronic grader rangler. Calibration and settings on it should be inspected carefully though to ensure there is no mischief in individual factories.

With the factories behaviour over the last year and even the E3 payment thing for QA, it's little wonder that trust is an issue in every respect.

Behaviour is the big thing changing rules and pricing structures. It amazes me how accidently they can do it at the same time. Yet we have never seen the CA look at them. Trim is a huge issue as well. Take earlier that some poster made the point about the 5/head insurance being compulsory wonder do they include all cattle loads of factory's are now stopping insurance on anything that has even a slight limp.

There is no trust and it understandable. Lately I see local factory hammering fat score 5- with an 18c penalty above 4+, Really hits the price of the animal expecially for lads that lose QA as well. Saw a lad with a bunch of heifers hammered lately.

rangler1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You have lead a very sheltered life if you have never been screwed by a factory at some stage. We have all been done at some stage. Have never send cattle to Moyvally and have heard no story's about it. Gennerally it is non regular customers that get screwed. It is generally when they get a super price.

Happened to me a few years back, sold a large batch 20 bulls and 12 bullocks. This factory wanted the bulls for the Spanish market at the time. Price was 6p/lb better than local and they were supposed to pick up half the haulage. They did but they deducted it from my cheque.

Bulls all graded R's no U's at the time U's were got easier than now and wewight were back as well. Bullocks graded ok but weight were brutal. had kill some out of same batch earlier because of age and weight was no comparsion. No satisfaction to be got as carcasses were shipped.

A few years later went to buy a tractor up the country and got talking to the farmer selling again a non regular customer and same story and when he wanted to get them regraded same story.



There is no machine with a chip in it that cannot be reprogrammed. Look at the way cars are tuned. These are not exactly rocket technology. Was a factory in SE caught at it a few years ago had they not to pay a fine and give back money on cattle etc. They were also done for over trimming



Behaviour is the big thing changing rules and pricing structures. It amazes me how accidently they can do it at the same time. Yet we have never seen the CA look at them. Trim is a huge issue as well. Take earlier that some poster made the point about the 5/head insurance being compulsory wonder do they include all cattle loads of factory's are now stopping insurance on anything that has even a slight limp.

There is no trust and it understandable. Lately I see local factory hammering fat score 5- with an 18c penalty above 4+, Really hits the price of the animal expecially for lads that lose QA as well. Saw a lad with a bunch of heifers hammered lately.

How do you accept the amount on your diesel suppliers meter, I'm sure that can be changed too.
In the lamb business, fat score five deserves to be hammered, don't know about beef. A lot of the farmers I hear complaining about KO don't even have their own scales.

cute geoge

What is the expected % kill out in cows and heifers o= 3= ,as it happens I sent youngish fr cows which killed out at only low to mid 40,s to the afore mentioned plant but I put it down to they might be incalf

Base price

[QUOTE=rangler1;94200457]How do you accept the amount on your diesel suppliers meter, I'm sure that can be changed too.
In the lamb business, fat score five deserves to be hammered, don't know about beef. A lot of the farmers I hear complaining about KO don't even have their own scales.[/QUOTE]
Revenue Commissioners Weights and Measures used to oversee that meters were correct. I think NSAI are the statutory body responsible now.
Are mechanical graders covered by weights and measures regulations?

rangler1

Base price wrote: »

Revenue Commissioners Weights and Measures used to oversee that meters were correct. I think NSAI are the statutory body responsible now.
Are mechanical graders covered by weights and measures regulations?

