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simx

4.03 flat for over and underage o&p bullocks

Farmer Pudsey

simx wrote: »

4.03 flat for over and underage o&p bullocks

That is equivlent to a base of 4.25/kg.

simx

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

That is equivlent to a base of 4.25/kg.

4.13 two weeks ago ..... They weren't fit then so not point talking about it, may go to make room for heifers now

FarmerDougal

4.10 bullocks

Cassidy2

simx wrote: »

4.03 flat for over and underage o&p bullocks

That was a good price.had you many o grades

Muckit

What does flat mean?

tanko

Muckit wrote: »

What does flat mean?

I think it means that all the animals in the batch get the same price no matter how they grade.
If they were getting paid on the grid they would get a base price and the price paid for each animal would vary depending on how they graded and killed out.
Only QA animals under 30 months can go on the grid (I think).

Farmer Pudsey

Muckit wrote: »

What does flat mean?

tanko wrote: »

I think it means that all the animals in the batch get the same price no matter how they grade.
If they were getting paid on the grid they would get a base price and the price paid for each animal would vary depending on how they graded and killed out.
Only QA animals under 30 months can go on the grid (I think).

All animals can go on the grid but then there are penelty's or bonus's applied. ON grid itself bonus's are paid from FS 2+ to 4+ and from O= to U+ on cattle under 30 months. At present Processors have given an undertaking not to impose penelty off the base on cattle between 30-36 months and not to impose weight limits on bonus's. After that the processors can vary which ever way they like.

In general they will often impose a age variation penelty on cattle over 36 months previously it was on cattle over 30 months. During the glut they hit cattle over 400Kg DW. I have also seen them hit P= cattle with a 50c/kg penelty over and above normal grid. TBH id they decided they wanted to penalise red cattle if they was a glut there is nothing stopping them. At one stage last year they tried to put a penelty on Friesians of 10c/kg so that a two bullocks grading exactly the same and the same age would attract different prices.

As Muckit earlier I cannot see the 30 month limit going it is a stick to beat us down the line. Everything is hunky dory now, Eddie got a write up in the rag about tackling Larry about recent price fall at Tullamore show. The artice is ludicrous.

When thing get tough in 2017 again we will see the top brass going down to county meeting. The local Chairman announcing that Tom, Mick or Pat is coming. He will not be there at the start of the meeting. No after it is on about 10 minutes he will arrive in with his Labtop bag and his suit on. He will appoligise for being late aws at a meeting in Dublin and had laid into Larry and the boys.

He will then proceed to take off his suit Jacket and roll up his sleeves so the lads understand/think he is one of them. Hec will give the sppech ''there will be days for Elephants again'', ''the suckler man will have his day again'', ''they have taken on the minister and his officals'' ''there will be a few trolly campaigns'' blah,blah,blah, ''no point going to the competition authority'' after a point question from the County Chairman.

After that the county chairman will have arranged for some tea and sandwidges so that the troops can take to Tom, mick or Pat. He will wolf doqwn a few sandwidges, as he tells how the meeting in Dublin went on until after 5pm and he left straight away after, ''Traffic was sh!te'' blah blah blah.

Everbody will think what agreat man he is especially as he faces a 100 mile journey home, he had to detour 120 mile to get to this meeting, as he walks out the door he is thinking of the next milage check.

blue5000

Post of the day Pudsey^ sounds like you were at a few of these meetings yourself, I still think they should re-name that organisation to IDFA (I do fcuk all).

simx

Cassidy2 wrote: »

That was a good price.had you many o grades

agent told me yesterday whst was to be got this week is all, ringing him tomorrow for next weeks price

Muckit

Thanks. Puds comment is confusing me. How is 4.03 flat the equivalent of 4.25 on the grid? Would p's be cut is that it?

Farmer Pudsey

Muckit wrote: »

Thanks. Puds comment is confusing me. How is 4.03 flat the equivalent of 4.25 on the grid? Would p's be cut is that it?

You lose 12c/kg from R to O+, 6c/kg each division the at O+, O- and P. So you lose 24/kg off the base for O- and 30c/kg for P. If you have a few O= and they are under 30 months with bonus they are back to within 6c/kg of the base.

