beef price tracker

rangler1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

So what's your lot going to do about it?

Not my problem now, but why sell at what has always been a bad time of the year. Farmers selling in june/july would've had higher cost and probably deserved that 30/40c extra they got

CloughCasey1

rangler1 wrote: »

Not my problem now, but why sell at what has always been a bad time of the year. Farmers selling in june/july would've had higher cost and probably deserved that 30/40c extra they got

so it's the farmers fault now

Willfarman

Fair point rangler but non the less we have conceded defeat to the beef barons and become price takers be it spring summer or winter.

rangler1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

so it's the farmers fault now

Get real, it's business...do you buy your inputs as cheap as you can.
Well beef processors are the same.
Farming's going nowhere at the moment, if there was no subsidies, farmers couldn't afford thee luxury of feeding cattle and the market would work, ie low prices curing low prices etc, but farmers are happy to let the BPS subsidise their beef enterprise, so low prices doesn't cause a reduction in supply

CloughCasey1

Willfarman wrote: »

Fair point rangler but non the less we have conceded defeat to the beef barons and become price takers be it spring summer or winter.

All the unions in the country have hard nosed campaigners fighting their corner. (I have my own business so unions wouldn't be my cup of tea). The teachers unions last week managed to put a spanner in the works for the government in relation to a change in the junior cert. Why oh why cannot farmers have elected representatives that actually can fight for their own instead of just of producing soundbites that sound good but have no back up. It's amazing really seeing that farming individually is one of the biggest industries in the country.

CloughCasey1

rangler1 wrote: »

Get real, it's business...do you buy your inputs as cheap as you can.
Well beef processors are the same.
Farming's going nowhere at the moment, if there was no subsidies, farmers couldn't afford thee luxury of feeding cattle and the market would work, ie low prices curing low prices etc, but farmers are happy to let the BPS subsidise their beef enterprise, so low prices doesn't cause a reduction in supply

Business is business I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't pay over the odds either for something I could get cheaper. But all the companies that I sub work from don't all come together and say "lads if we all come together and offer him a ****e price then he'll have no choice but to take what he is getting" that would be a price fix within the market I work in and I would call in the competition authority and there would be war!

rangler1

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

All the unions in the country have hard nosed campaigners fighting their corner. (I have my own business so unions wouldn't be my cup of tea). The teachers unions last week managed to put a spanner in the works for the government in relation to a change in the junior cert. Why oh why cannot farmers have elected representatives that actually can fight for their own instead of just of producing soundbites that sound good but have no back up. It's amazing really seeing that farming individually is one of the biggest industries in the country.

Unions can withdraw services, when farmers can do that we might have some clout.
I just said f..k this last year when the comp auth got involved.
Public service have this country destroyed. every day is a new story of mismanagement

Willfarman

rangler1 wrote: »

Get real, it's business...do you buy your inputs as cheap as you can.
Well beef processors are the same.
Farming's going nowhere at the moment, if there was no subsidies, farmers couldn't afford thee luxury of feeding cattle and the market would work, ie low prices curing low prices etc, but farmers are happy to let the BPS subsidise their beef enterprise, so low prices doesn't cause a reduction in supply

You are no longer a fighting farmer rangler.. You've lost the fire in the belly. The injustice of beef barons. The very term infuriates me.

This goes far beyond the beef farmer.
The engineering firms ,the marts ,the local tyre fitter ,the local electrician ,local feed mill ,local mechanic,

jobs incomes families viable rural economies not ffing beef baron with private jets and helicopters flying in and out of racecourses

rangler1

Willfarman wrote: »

You are no longer a fighting farmer rangler.. You've lost the fire in the belly. The injustice of beef barons. The very term infuriates me.

This goes far beyond the beef farmer.
The engineering firms ,the marts ,the local tyre fitter ,the local electrician ,local feed mill ,local mechanic,

jobs incomes families viable rural economies not ffing beef baron with private jets and helicopters flying in and out of racecourses

Yea you're right, winding down here more than forging ahead.
At least I had fire in the belly to lose, not like a lot

Cavanjack

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Agents will only look out for themselves. It's their job to source cattle for factories more so than looking after their loyal customers.

