Mourinho vs Real Madrid

dor83

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And here's a wild card choice....what about a return to Inter?

He said last year that he will go back to Inter at some stage.

ironbluedun

what are the chances of him taking over after capello makes his exit in July?

Kirby

He's too big at the moment for a national side. I don't think his ego could take being ignored for 85% of the year anyway.

Warper

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I think Capello walked from Madrid the first time.

Didn't get sacked because they played very good football under him with an attacking trident of Raul, Suker and Mijatovic.

And here's a wild card choice....what about a return to Inter?

Capello got forced out due to his style of play. So what if they won the League, their method of playing was not suitable to the Madrid faithful as they were too defensive under Capello. He is a very conservative manager.

Warper

everdead.ie wrote: »

How much has mourinhio spent ar Real? I was under the impression that he's only added a few players ozil,carvalio and another couple. But he hasn't paid big money for anyone he has a good team there already.

I wonder actually have Barca spent more then real since he came? Because they tend to bring so many through the ranks they buy big like Ibrahimovic, villa and Fabergas

In fairness when you take over a team that has spent a few hundred millions the previous season you dont need to add to a squad like Real Madrid's. Their squad is the deepest in the World and is a great place for a club to pick up a bargain if you can afford the wages. Their squad is ridiculous and their B team would nearly win any league in Europe bar Spain.

Btw Del Bosque got the bullet after winning the CL. Top manager and he took it so gracefully even thanking the club for giving him the chance to manage them.

Pro. F

Warper wrote: »

Btw Del Bosque got the bullet after winning the CL. Top manager and he took it so gracefully even thanking the club for giving him the chance to manage them.

That's not graceful, that's servile! Jebus, it would make your stomach turn how much fawning there is for the Dictator's team in parts of Spanish society.

Auvers

Warper wrote: »

Capello got forced out due to his style of play. So what if they won the League, their method of playing was not suitable to the Madrid faithful as they were too defensive under Capello. He is a very conservative manager.

QFT

my wife is from Madrid and I am going there for 17 years, her whole family are Real fans, her brother and father are season ticket holders

I will never forget the amount of slagging Capello got for his conservative play in his first season

I also couldn't believe the level of animosity towards him even when they won the league and was very surprised he got another season

Pro. F wrote: »

for the Dictator's team.

love to hear you to say that in front of the Madrid fans I know

kryogen

Del Bosque is one of the best managers in the game and Madrid made a terrible decision when sacking him.

Pro. F

Auvers wrote: »

love to hear you to say that in front of the Madrid fans I know

Sure send me a PM and we can organise it.

CongoPowers

Nothing to do with Real Madrid, just Mourinho.

Apparently the European Gay and Lesbian Sports Federation have asked UEFA to take action against José for referring to some match officials as 'maricones' which is similar to f**gots in English. This is based on some TV footage apparently.

Will have to hear Mourinho's side to this story first obv.

I'd still be surprised if this true because like, wtf? :pac:

here's the video anyway. he says it in passing tbf, not in a malicious way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxVQkMYWoGY

pickarooney

Oh Jesus, not another 100 pages on how best to interpret a piece of Spanish slang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-Ct8J0LT0

CongoPowers

hahahaha he meant it in an endearing way

Nah, to be honest, it was just a horrible choice of words in front of a camera. He could have said loads of other words meaning the same thing to him. I wonder what UEFA's reply to this lesbian and gay organisation is though.

Iang87

Just wanna have this right........

If I call a gay person a faggót i'm a homophobe and gay and lesbian groups will bitch and moan about it.

If I call someone who isnt gay a faggót i'm a ????????? and gay and lesbian groups will bitch and moan about it.

CSF

Iang87 wrote: »

Just wanna have this right........

If I call a gay person a faggót i'm a homophobe and gay and lesbian groups will bitch and moan about it.

If I call someone who isnt gay a faggót i'm a ????????? and gay and lesbian groups will bitch and moan about it.

Yeah, not that confusing.

Iang87

fairly confusing. See I thought I could use the word ****** but apparently not at all.

CSF

Iang87 wrote: »

fairly confusing. See I thought I could use the word ****** but apparently not at all.

No. The use of derogatory terms for homosexuals as a term to indicate something bad, is fairly inappropriate.

That isn't to say everyone who does it is a blatant homophobe (it has developed into a nasty common social habit that people just see as normal) but still.

Iang87

I say it a lot without even thinking, even to one of my friends who is gay. He doesn't take offence.

Well thats another one off my words I was once allowed say list

CongoPowers

to be fair too, you're not saying it on tv as the manager of Real Madrid either.

this organisation has complained because Mourinho is setting a bad example basically. I'm surprised he doesn't know better than to use that word in front of a camera. Poor judgement more than anything.

CSF

Iang87 wrote: »

I say it a lot without even thinking, even to one of my friends who is gay. He doesn't take offence.

Well thats another one off my words I was once allowed say list

Your mate is hardly representative of the gay community at large to be fair.

Neil3030

The defence of "I didn't mean 'f****t' as in 'gay'" is not good enough, imo.

Even assuming the word has evolved from its original meaning, the reason people began using f****t as an insult was because the word meant gay and gay meant bad.

That mindset, i.e., gay=bad, is still very real in modern society, so even though you may not think you are being homophobic by using the word f****t, you are nonetheless contributing to a problem.

It's like when Chris Rock decided to stop doing his "Black People VS Ni***rs" piece, because it gave racists licence to use the word.

Iang87

CSF wrote: »

Your mate is hardly representative of the gay community at large to be fair.

not saying that just saying that not all gay people will take offence to a word.