So yes 4.03 flat for Friesians is 20-27c/kg from the base in general. Flaking price IMO. However from what I hear we will see as good and better in the short to medium term

cute geoge

How big a load would you need to get flat price and could you get the flat price for a full load of fr with 50% p's ,i presume they would have to grade at least fat score 3

simx

cute geoge wrote: »

How big a load would you need to get flat price and could you get the flat price for a full load of fr with 50% p's ,i presume they would have to grade at least fat score 3

I only have 6 to go next week, about 15 or so following week and few more in September, even if load was 70% ps flat price is got

Dunedin

Anyone get prices for steers or heifers for next week

Willfarman

simx wrote: »

4.03 flat for over and underage o&p bullocks

What factory?

Cassidy2

Dunedin wrote: »

Anyone get prices for steers or heifers for next week

I am afraid stock is back again next week.

Farmer Pudsey

Cassidy2 wrote: »

I am afraid stock is back again next week.

I wonder when prices are starting to rise will you be first with the news as well. I heard that factory's found it hard to get cattle towards the end of week. They seem to want the kill at 29-30k/week. It will be interesting to see what will happen as cattle start to slow. Hard to see how they will keep this number going if CMS numbers are right

White Clover

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I wonder when prices are starting to rise will you be first with the news as well. I heard that factory's found it hard to get cattle towards the end of week. They seem to want the kill at 29-30k/week. It will be interesting to see what will happen as cattle start to slow. Hard to see how they will keep this number going if CMS numbers are right

Factories trying to drop the price while agents have placed big box ads looking for stock in the examiner this Saturday and last.
someone's bluffing......

Farmer Pudsey

White Clover wrote: »

Factories trying to drop the price while agents have placed big box ads looking for stock in the examiner this Saturday and last.
someone's bluffing......

If you look at the numbers it may be a lot worse for processors than they think. We have killed 40K more steers, the same Number of heifers as last year. The young bull kill is downs 40K that accounts for extra steers. However Cow kill is back 25K and still 1K/week below last year. Lat autumn a lot of young 20-22 month cattle were slaughtered. To keep the kill within 10OK of last year they need to up the cow kill and still kill as many young cattle as last year.

I think numbers are going to fall off a cliff at some stage this Autunm. Kill may drop to 25K/week then ''there will be blood'' and weeping and nashing of teeth

simx

Willfarman wrote: »

What factory?

Pm sent

I said

Cassidy2 wrote: »

I am afraid stock is back again next week.

Are you a census compiler?

Cassidy2

I said wrote: »

Are you a census compiler?

Listen 👂 boys and girls you don't have to believe me.ps it affects me also
But if your cattle are fit always SELL

Willfarman

I think Monday mornings quote may well be 4.00. Though Monday's kill is at 4.10 as far as I know. Bringing a bit of reality to the mart trade alls same. No harm.

Hershall

Dunedin wrote: »

Anyone get prices for steers or heifers for next week

Local factory on 4.05 for bks next week but going killing 4 days instead of 3.
They obviously want them.

simx

P cows 3.60
O cows 3.65
Bullocks 4.05 on grid
Waiting on flat price, won't know that till next week

Cassidy2

simx wrote: »

P cows 3.60
O cows 3.65
Bullocks 4.05 on grid
Waiting on flat price, won't know that till next week

That's a good price for p grading cows
What price is overage bullocks ?

Cassidy2

Cassidy2 wrote: »

That's a good price for p grading cows
What price is overage bullocks ?

I meant overage p grading bullocks

Willfarman

Cassidy2 wrote: »

I meant overage p grading bullocks

Somewhere around the 3.80 mark. The difference between in price between the poor grading prime beef carcass and the cow beef carcass is humble.

blue5000

Willfarman wrote: »

I think Monday mornings quote may well be 4.00. Though Monday's kill is at 4.10 as far as I know. Bringing a bit of reality to the mart trade alls same. No harm.