Of course they will. What nonsense from Burns. All the agents I know would screw me over a euro if they could and i believe they are all on a little bit of a power trip and love nothing more than going back to the factories and getting a pat on the head when telling them they are after sourcing cattle for 5 cent less.
So the IFA have resorted to asking the agents to help. No talk of the huge price difference between here and the UK (that was their gripe last year and Im sure that has increased).

patsy_mccabe

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

What's your reading on those figures patsy?

Well for the Export numbers, calves are down 16%, Stores down 59% :eek:, and weanlings down 46% for this year compared to last (Jan 1 to 12 Sept). There's going to be a lot of extra cattle in the country next year, all queuing to get in the factory gates.
In fairness, that's only one side of things. Just as important is the international demand where after all, 80% of our beef goes. Try figuring that one out. It could be anything from currency swings to drought to oil prices, all playing their own part.



Export Numbers
Year To Date - 143k
Last year - 192K

Factory numbers
Year To Date - 1,133k
Last year - 1,187K

locha

Quoted 3.90 for a load of Steers on the grid.

MfMan

locha wrote: »

Quoted 3.90 for a load of Steers on the grid.

Where's at?

locha

Cavan. Not sure what others are getting but for the man rolling in with his 4s and 5s in a jeep and trailer best I heard was 3.85.

MfMan

locha wrote: »

Cavan. Not sure what others are getting but for the man rolling in with his 4s and 5s in a jeep and trailer best I heard was 3.85.

Same as that. Trouble is, factories getting such a supply, they will only take 4/5s, won't entertain a full load at the moment unless you (or agent) are really well in with them.

Cassidy2

Any quotes for next week are they back 5 cent.or are they the same

CloughCasey1

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Any quotes for next week are they back 5 cent.or are they the same

Howya cass. Nice drop of rain on the way I think. Was grand to get a week dry all the same. Were ya watching the Irish match? Lets hope they were more focused on what is coming next week cos whatever about next week but the all blacks will hammer us if we play like that again. On the prices front they will probably either drop the 5c or else stay static. Depending on how bad this weather break is. But to be sure all the agents will be ringing lads saying, ya better offload them now sure as there is a talk of a 10c pull next week with the tail end of this hurricane heading straight for us at the weekend sure you'll have them housed and on silage and meal, and where will ya put all the weanlings ya bought if it doesn't improve after that. Typical run of the mill week coming id say. So did ya watch the match?

Cassidy2

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Howya cass. Nice drop of rain on the way I think. Was grand to get a week dry all the same. Were ya watching the Irish match? Lets hope they were more focused on what is coming next week cos whatever about next week but the all blacks will hammer us if we play like that again. On the prices front they will probably either drop the 5c or else stay static. Depending on how bad this weather break is. But to be sure all the agents will be ringing lads saying, ya better offload them now sure as there is a talk of a 10c pull next week with the tail end of this hurricane heading straight for us at the weekend sure you'll have them housed and on silage and meal, and where will ya put all the weanlings ya bought if it doesn't improve after that. Typical run of the mill week coming id say. So did ya watch the match?

Very good summary on both rugby and beef.i am going to Cardiff for the France match so I will have to off load a few to cover the trip

Willfarman

France are a big test now. Won't look beyond them yet.. But Australia are some outfit.

mf240

Fcuking rugby ..... yawn.

Factorys got them back well considering how scarce cattle are meant to be.

By the looks of an post the cheque mighten get to you for a few months!!

Cassidy2

mf240 wrote: »

Fcuking rugby ..... yawn.

Factorys got them back well considering how scarce cattle are meant to be.

By the looks of an post the cheque mighten get to you for a few months!!

