New puppy owner - questions about when out of the house

SingItOut

peteb2 wrote: »

Oh plus guys I need to get more than one kong hollow chew toy but the choices in shops are bewildering as to what is suitable so please, any specific ideas are welcome !

They have kong toys in tescos, I got two for my dogs and their still surving. The have tiny ones which my Jack russel loves, also their not as expensive as similiar ones in pet shops

maxer68

Zulu wrote: »

Apologies peteb2, but I did read the whole thread. Perhaps you are being a little defensive.

Please reread my post.

If you read the BS post from andreac then you'd know why he was defensive.

If andreac has specialist knowledge in dog nutriction she should say so and then i'd take her bs with more tahn a pinch of salt, but the way she makes herself out so bloody righteous and then give her "opinion" on a well known and well respect brand of dog food, tells me she have little or no real knowledge about nutrition.

btw - i fee my pup with chicken, peas, rice mixture, the odd cat treat and some kibbles. she's just been neutered and the vet thought she was one of the healthiest pus she had seen for a long while (vet is 30+ years practicing)

so what does you BS say about the diet I feed the pup?

As for the OP, as the pup gets older, leave it on its own for 30 min, then build it up. According to the breeder (registered) who I got my pup from, you should eventually get 3 hours away without causing any distress and this can take up to a year to build up. We're 7 months on, and find about 2 hours is the limit at present and we ensure she has plenty of toys. - Though for next 10 days, she has 24/7 tlc, sleeps at the end of the bed with us and she hates her plastic collar.

Zulu

maxer68 wrote: »

If you read the BS post from...

I read the thread, and managed to contribute without personally attacking anyone or making an ad-hominem attack. Shame you couldn't manage the same.

peteb2

Ok let's all just stay off how long I leave my dog anywhere ! And let's all just be friends here. Leave Andreac alone here. I've kissed and made up with everyone !

Is it a reasonable thing to feed the dog three of the meals via a toy and then use the quantity of the fourth through out the day as treats to train her with?

Zulu

Treats should be considered in the dogs overall daily food alright.

andreac

Royal Canin causes major problems with my dogs and i have seen it cause problems with many other dogs that i know of, so i do have experience with it.

Just because its well known doesnt make it good, sure look at Pedigree, its one of the most well known foods out there, yet one of the worst things you can feed your dog when it comes to dog food, so go figure:rolleyes:.

Btw, its not my "opinion" on Royal Canin, its my first hand experience on what it has done to my dogs when they were fed it.

andreac

Peteb2, not sure if id feed all the meals by Kong, maybe just one. Its really only to keep her occupied when you are out, thats when i would use a Kong.

Other than that i would feed as normal from her bowl.

Bullseye1

I wouldn't rely on peoples experience when it comes to your dog. Every dog is individual and as long as your dog continues to thrive on what you are currently feeding continue what you are doing. While Royal Canine might not be suitable for every dog it does suit others.

andreac

Thats why i said i dont rate Royal Canin but it does suit some dogs

Bullseye1

Yeah but your a snob

andreac

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Yeah but your a snob

God, far from it :P I feed my dogs very good quality food, but Royal Canin and Hills have caused serious skin reactions with my dogs so i would never recommend them.

cordni

peteb2 wrote: »

I'll hold back here because I like using forums and dont intend to get banned. But the self righteous attitude in certain forums here is irritating. If I knew 100% what I was doing I wouldnt bother asking !! The vet weighed her and was told when she was fed and made no mention!

Research differs in every case with different answers . So if I believed everything I read I would not be here !!!

Hi OP, I have a 7 year old boxer whom I also got when she was six weeks old - at the time I also had a mature male boxer. My gorgeous pup has now grown into a very sociable adult dog who loves playing with all the neighbourhood dogs. Obviously I followed all the advice regarding vacinations and as per the vets advice she was fed 3 times a day. I also took her to puppy socialisation classes when she was about three / four months old - this I would definitely recommend, I think this really made a difference in how she interacts with other dogs. It sounds like you want to nothing but the best for your puppy and I wish you many years of joy, fun and happiness with her

star-pants

maxer68 No need to speak that way about others, I have already made an on thread warning about how people are to reply. If you have issue with a post, use the report post function. No one needs to reply to my post on thread.
Can we please get back on topic.

maxer68

andreac wrote: »

Royal Canin causes major problems with my dogs and i have seen it cause problems with many other dogs that i know of, so i do have experience with it.

Just because its well known doesnt make it good, sure look at Pedigree, its one of the most well known foods out there, yet one of the worst things you can feed your dog when it comes to dog food, so go figure:rolleyes:.

Btw, its not my "opinion" on Royal Canin, its my first hand experience on what it has done to my dogs when they were fed it.

But its an unqualified opinion purely do do with your own experience with your dogs.
If my wife ate meat, she'd get ill, but that doesn't mean meat is bad for anyone else.