I think that's the only reason for the price drop;)

darragh_haven

blue5000 wrote: »

I think that's the only reason for the price drop;)

Feed lots to fill

tanko

blue5000 wrote: »

I think that's the only reason for the price drop;)

Don't worry, I'm sure the competition authority will be in straight away to investigate why all the different processors have dropped their prices by the same amount at the same time.

Farmer Pudsey

tanko wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure the competition authority will be in straight away to investigate why all the different processors have dropped their prices by the same amount at the same time.

Yea you all know who are complaining to the CA already about it :rolleyes:

50HX

bit out of touch with prices at the moment

what would ye think that a CHx cow easily 750kg with 2month old twin heifer calves at foot make at the mart

i'm thinking ~2k for the 3 of them
cow would make ~1200 and say 400 a piece for the 2 calves

am i way out on the prices???

should i factory the cow myself and let the calves off to the mart

bogman_bass

Probably worth a touch more. What age is the cow?

50HX

bogman_bass wrote: »

Probably worth a touch more. What age is the cow?

cow is 13 - bless her - brings a serious calf every year but time for the road;)

I said

Got quoted 5c over base today cattle are scarce

Cassidy2

I said wrote: »

Got quoted 5c over base today cattle are scarce

What was the base?

Farmer Pudsey

50HX wrote: »

bit out of touch with prices at the moment

what would ye think that a CHx cow easily 750kg with 2month old twin heifer calves at foot make at the mart

i'm thinking ~2k for the 3 of them
cow would make ~1200 and say 400 a piece for the 2 calves

am i way out on the prices???

should i factory the cow myself and let the calves off to the mart

Do not know what the calves are worth. it may be wort while splitting them. Saw cows that weight making 1350+ last week. These could have been killed or were capable of further feeding as well. Cows may only have been 10 or 11 years old

simx

50HX wrote: »

bit out of touch with prices at the moment

what would ye think that a CHx cow easily 750kg with 2month old twin heifer calves at foot make at the mart

i'm thinking ~2k for the 3 of them
cow would make ~1200 and say 400 a piece for the 2 calves

am i way out on the prices???

should i factory the cow myself and let the calves off to the mart

as a unit 2200/2300

50HX

thanks for the replies

split them and ended up bringing the calves home - wrong day to sell them

cow @800kg made 1360 - happy with that

simx

50HX wrote: »

thanks for the replies

split them and ended up bringing the calves home - wrong day to sell them

cow @800kg made 1360 - happy with that

What were you getting for calves?

50HX

twin heifers- 550 for the 2

to be fair one of them is v average but the other is in good shape for 3mnths- i'll stick both of em on nuts now and let em off on aftergrass with the other weanlings in a week or so

Kovu

50HX wrote: »

thanks for the replies

split them and ended up bringing the calves home - wrong day to sell them

cow @800kg made 1360 - happy with that

Jaysus. I'm very glad I factoried my one!

simx

Kovu wrote: »

Jaysus. I'm very glad I factoried my one!

Orange ch cow in Kk well fleshed still only an R grade 820kg €1720

Kovu

simx wrote: »

Orange ch cow in Kk well fleshed still only an R grade 820kg €1720

Will ya whist with your sensible comments!

50HX

Kovu wrote: »

Jaysus. I'm very glad I factoried my one!

well done.....what weight and price did you get??

Kovu

50HX wrote: »

well done.....what weight and price did you get??

She KO'd at 400. Seriously underestimated her weight. Price was 3.9. But she was sucking a calf to two weeks before.

Farmer Pudsey

Them good contenintal cow lots of lads fail to realize there ability to put on Flesh and weight. THey will kill a bit over 50% alot of the time compared to Fresians that will only kill 45%. Processors compete for them giving prices that are comparable to younger stock prices especially if you have a few. Alot will grade U as well if well finished.

One lads tells me he slaughters cows at 10 years of age regardless. His thinking on it is that if a cow is to go wrong it will be the first two times she calves and after 10 years of age. He culls anything that gioves an issue in the first two calvings. This gives him a culling rate of about 20% . The way he looks at it all these cows come into about 25% more than a finished heifer.

simx

€4 flat o&p bullocks