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Farmer Pudsey

jfh wrote: »

appreciate the advise bob, they're young, one is finished alright , the other is 575kg and could do with another few weeks but they are gone off their nuts.
so you'd be of the oopinion to hold on until mid jan if i could?

problum8 wrote: »

My lads seem to be gone off their nuts too... Trough not touched last night.. What would you suggest as a change of diet?

How long are they on the finishing diet for usually they go stale after about 130ish days so much for all the baloney about 200 days for bulls.

Bulls could be a tough trade for a while a lot housed in July/August now either going stale or finished and will have to be sold. Like I said earlier I cannot see a price rise after christmass all ration bills are starting to become an issue and mills will insist on being paid because of the amount being carried. Maybe I am wrong but in my opinion to make it worth your while holding you would need a rise of 15-20 cent after christmass for it to pay to hold cattle.

jfh

Thanks farmer Pudsey, ur up early this morning, yeah the bulls are off tmmrw to slaney.
Re the diet, ive found switching them to hay & off baled silage works in the short term to get them eating nuts again.

mf240

jfh wrote: »

Thanks farmer Pudsey, ur up early this morning, yeah the bulls are off tmmrw to slaney.
Re the diet, ive found switching them to hay & off baled silage works in the short term to get them eating nuts again.

Bob or pudsey might know better but sounds like mild acidosis to me

Was the silage soft juicy stuff , or strong stemmy stuff?

jfh

mf240 wrote: »

Bob or pudsey might know better but sounds like mild acidosis to me

Was the silage soft juicy stuff , or strong stemmy stuff?

hi mf240,it would have been what looks like good quality baled silage. the odd bale might have been soft & juicy but most are dry, wouldn't be strong stemmy stuff. but i think you are right.

caseman

Sent 6 20 month heifers last monday got cheque today.
prices from E4.21 to E4.39 R=3- U=3=.

epfff

Was tring to get fr bulls killed this week failed
agents fron 2 places tring to settle on price for 2nd of jan
what should i be settling on

poor farmer

I was trying to get fr bulls away also. I was told the were booked up for this week . I am holding out for €4.00 for Os

freedominacup

dasheriff wrote: »

Your talking around 3.20kg for O3s..Im with bob id let them off now iv a load going monday myself..

Got 3.30 for O's today.

poor farmer

freedominacup wrote: »

Got 3.30 for O's today.

cows I presume

freedominacup

poor farmer wrote: »

cows I presume

Yep if it was the 4.10 you're on about it'd make a grand christmas

epfff

poor farmer wrote: »

I was trying to get fr bulls away also. I was told the were booked up for this week . I am holding out for €4.00 for Os

normally deal with Kepak near by find them ok
but the buyer origonally was talking 380 for Os this week and i didnt give him answer as i wasnt happy
had to put feelers out
dont think the 4 is there but might get 395 Os + 385 Ps from other guy

poor farmer

epfff wrote: »

normally deal with Kepak near by find them ok
but the buyer origonally was talking 380 for Os this week and i didnt give him answer as i wasnt happy
had to put feelers out
dont think the 4 is there but might get 395 Os + 385 Ps from other guy

I got €3.90 two weeks ago in kepak for Os

epfff

poor farmer wrote: »

I got €3.90 two weeks ago in kepak for Os

He seen i was tight for space in sheds(cows calfing soon)
im under time pressure due to day job
and he reconed i hadnt cash flow to hang tuff
dont worry he will pay for it again he nolonger has to match others to get cattle he is now the 1 that has to beat the rest to get lookin

dasheriff

freedominacup wrote: »

Got 3.30 for O's today.

Ya that seems to be the going this week i got roughly the same..happy enough with it..

saranac1

Bullocks up to 4.15 now

epfff

saranac1 wrote: »

Bullocks up to 4.15 now

Whats the word on dairy bulls

Dunedin

saranac1 wrote: »

Bullocks up to 4.15 now

is that the base price for underage cattle?

bob charles

saranac1 wrote: »

Bullocks up to 4.15 now

for any of the poor feckers that worked sorting and hauling cattle most of Stephens day surely deserved the extra 10c. one of the lads told me he covered over 500kms with cattle lorry yesterday:(.