Pedigree Chum is not bad for dogs, in the same way sausages & chicken nuggets are not bad for people. It may not have the best nutrition and may not be the best quality, but it can still be quite sufficient for many dogs to lead a happy life.

If people stopped the self righteous proclamations on this forum, it would be a hell of a better forum. Everyone has their different ways of feeding / looking after pets. Once the pet is happy & healthy there is no reason for posters to proclaim what is good / bad especially when they cannot see and have no knowledge of the pet in question.

Shanao

maxer68 wrote: »

But its an unqualified opinion purely do do with your own experience with your dogs.
If my wife ate meat, she'd get ill, but that doesn't mean meat is bad for anyone else.

Pedigree Chum is not bad for dogs, in the same way sausages & chicken nuggets are not bad for people. It may not have the best nutrition and may not be the best quality, but it can still be quite sufficient for many dogs to lead a happy life.

If people stopped the self righteous proclamations on this forum, it would be a hell of a better forum. Everyone has their different ways of feeding / looking after pets. Once the pet is happy & healthy there is no reason for posters to proclaim what is good / bad especially when they cannot see and have no knowledge of the pet in question.

As someone who has trained in canine and feline nutrition, I can back up what andreac says re Royal Canin. Royal Canin has maize as one of the main ingredients in it, dogs were not designed to digest maize, it is a filler nothing more. They also list animal proteins, which animals may I ask? Many of their products use pork, which quite a large amount of the canine population are allergic to including one of my own. Re Pedigree chum, it is a low quality food full of fillers, additives and colourings. The first ingredient is cereals, which of course our carnivorous dogs cannot digest very well. The minimum amount of meat required to be listed is 4%. So take the Chicken flavour. 4% chicken is listed on it. So what is the rest of the meat in it? Well its whatever meat was cheapest the week they were making that batch. One week it might be pork, next it might be beef. So if your dog has an allergic reaction to an ingredient, you have no way of knowing just which one. The meat used can also be from diseased animals, and though I'm not one to believe everything I read on the internet, there are quite a few reports of euthanised pets and roadkill being used in certain foods.

Feeding a lower quality diet increases the risk of diabetes, pancreatitis and the preservatives/chemicals use greatly increase the risks of cancers. Particularly the preservatives BHA and BHT, one of which is found in Royal Canin, and both of which are found in foods like Bakers.

Hellrazer

maxer68 wrote: »

If people stopped the self righteous proclamations on this forum, it would be a hell of a better forum. Everyone has their different ways of feeding / looking after pets. Once the pet is happy & healthy there is no reason for posters to proclaim what is good / bad especially when they cannot see and have no knowledge of the pet in question.

Star pants has already asked you to drop this.You can now have a one week ban from the forum.

peteb2

andreac wrote: »

Ok, well sure see what it says when you get home. Have you a local pet shop near you, like Petmania, Maxi Zoo or so on? They usually have a great range of pet foods.

Its Royal Canin Labrador / Retriever Junior 33. My local is Pet Stop in Airside in Swords.

If there's a better food let me know.

aisher

My puppy is now 9 months old - I fed her Beta puppy dry kibble when we first got it - I was told Beta is not a great quality food so gradually moved her to James Wellbeloved - what a disaster - she had runny poo for 2 weeks and we ended up back with Beta which seems to suit her just fine - Right now I feed her a mix of Beta and Nature Diet which is a 'wet' food - she loves it and since I can get many different Nature Diet flavours she has yet to turn her get bored. We did try and kong but she was not interested - the puppy size kong - but she was unable to get anything out - she would bury it in the garden so we stopped using it. Now if I leave her alone - I give her a walk (gets her to poo/pee) and then I can leave her on her own for 3/4 hours no problem - Good Luck with the Pup!

Salt001

Hey Pete just saw your pics of Roxie,she is so cute.
Its a life changing event getting a dog and its worth all the midnight trips to the back yard and the shedding all over the best rug,the sofa,the bed,the bath,your clothes .
Or maybe thats just our dog.
Anyway the very best of good luck to you all,you have years of happiness ahead
of you.

andreac

peteb2 wrote: »

Its Royal Canin Labrador / Retriever Junior 33. My local is Pet Stop in Airside in Swords.

If there's a better food let me know.

Is there a puppy version of that? As Junior would be for dogs slightly older so id recommend a puppy version instead.

Shanao

OP if you're going to continue with the Royal Canin, I'd reccommend Starter Maxi, could be called Mother and Babydog as well, cant remember right now. I've used it before for young foster pups as it has small kibbles and is easy on the stomach.

are you serious

6 pages in, seems like a good post... what have I missed??

If it means anything my Rotties love Royal Canin...!!

peteb2

Shanao wrote: »

OP if you're going to continue with the Royal Canin, I'd reccommend Starter Maxi, could be called Mother and Babydog as well, cant remember right now. I've used it before for young foster pups as it has small kibbles and is easy on the stomach.