Cattle are not scarce.COD

Willfarman

And the price is far from bad too. Fell from a fuppin dizzy height in fairness.

simx

bullocks 3.85 on grid
o&p cows 3.45
slaney

Willfarman

Anyone selling bullocks?

huey1975

I am. And you can have them at €4/kg

Willfarman

Grand. Feed em well and il collect in 6 weeks time....

CloughCasey1

huey1975 wrote: »

I am. And you can have them at €4/kg

And you'll get a big bouncy cheque from that lad!! ;-). May as well stick with the 3.85 from Larry. Bird in the hand and all that sorta thing.

huey1975

Got the text from the IFA. Steer base €3.90/€3.95. This time next year Rodney, we are going to be millionaires!!

tatoo

Cassidy2 wrote: »

Cattle are not scarce.COD

What's that ?

......Cash On Delivery ??

Base price

Well what do you know, the Dept have decided to apply a new grading formula to the VIA (Video Image Analysis) grading machines.

I wonder for how long have we been ripped off by the factories :mad:

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/a-new-beef-grading-formula-to-be-rolled-out-at-meat-plants/

huey1975

I have killed cattle in two factories this year. I found the grading to be markedly different. In one factory I had 7 of 11 grading U- or better. In the other, the best grade I had was 1 U- from 13. From the first load I thought I might have 5 Us and from the second load I was expecting 6 Us. From the second factory I had 5 bullocks grading 4+ which meant that I lost the 12c QA payment while in the othe factory, the fattest bullock graded 4-!!

dryan

Anyone plan to kill cattle this week? Best quote I could get for a few overage steers was 3:90 base. Midlands.

Nettleman

dryan wrote: »

Anyone plan to kill cattle this week? Best quote I could get for a few overage steers was 3:90 base. Midlands.

3.85 according to this as of this day last week.:(

http://icsaireland.ie/

Duke92

3.90 for steers and 4 for heifers in Waterford today

tellmeabit

What price you you get for 4yr old bull, he about 800kg, would you get same price as cull cow?

mayota

tellmeabit wrote: »

What price you you get for 4yr old bull, he about 800kg, would you get same price as cull cow?

Maybe €1200 in factory.

epfff

tellmeabit wrote: »

What price you you get for 4yr old bull, he about 800kg, would you get same price as cull cow?

800kgs finished 480*3=1440-stopages
800kgs not finished 400*3=1200-stopages

Worth alot more through ring imo

White Clover

epfff wrote: »

800kgs finished 480*3=1440-stopages
800kgs not finished 400*3=1200-stopages

Worth alot more through ring imo

Them heavy bulls only making 1.40 or 1.50 per kilo through the ring.

tellmeabit

Thanks guys. Might hold on to him another while and put some condition on him.

Willfarman

3.85 for blks. Am I being low balled?

simx

Willfarman wrote: »

3.85 for blks. Am I being low balled?

only heard one quote for blks last week and same as that in slaney

Duke92

Willfarman wrote: »

3.85 for blks. Am I being low balled?

Raped €4 to be got for numbers €3.95 the run for good regulars unless there over 36 or non quality assured

epfff

Duke92 wrote: »

Raped €4 to be got for numbers €3.95 the run for good regulars unless there over 36 or non quality assured

Where
385 all I can get too

ellewood

Duke92 wrote: »

3.90 for steers and 4 for heifers in Waterford today

Where In waterford ??

tatoo

Is the 3.90 a rise, or is that what it was last week as well?

locha

Was quoted 3.85 this week, got 3.90 on the grid. If I knew 4 was to be had....

Willfarman

3.85 is as much as could be got last week without travelling. 3.90 then but that's no use with paying Lorry and reduced kill out. The ifa are good buyers though. Quoting very well!!

Sell hard lads!

Duke92

Slaney and abp paid 3.90 to some certain ppl last week

kevthegaff

How do ye think cows price will go over the upcoming months? Good cows but not fat, mart/factory??

Willfarman

Duke92 wrote: »

Slaney and abp paid 3.90 to some certain ppl last week

Ah them lads have suits of armour. They are hardened sellers!