There's thousands of cattle going across factory scales and graders....if there was a problem, no one would be selling to the factory, I never have any problem with the lambs weights and grades.
A lot of unnecessary paranoia out there about it

blue5000

Duke92 wrote: »

That's a load of crap weighed cattle for there before killed 54% same as abp grading was grand an odd one I might have taught might have done better but that's the same everywhere

Where do you normally sell?

orm0nd

rangler1 wrote: »

There's thousands of cattle going across factory scales and graders....if there was a problem, no one would be selling to the factory, I never have any problem with the lambs weights and grades.
A lot of unnecessary paranoia out there about it[/QUOTE]


yep but you're a regular supplier, and a member of the largest PG in the 26 counties, you also have your own man on the slaughter line,

try sending a trailer load of lambs to one of the other factories and come back and tell us how you get on,

been there, done that and have the scars to show

Farmer Pudsey

rangler1 wrote: »

There's thousands of cattle going across factory scales and graders....if there was a problem, no one would be selling to the factory, I never have any problem with the lambs weights and grades.
A lot of unnecessary paranoia out there about it

I tell a little story of paranoia. It actually relates to a lamb factory. This happened when Lamb first climbed away from the 70-80 euro/lamb about 5-6 years ago I think. Friend of mine Paddy had ewes killed and out of ten 3 were rejected and skipped. Now this lad was from Kerry, nearest sheep factory's are all over 100 miles away.

He and another farmers had noticed that the kill had been way ahead and that lamb would be scarse and had decided to finish there lambs that year. As he said they were the best ewes he ever killed as two weeks later they had 150 lambs going to factory I think. They got a flaking price at the time.

However Paddy was edgy and insisted to the other farmer that they would follow the lambs up the country. Other lad was easy about it but paddy insisted that there was too much money at stake. They arrived at the factory and helped unload the lambs and followed them down the line. After about 5-6 lambs one was rejected by the line manager/vet (whoever I do not know) Paddy could see clearly that he had a damaged shoulder. But at about no 15 second was rejected with nothing wrong in Paddy eyes. He informed the line manager that any lamb rejected was to be bagged and they would carry them home themselves. factory man enquired what he would do with them and paddy said he had a large family. Now in his younger days Paddy worked as a butcher and had a fair knowledge of carcasses.

No other lamb was rejected after that some more had the odd mark. Paddy said they wanted them lambs but if they could get away without paying for them they would. Paddy was paranoid I do not know if he was right. IHO of he was not there he taught that they would not have been paid for at least 20 of the lambs. On the way home his friend who had driven his car up told him to take the two lambs in the back even though they were both his as he said he have lost them anyway. He had the bigger share on the lorry about 70% of the load if I remember right.

Paddy was paranoid. I tend to be as well.

Duke92

blue5000 wrote: »

Where do you normally sell?

Mostly abp sometimes kepak and moyvalley

rangler1

orm0nd wrote: »

rangler1 wrote: »

There's thousands of cattle going across factory scales and graders....if there was a problem, no one would be selling to the factory, I never have any problem with the lambs weights and grades.
A lot of unnecessary paranoia out there about it[/QUOTE]


yep but you're a regular supplier, and a member of the largest PG in the 26 counties, you also have your own man on the slaughter line,

try sending a trailer load of lambs to one of the other factories and come back and tell us how you get on,

been there, done that and have the scars to show

I've sold plenty of cattle to Moyvalley and Athleague up to 2005..never a problem.
Also I do know that I'd take a hit of 25-35c/kg on fat score 5 lambs plus a weight limit as well. The factories have to penalise hard for stock that they find hard to sell, it's not fair on the people that do it right if they don't

Duke92

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

You have lead a very sheltered life if you have never been screwed by a factory at some stage. We have all been done at some stage. Have never send cattle to Moyvally and have heard no story's about it. Gennerally it is non regular customers that get screwed. It is generally when they get a super price.

Happened to me a few years back, sold a large batch 20 bulls and 12 bullocks. This factory wanted the bulls for the Spanish market at the time. Price was 6p/lb better than local and they were supposed to pick up half the haulage. They did but they deducted it from my cheque.

Bulls all graded R's no U's at the time U's were got easier than now and wewight were back as well. Bullocks graded ok but weight were brutal. had kill some out of same batch earlier because of age and weight was no comparsion. No satisfaction to be got as carcasses were shipped.

A few years later went to buy a tractor up the country and got talking to the farmer selling again a non regular customer and same story and when he wanted to get them regraded same story.