Anyway no real argument to be had over it, just clearing up that the word cant be said at all in any case I find that part strange

Pro. F

Iang87 wrote: »

not saying that just saying that not all gay people will take offence to a word.

Anyway no real argument to be had over it, just clearing up that the word cant be said at all in any case I find that part strange

No, you are not just looking for clarification, you are complaining about it and implying that objections to the word are somehow unjustified.

If you genuinely only wanted clarification about it you would have just asked, but you didn't. Instead you started out with an antagonistic attitude, talking about about gay and lesbian groups ''bitching and moaning''.

If you read Neil's post you will see that it is quite simple and not strange at all.

Iang87

Pro. F wrote: »

No, you are not just looking for clarification, you are complaining about it and implying that objections to the word are somehow unjustified.

If you genuinely only wanted clarification about it you would have just asked, but you didn't. Instead you started out with an antagonistic attitude, talking about about gay and lesbian groups ''bitching and moaning''.

If you read Neil's post you will see that it is quite simple and not strange at all.

fair enough think what you like. Hopefully though all these groups will bring out a dictionary of things we can and cannot say. Really will help to clear up things.

As for Mourinho saying it, stupid saying it should have known the shítstorm someone in the public eye saying something like that would cause.

Imo its another example of political correctness gone mad in this world. But thats an opinion go on attack that

CongoPowers

Iang87 wrote: »

As for Mourinho saying it, stupid saying it should have known the shítstorm someone in the public eye saying something like that would cause.

agree.

Imo its another example of political correctness gone mad in this world. But thats an opinion go on attack that

disagree.

it's hardly mad that a gay and lesbian organisation is offended by someone as influential as Mourinho using a derogatory term for the people they support. also, even though loads of people use the word jokingly, it still is wrong. mostly because people still use it as to say gay = bad.

Anyway, José should just apologise and let this blow over. He's not a stupid guy, he should know how to deal with this.

Pro. F

Iang87 wrote: »

fair enough think what you like. Hopefully though all these groups will bring out a dictionary of things we can and cannot say. Really will help to clear up things.

All which groups? All the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocacy groups or all the advocacy groups for people who are different to you?

You don't need a special dictionary to know that a word like ''******'' is offensive. Try referring to any standard dictionary and you will see that society is clear on the issue. It is not complicated, you are pretending it is when it is not. You should ask yourself why you are doing that.

Iang87 wrote: »

Imo its another example of political correctness gone mad in this world. But thats an opinion go on attack that

People being offended by the use of a word specifically intended as an insult for gays is not political correctness gone mad.

Morzadec

Without getting into another Spanish language debate, for me 'maricon' is probably not as offensive as 'faggót' in English.

Maricon is probably more like queer/gay/bender/poofter. Faggót is probably a more hateful and homophobic word imo..

Not that it makes what Mourinho allegedly said defendable, but it's not quite as vicious as if he had said 'faggót' in English I think...

(Note: similar to the Suarez debate, you'll notice that 'faggót' gets blocked out on boards, while queer, bender etc.. are allowed, so that would show that it is a far worse term. The term Mourinho allegedly used is not as strong from my nderstanding of the word.

Fight_Night

This is stupid. Maricon does not equal '******' and the Spanish language is very very different to English in terms of swearing. Maricon is a fairly casual word, certainly wouldn't have the baggage that ****** would have in English.

But alas people will look for a reason to be outraged.

plasmaguy

Well, I think Rafa Benitez has made it his life's ambition to coach Real.

And he has the European Pedigree, so he might be the favourite to take over if Mourinho leaves.

Still think Mourhino is a better manager and Real would be mad to sack him if it came to that.

Iang87

Pro. F wrote: »

All which groups? All the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocacy groups or all the advocacy groups for people who are different to you?

You don't need a special dictionary to know that a word like ''******'' is offensive. Try referring to any standard dictionary and you will see that society is clear on the issue. It is not complicated, you are pretending it is when it is not. You should ask yourself why you are doing that.



People being offended by the use of a word specifically intended as an insult for gays is not political correctness gone mad.

My point about groups isnt for groups different to me but it seems there is always a group saying something is offensive. Be it gay and lesbian groups, traveller groups or race groups. I'm fully aware that theres no need to be making reference to any of these things when talking but 99% of people do.

The word faggót is offensive i'm not disputing that but its made even worse by people mounting a high horse anytime something is said. If I called a white guy a nígger I'd be laughed at so if I call a straight lad a ****** shouldn't the same principle apply but it doesn't. I mean historically they're both offensive words used to put people down of a certain race or way of life.

Anyway its pointless arguing about this cos we disagree strongly and we'll go in circles.

As for Mourinho will there be a punishment I doubt it he may get a poxy little fine but fining someone a few grand who makes millions is also pointless

CSF

Iang87 wrote: »

My point about groups isnt for groups different to me but it seems there is always a group saying something is offensive. Be it gay and lesbian groups, traveller groups or race groups. I'm fully aware that theres no need to be making reference to any of these things when talking but 99% of people do.

The word faggót is offensive i'm not disputing that but its made even worse by people mounting a high horse anytime something is said. If I called a white guy a nígger I'd be laughed at so if I call a straight lad a ****** shouldn't the same principle apply but it doesn't. I mean historically they're both offensive words used to put people down of a certain race or way of life.

Anyway its pointless arguing about this cos we disagree strongly and we'll go in circles.

As for Mourinho will there be a punishment I doubt it he may get a poxy little fine but fining someone a few grand who makes millions is also pointless

Apples and oranges. You cannot insinuate that a white man is black, realistically. You can however insinuate that a straight man is gay, and mock him as such, which is how the term is used most frequently, when men are deemed to have portrayed feminine tendencies.