I saw that. But didn't go with it because it more referred to bitches lactating. (god, i really dont like saying that! Sound like a rapper!!) And the person in the shop said to go with the breed specific one.

andreac

peteb2 wrote: »

I saw that. But didn't go with it because it more referred to bitches lactating. (god, i really dont like saying that! Sound like a rapper!!) And the person in the shop said to go with the breed specific one.

I would highly recommend a younger puppy one over the breed specific one. You can always change onto the breed specific when the pup gets a bit older, but right now, your pup needs a lot more than the breed specific food, the baby dog, starter etc is def more beneficial for ehr at this age.

runawaybishop

Shanao wrote: »

As someone who has trained in canine and feline nutrition, I can back up what andreac says re Royal Canin. Royal Canin has maize as one of the main ingredients in it, dogs were not designed to digest maize, it is a filler nothing more. They also list animal proteins, which animals may I ask? Many of their products use pork, which quite a large amount of the canine population are allergic to including one of my own. Re Pedigree chum, it is a low quality food full of fillers, additives and colourings. The first ingredient is cereals, which of course our carnivorous dogs cannot digest very well. The minimum amount of meat required to be listed is 4%. So take the Chicken flavour. 4% chicken is listed on it. So what is the rest of the meat in it? Well its whatever meat was cheapest the week they were making that batch. One week it might be pork, next it might be beef. So if your dog has an allergic reaction to an ingredient, you have no way of knowing just which one. The meat used can also be from diseased animals, and though I'm not one to believe everything I read on the internet, there are quite a few reports of euthanised pets and roadkill being used in certain foods.

Many dog foods have maize in them. Maize isnt so difficult to digest if cooked and ground up. It is clearly a filler though.

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/dog-food-corn/

As a whole grain, corn is not easily digestible. Unless the kernel is first refined into a meal or a flour (and then cooked), corn can be very difficult for a dog to digest.

While dogs are indeed weighted towards being carnivores they do have omnivorous tendencies going back as far as the original wolf stock (wolves eating berries video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmuYTb6ynbg0

With regards to the meat content - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4nZKP-h-Bk

Datsit

OP,
I hope you don't mind me asking a specific question. I recently got a german shepherd pup so will be following thhis thread. But this question is for someone else.

Andreac...What would you feed a 9 week old rottweiler.

Should it be left with it's mother longer than 9 weeks.
Breeder want's it taken at 9 weeks and person taking pup to get last shots himself. Seems odd to me. All vet certs, papers coming with pup.

I ask as I see on line you are involved with this breed.

How and when do you start socialising them.

ISDW

Datsit wrote: »

OP,
I hope you don't mind me asking a specific question. I recently got a german shepherd pup so will be following thhis thread. But this question is for someone else.

Andreac...What would you feed a 9 week old rottweiler.

Should it be left with it's mother longer than 9 weeks.
Breeder want's it taken at 9 weeks and person taking pup to get last shots himself. Seems odd to me. All vet certs, papers coming with pup.

I ask as I see on line you are involved with this breed.

How and when do you start socialising them.

I know you're specifically asking Andrea, but 9 weeks is fine, and it is usual that the pup goes after the first shots, and has the second set at the new home.

Datsit

ISDW wrote: »

I know you're specifically asking Andrea, but 9 weeks is fine, and it is usual that the pup goes after the first shots, and has the second set at the new home.

Cool thanks

Peteb2,
Maybe we'll be able to track each others training etc, as I have the gsd and my friend is getting the rottie.

andreac

Datsit wrote: »

OP,
I hope you don't mind me asking a specific question. I recently got a german shepherd pup so will be following thhis thread. But this question is for someone else.

Andreac...What would you feed a 9 week old rottweiler.

Should it be left with it's mother longer than 9 weeks.
Breeder want's it taken at 9 weeks and person taking pup to get last shots himself. Seems odd to me. All vet certs, papers coming with pup.

I ask as I see on line you are involved with this breed.

How and when do you start socialising them.

9 weeks is perfectly fine to be taken. Anytime from 8 weeks is ok for a larger breed.
The person buying the pup will always get the last round of vaccinations done as they usually arent due until they are 10 weeks or more, depending on when they were started. Just make sure you get the vaccination card from the breeder so the vet knows when they were started.

I would start socialising as soon as possible, but i would wait until the vaccinations are all sorted first. The bring your pup to meet as many people and dogs as possible and to all different surroundings.

I highly suggest puppy training classes too and the earlier the better.
Regarding food, i currently feed Clinivet and my dogs are in fab condition. I dont recommend Royal Canin or Hills as both foods have caused problems with my rotties and other rotties i know of so maybe stay away from those foods.

peteb2

And jumping back in the mother and baby stuff says that for maxi puppies under 2 months. Poo consistency at the mo seems runny and I wonder whether it's the treats we have been using to toilet train her or the food!