There is no machine with a chip in it that cannot be reprogrammed. Look at the way cars are tuned. These are not exactly rocket technology. Was a factory in SE caught at it a few years ago had they not to pay a fine and give back money on cattle etc. They were also done for over trimming



Behaviour is the big thing changing rules and pricing structures. It amazes me how accidently they can do it at the same time. Yet we have never seen the CA look at them. Trim is a huge issue as well. Take earlier that some poster made the point about the 5/head insurance being compulsory wonder do they include all cattle loads of factory's are now stopping insurance on anything that has even a slight limp.

There is no trust and it understandable. Lately I see local factory hammering fat score 5- with an 18c penalty above 4+, Really hits the price of the animal expecially for lads that lose QA as well. Saw a lad with a bunch of heifers hammered lately.

Never said I hadn't been screwed just that I never had a problem there
I couldn't say a lot about roscrea or wouldn't send a good steer to dawn only go there if I had friesians at a flat price or cows.

Duke92

TUBBY wrote: »

Read my post please. I didn't say Moyvalley in particular. What i said was when people complain about a factory, the issue is killout or grade basically.

how many cattle did you weigh and kill there for that 54% killout average. To dismiss a good few posters who actually mentioned that factory, you must kill a hell of a lot of cattle there with no issues.

Yep sorry

locha

Any update on prices this week? Am getting quoted 4.20 for steers on the grid, reckon there is more to be got.

blue5000

locha wrote: »

Any update on prices this week? Am getting quoted 4.20 for steers on the grid, reckon there is more to be got.

I think there is 10c/kg lift this week. Anybody get quotes for heifers?

locha

not in the heifer business but was talking to a fella at the weekend who was getting 4.35 flat

Robson99

blue5000 wrote: »

I think there is 10c/kg lift this week. Anybody get quotes for heifers?

Heifers same as last week [ 4.30 ] with a 10 cent cut on carcasses above 400kgs. Amazing how they can move the goalposts any way any time

farawaygrass

Anyone send off cull cows lately? Price on the info is 350-365 for o's and 370 to 385 for r's, which is a big difference.

Nettleman

Duke92 wrote: »

Yep sorry

If lads knew that the scales / grading machines were being independently verified with on the spot (no notice) inspections by a body independent likes "Weights and measure"/ like petrol pumps are, lads might have more confidence in the system. verification by DAFM is not independent enough, imo anyways, as they have vets in these places every day.

Nettleman

Robson99 wrote: »

Heifers same as last week [ 4.30 ] with a 10 cent cut on carcasses above 400kgs. Amazing how they can move the goalposts any way any time

I cant understand this ****e- was there not agreement that weight restrictions/ penalties were gone until end of 2015, or am I wrong??

smokey-fitz

Nettleman wrote: »

I cant understand this ****e- was there not agreement that weight restrictions/ penalties were gone until end of 2015, or am I wrong??

Taught so myself. But sure who is going to stop them. Its not like the agreement included penalties for factories if they broke it.

eddiek

how do ye think the trade for steers will go for the next few weeks bearing in mind its been on an upward trend for the past couple of months/

Willfarman

eddiek wrote: »

how do ye think the trade for steers will go for the next few weeks bearing in mind its been on an upward trend for the past couple of months/

Talk of kill going to fall back a bit coming to march so a bit of a rise to come yet. 4.30 a kg for steers and 4.40 heifers will probably catch the height of it until mid April. It's then the the job will peak.

MfMan

Any heads-up for next week?

Hershall

MfMan wrote: »

Any heads-up for next week?

4.10 for bks and 4.20 for heifers is what I'm being told! !!

locha

A pull on at the moment. For steers got two quotes 4.15 and 4.10 base.

Willfarman

locha wrote: »

A pull on at the moment. For steers got two quotes 4.15 and 4.10 base.

A pull is being attempted. 4.15 is everywhere. They are trying to back up a few cattle for Monday next week for some reason. Bxtards.