So is a 10c rise (from the 1st of dec to 1st of Jan) enough to cover the month of December? doubt it.

Cavanjack

saranac1 wrote: »

Bullocks up to 4.15 now

Is this a quote from a factory or from the journal? There is usually a difference between the two.

saranac1

Sorry just on the front of the journal but I reckon with the whole Libya deal, prices will go up from jan 1 st.

saranac1

1st sim bullock 640 kg 29 mth old got 390c/kg

2nd sim bullock 650 kg 22 mth old got 416c/kg

Am in Bord Bia also
Euro meats du leek

Good loser

saranac1 wrote: »

Sorry just on the front of the journal but I reckon with the whole Libya deal, prices will go up from jan 1 st.

What's the Libya deal please?

Farmer Pudsey

bob charles wrote: »

for any of the poor feckers that worked sorting and hauling cattle most of Stephens day surely deserved the extra 10c. one of the lads told me he covered over 500kms with cattle lorry yesterday:(.

So is a 10c rise (from the 1st of dec to 1st of Jan) enough to cover the month of December? doubt it.

I was doing the calulculation myself and on feed costs alone you need at least 2.5 cent/week to break even for fresian bulls. God knows how much for plain bullocks. I moved most of them the week before Christmas for 3.95/kg wondering was I wrong. Have another bunch that I targeted for May however now I am thinking of feeding on to finish mid March.

poor farmer

3.95 for Os 4.05 for Rs
All dairy bred bulls Today

Cavanjack

Got quoted 4.10 on the grid for overage steers today. Is there more to be got?

simx

Good loser wrote: »

What's the Libya deal please?

libya are meant to start back up exporting, is it dairy bulls theyll be taking does anyone know? that was the impression i got anyway

Insp. Harry Callahan

Quoted 4.06 for o grade flat for Freisian bulls and 4.18 for r grade bulls for ballyhaunis next week.
Anyone know can more be got?, what do these prices sound like?

Cavanjack

Insp. Harry Callahan wrote: »

Quoted 4.06 for o grade flat for Freisian bulls and 4.18 for r grade bulls for ballyhaunis next week.
Anyone know can more be got?, what do these prices sound like?

Got 4.15 for over age R grade bullocks last week so sounds about right. Factories are mad for cattle at the minute. One agent jumped 10 cent in 5 minutes when I was getting quotes. So you might get more if you price around.

freedominacup

Cavanjack wrote: »

Got 4.15 for over age R grade bullocks last week so sounds about right. Factories are mad for cattle at the minute. One agent jumped 10 cent in 5 minutes when I was getting quotes. So you might get more if you price around.

Long may it continue:D

mf240

freedominacup wrote: »

Long may it continue:D

Dig in hard lads they had it all their own way for long enough.

bob charles

wouldnt be surprised to see a slight row back over next few weeks, maybe Im just over cautious, but we all know where demand is at the moment, is the difference with supply enough to hold the price? maybe

mf240

bob charles wrote: »

wouldnt be surprised to see a slight row back over next few weeks, maybe Im just over cautious, but we all know where demand is at the moment, is the difference with supply enough to hold the price? maybe

The price is miles behind england

Dont think theres as many cattle as usual being fed.

But they are gifted at keeping a lid on the price unfortunately.:mad:

saranac1

Any prices/ quotes for finished bulls under 23 mth old

Farmer Pudsey

bob charles wrote: »

wouldnt be surprised to see a slight row back over next few weeks, maybe Im just over cautious, but we all know where demand is at the moment, is the difference with supply enough to hold the price? maybe

There may not be a row back but prices may stop going up. It is costing more to feed cattle than they are putting on in flesh. Very few cattle put 1kg/flesh on per day, maybe some of the good quality continental bulls. Most bullocks, dairy cross bulls would struggle to put on more than .6kgs flesh and some less than that. Costs are running at 3.5-4 euro's/day. When cattle are fit kill them do not be waiting for a price 2-3 weeks down the road. My own estimate is that you need a price rise of at least 3cent/week to break even on plain cattle.That equates to 15 cent every five weeks just to break even.

Also you could see what happened in England a few years ago where finishers started killing cattle early because of feed costs. The dairy farmers will start to empty sheds in the next few weeks this will stabilise prices more thyan likly. I agree that we are way behind the English price by Larry Goodman is not charitable if he can manage to hold prices he will.

Big issue will be how many cattle Libya takes 500/week is no good we need 2K+/week before it even begins to effect Larry&Co and idealy for thenm to take cattle at heavier weights.

blue5000

Anybody get cow quotes this week?

Butcher Boy

I saw a handy sm cow 2004 720kg make 1390 in macroom on saturday, not over fleshed .
.Me thinks she would be a long way back of this n factory. cows were very good trade.

Farmer Pudsey

Butcher Boy wrote: »

I saw a handy sm cow 2004 720kg make 1390 in macroom on saturday, not over fleshed .
.Me thinks she would be a long way back of this n factory. cows were very good trade.

According to todays Indo O cows are making around 3.5/kg. 720X.52=375X3.5=1310 euro's. When factories are short of cattle they have been lnown to buy in the marts and pay a bit above factory prices. The above would be before deductions.

Butcher Boy

All they were giving for o grade cows n aibp bandon today was 330 and 350 for r grade.we wont get the big money for them down the south.

tanko

What is the average % kill-out figure for a R3+ or a R4- limousin cross cow with a liveweight of 650 kgs? Is it around 55 - 60%?

LivInt20

tanko wrote: »

What is the average % kill-out figure for a R3+ or a R4- limousin cross cow with a liveweight of 650 kgs? Is it around 55 - 60%?

More like 50-52%

morebabies

Hi lads, I need a guesstimate here please, am working with a tight budget and any opinions will be appreciated.

What do you think will be the average price of 3 week old Hereford heifers or LMX heifers by mid-March please? I need to buy around 35 of them.

Thanks

simx

morebabies wrote: »

Hi lads, I need a guesstimate here please, am working with a tight budget and any opinions will be appreciated.

What do you think will be the average price of 3 week old Hereford heifers or LMX heifers by mid-March please? I need to buy around 35 of them.

Thanks

could be madness,very hard to guess that question,think theyre about 350-400e at moment

nomaco

sold a bunch of heavy charolais and limousin cows to ashbourne meats 3.90 a kg for U grade cows and 3.80 a kg for R grade cows!

Farmer Pudsey

nomaco wrote: »

sold a bunch of heavy charolais and limousin cows to ashbourne meats 3.90 a kg for U grade cows and 3.80 a kg for R grade cows!

Whats a bunch 10, 20 or 30. Very good price no matter what.

bob charles

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Big issue will be how many cattle Libya takes 500/week is no good we need 2K+/week before it even begins to effect Larry&Co and idealy for thenm to take cattle at heavier weights.

I originally asked how sound would the Libyan gentlemen be, in this venture, now I would be more concerned much closer to home;)!

big kill down in the south this week at okay ish prices (actually barely cost covering prices, which is okay in beef finishing terms:rolleyes:). How much is the farmers journal paying for cattle this week?

nomaco

there were 8 of them.. 2 pedigree charolais and 2 pedigree limousin which prob helped the price

Cavanjack

bob charles wrote: »

I originally asked how sound would the Libyan gentlemen be, in this venture, now I would be more concerned much closer to home;)!

big kill down in the south this week at okay ish prices (actually barely cost covering prices, which is okay in beef finishing terms:rolleyes:). How much is the farmers journal paying for cattle this week?

They are paying 4.20 for steers 4.40 for heifers. They mightn't be too far off the mark this week.

Dunedin

morebabies wrote: »

Hi lads, I need a guesstimate here please, am working with a tight budget and any opinions will be appreciated.

What do you think will be the average price of 3 week old Hereford heifers or LMX heifers by mid-March please? I need to buy around 35 of them.

Thanks

350e at least I would guess.

ordinary farmer

lads does any body know what they are giving for over age bulls i have one about 650kg and have about 2-3 weeks feeding left hope to get him up to 700kg

freedominacup

ordinary farmer wrote: »

lads does any body know what they are giving for over age bulls i have one about 650kg and have about 2-3 weeks feeding left hope to get him up to 700kg

Got 1350 for a lad needed about 4-6 weeks feeding in late Nov. He went to factory Christmas week.